Sidebar Discussion #8

[Ricki]

Thanks, Ricki!
I knew this woman was full of cr*p...but can't believe the extent to which she lied. OMG...this still gets me so upset.

I feel like we are reliving the trial. Ugh

 

[SallyLu]

Good Morning fellow Websleuthers!

Another day to discover and detail the dastardly deeds of one "author" and one felon.

I hope you uncover the gem of all gems today and make the years of searching for justice for Caylee end with peace for our little one.

Thank you for all you do.

 

[bayouland]

Good Morning Everyone!!!

 

[TotallyObsessed]

But...that's not what she said initially...and I could pretty much swear to that (police interview?). She DID NOT know what day it was. So...somewhere along the way, she became aware that it was the 16th?? How many times did this woman perjure herself?

That is what I remember also. I think it was from a deposition. And I think her co-workers corroborated the fact that it was much, much earlier. Debbie P maybe? No way am I going back to read that crapo though!:floorlaugh:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Bolded by me........

How many times did she answer a question? There's your answer.

Enough to be prosecuted. But evidently in Florida perjures get a pass. It seems to be "acceptable" for perps' family member to lie because...you know, they sympathize with their loved ones. STILL MAKES ME PUKE.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

That is what I remember also. I think it was from a deposition. And I think her co-workers corroborated the fact that it was much, much earlier. Debbie P maybe? No way am I going back to read that crapo though!:floorlaugh:

03-21-2010, 06:01 PM
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Debbie Bennett Interview with LE....Pool Discussion on page 13. States that a few days before the gas can incident that CA told her that she came home and let the dogs out and was worried they would get out.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974353/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974353/detail.html

sleutherontheside, I'm going to type out the conversation as this is significant - great find. Page 13 and 14. Yuri talking to Debbie B. who is CA's coworker at Gentiva. Interview on November 24, 2008.

Y - Did she seek counseling in June or July?

DB - says she found out when the daughter had been gone a week or so and she was missing her daughter from that point on. And then the gas can situation, where she had thought someone swimming in her pool.

DB - I think that was around Father's Day I want to say, yeah. Ah...

Y - The gas can incident was...I'll tell you that that was the 23rd of June.

DB - Oh okay.

Y - So, that was right at the end of June.

DB - Okay

Y - You mentioned something about the pool and so I want to touch on that.

DB - Yeah. Yeah.

Y - You said she, she told you. . .

DB - She came into work that day and said that she thought someone was swimming in her pool. And I looked at her and said, that's what people do is swim in the pool. And she goes no you don't understand someone's been in the pool but I haven't been home. And I said what makes you think that? And she said she came home one day and I guess the side gate was open 'cause she lets her dogs out.

Y - Un-huh (affirmative)

DB - and I guess the dogs started to go out and she was worried she was gonna lose her dogs. And then um, the ladder was off the pool and it's an above ground pool. And she said she always takes the ladder off and puts it away from the pool so that the child doesn't get in the pool.

Y - When did this conversation take place in relationship to the gas can incident? Was it before or after do you remember?

DB - Before because then I found out I want to say that was one day and then a couple of days later then she came back and said someone's been in my yard again. Someone's been in our shed George is calling the police ..


Cindy tells Debbie the morning of June 23 about the gas cans because that was the day that GA called the police. Does that mean that the gas cans were noticed missing on June 22? Or did GA call CA at work and tell her this in the AM on the 23rd? (I know this has been sleuthed because KC shows up later at the house with the gas cans on the 23rd and it is believed that CA tipped KC off which doesn't make much sense to me). Did we ever determine how CA knew that the gas cans were missing considering she leaves for work early in the morning? Or is GA building a case/trail for yard invasion? Why did GA later report to LE how he found the cans in KC's trunk later that day on the 23rd but he never called LE to tell them that when he did.

The SIGNIFICANT thing is that Debbie was able to recall that the ladder/gate story took place BEFORE June 23rd which is consistent with what CA has reported. DB doesn't confirm the day as June 17 though. Debbie would have likely heard about the ladder on June 18 if the ladder/gate observation took place on June 17 as per CA. That would be a full week earlier than gas can day.* :waitasec:

*Noting, I'm happy Debbie recalls that the ladder incident took place BEFORE the gas can incident considering she is being asked questions about her conversations with Cindy five months after they took place.


ADDING: http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...y_burglary.pdf
I copied the above as it appears in the Docs. The gas can report is dated June 24, 2008. Proof as per linked copy here.
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Maybe KC was in the yard and needed to wash off the smell of decomposition and did not want to do it in the house, started to drag out the ladder then changed her mind and drug over the container instead. No reason the put the ladder away as she knew Caylee was not coming home. JMO
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Originally Posted by Woe.be.gone [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4959612#post4959612"]

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Debbie Bennett Interview with LE....Pool Discussion on page 13. States that a few days before the gas can incident that CA told her that she came home and let the dogs out and was worried they would get out.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974353/detail.html


The 23rd is the day that Casey actually took the gas cans. The 24th is the day George noticed and called the police (and later that day Casey returned the *advertiser censored**ing cans).

The only day that fits Debbie's recollection that Pool Ladder Day was shortly before the day that George called the police about the gas cans--and also fits George's recollection that he learned of the pool ladder incident during a phone call with Cindy shortly after she got home and while he was at work at Security Forces--is June 23.

6/23 George got 2 calls on his cell FROM Cindy at 5:23 pm and 5:24 pm. George's recollection was that he had learned of the pool ladder situation when HE called Cindy, but perhaps this is not such a big discrepancy.

I had assumed that Cindy was not at the house at 5:23 pm when she called George, because she called the house phone at 5:21 pm (then Casey's cell phone at 5:22 pm) before calling George. But I suppose she could have hit the wrong speed dial for Casey and accidentally called the house. It really doesn't make much sense for her to have been calling the house phone otherwise, as she would have thought no one was home.

After the 2 calls to George, Cindy again called Casey. After trading calls a couple of times, she eventually spoke to Casey for 11 minutes at 5:35 pm.

At 5:50 pm, Cindy called her mother (Shirley P) from the house phone for 4 minutes, so she was definitely at the house by then.

I'm starting to think the 23rd was Pool Ladder Day, which would mean that Casey left the pool ladder up and the gate open on the same day that she and Tony broke open the shed to get the gas cans. But Tony said nothing about Casey using the pool for anything that day.... :waitasec:
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[logicalgirl]

IIRC George in his state depo said that Cindy called him on the evening of June 24th while he was in a job interview and asked about the ladder and the open gate, Some where in there I think Cindy told to co workers about it also.

That was the same day that George went to mow his lawn and found that his shed broken into and the gas cans missing and made a police report.

Yes, this is how I remember it - and I also believe this was one of her whoppers she told at trial - she conveniently moved to "remembering" to the 16th...probably something she cooked up with Baez - because had she resported it as such three years before - the drowning theory would have come forward long before the O/S.

 

[chckmate22]

after reading all the dribble from the parts of the book and listening to foghorn about celebrating "ITS" victory instead of the 4th of July...why doesn't anyone....anyone(hello talking heads) do an interview with the real "other" vicitms of "ITS" string of terror...from Jesse Amy Ricardo..and the list goes on and on...let them make some $$ for what they were put through since poor lil Caylee cannot.....IMHO

 

[logicalgirl]

So, you do think that Cindy had a heavy hand in the defense's strategy?

I am way behind in commentlng with you - I don't know if CA is sharp enough to have led the way in the defese, but I do think Baez bent and twisted her any way he wanted to with threats of FCA getting a death sentence.

 

[nerdy]

Hi Nerdy:seeya: great to see you again!

And yes, I definitely remember you from the trial days. A lot of folks didn't make it back after ther verdict - just didn't have the heart for it. And some of us have trickled back, still searching for justice for Caylee in any way we can.

Stick around and visit for awhile! Have a thwartcake and make yourself at home! :cupcake:

Thanks, logicalgirl! Thwartcakes, my favorite! :woohoo:

Over time, I've come to be of the mind that being stuck being themselves is probably the ultimate justice for this crew. It's not what I would have liked to see happen, but in the end, the world sees through them. All the payoffs in the world aren't ever going to give any of them anything valuable. Friends, respect, family, self-acceptance, integrity - many millionaires find out that no amount of wealth compares to the ability to love and be loved.

JB seems to want the approval the most, and the more he talks, the worse it gets. I almost feel sorry for him! KC and the rest of her crew, well - good luck with that. I travelled a lot this past year since the verdict for work and there aren't really a lot of people giving much of a thought to this matter overall. Many many people outside the US have no clue who she is. Even IN the US, as I've brought up a few anecdotes, I find people have to be reminded of the details outside of "oh yeah HER! Can't believe she got off." They can put on their little show and dance for now, but unlike OJ who was an icon BEFORE his crimes - KC doesn't have anything else to capture our interest. A reality show with her would be akin to watching paint dry! Careful what you wish for there KC, because knowing too much about you is going to convince the world they want even LESS to do with you! The most hilarious thing about all this to me is they can't recognize they got LUCKY and they actually think it had something to do with righteousness or talent? Man know when to exit on a high note! Even George Costanza grasped that concept. :what:

Whew ok felt good to get that out! Hope you all are having a wonderful weekend and I look forward to any more hilarious connections that can be found!

 

[logicalgirl]

Thanks, logicalgirl! Thwartcakes, my favorite! :woohoo:

Over time, I've come to be of the mind that being stuck being themselves is probably the ultimate justice for this crew. It's not what I would have liked to see happen, but in the end, the world sees through them. All the payoffs in the world aren't ever going to give any of them anything valuable. Friends, respect, family, self-acceptance, integrity - many millionaires find out that no amount of wealth compares to the ability to love and be loved.

JB seems to want the approval the most, and the more he talks, the worse it gets. I almost feel sorry for him! KC and the rest of her crew, well - good luck with that. I travelled a lot this past year since the verdict for work and there aren't really a lot of people giving much of a thought to this matter overall. Many many people outside the US have no clue who she is. Even IN the US, as I've brought up a few anecdotes, I find people have to be reminded of the details outside of "oh yeah HER! Can't believe she got off." They can put on their little show and dance for now, but unlike OJ who was an icon BEFORE his crimes - KC doesn't have anything else to capture our interest. A reality show with her would be akin to watching paint dry! Careful what you wish for there KC, because knowing too much about you is going to convince the world they want even LESS to do with you! The most hilarious thing about all this to me is they can't recognize they got LUCKY and they actually think it had something to do with righteousness or talent? Man know when to exit on a high note! Even George Costanza grasped that concept. :what:

Whew ok felt good to get that out! Hope you all are having a wonderful weekend and I look forward to any more hilarious connections that can be found!

Great to see you post your opinion and found it even more refreshing to listen to someone who has been out there in the "fresh air". Agree with you they should consider themselves very very lucky and get out of dodge and STFU! Baez is making a joke of himself all over again. It is pathetic...

 

[bayouland]

IIRC George in his state depo said that Cindy called him on the evening of June 24th while he was in a job interview and asked about the ladder and the open gate, Some where in there I think Cindy told to co workers about it also.

That was the same day that George went to mow his lawn and found that his shed broken into and the gas cans missing and made a police report.

JMO - I think the pool ladder date was 6/23 based on Cindy talking to George twice around 5pm that day. This is the same day that Casey and Tony broke open the shed to get the gas cans that were reported missing on the 24th. George had said in his depo that he learned about the ladder from Cindy's phone call.

JMO.

ETA: Ooops, I see that the timeline about this is posted above......sorry for the duplicate.

 

[bayouland]

I'm watching GVS now and am quite amused that Baez thinks Casey has an IQ of almost 120. No way, Jose!
Can someone please tell me...did CA state the pool ladder incident occurred on June 16th?

I am equally amused.

Giving the cops a verbal and written statement saying she left her daughter at an unoccupied apartment while she went to work at Universal........all things easily proved to be false....doesn't sound like someone that has an IQ of < > 120 to me.

 

[zoey]

Can you explain why you think that is? I mean he was one of the prosecutors of the case that a verdict was reached on a year ago today. Wouldn't they want to interview him if his schedule allows? Or was that an attempt at somehow making Jeff Ashton appear to be on the same very low level as Jose Baez and Cheney Mason?

I applaud not only Jeff Ashton but every single person that was on CAYLEE'S side for the past 4 years. Jose Baez? Yea, he can rot.

If I have the timing right, I think that she used the phantom note as an excuse to abruptly leave the Church property. By then she had worn out their welcome mat and was abusing their hospitality - she was ready to move on to somewhere with some night life...

Or continue on playing victim

 

[logicalgirl]

More carp from Radaronline today but I see they are now actively digging at the cracks in FCA's "stories"....Look out Baez - give it a couple of more weeks and it's going to be you the media is chasing, and not for the reasons you'd hoped....IMO

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/casey-anthony-hid-out-nyc-after-acquittal

this is the first time I've seen rol insert some "actual" along with Baez's bs stories...

 

[logicalgirl]

ZsaZsa - didn't she just leave the church property this spring? I don't think the post-it note "eviction" note was at the church - I believe she went from whereever she was..to the church at that time. Or...that was just a set up whooey that didn't happen at all.....

 

[Baily]

I am equally amused.

Giving the cops a verbal and written statement saying she left her daughter at an unoccupied apartment while she went to work at Universal........all things easily proved to be false....doesn't sound like someone that has an IQ of < > 120 to me.

In the same interview he referred to her as "refined" and "articulate". I guess that means she brings her own toilet paper when she pees in the parking lot :what:

 

[krkrjx]

ZsaZsa - didn't she just leave the church property this spring? I don't think the post-it note "eviction" note was at the church - I believe she went from whereever she was..to the church at that time. Or...that was just a set up whooey that didn't happen at all.....

Was that church propery in or near Pt. St. Lucie? I don't even remember anymore. But if it was, I could consider that when it had to come back to FL for probation, it was housed at the church property then. IOW, that had been her only hiding place once she came back to FL, and the post-it-note thing didn't really happen but even if there was some kind of threat at that time she still wasn't moved. I think the whisking away in the dead of night to save her life was all hooey--designed to get sympathy so she wouldn't have to appear in person in court.

I recall reading a rumor that it had been seen in the Pt. St. Lucie area quite some time before it was outed in that location. So, IMO, it could have been there the whole time. I think it left this past spring, due to some disagreement with the church guy, or maybe just out of boredom from having been there for months.

Of course, if the church hidey place is not in the St. Lucie area, please ignore the above.

It's all about publicity for "it." It was then and it is now. If its keepers want it to be left alone and people to stop hating it, they need to shut up, and to stop dropping hints of sightings or that it has a story to tell. Because, it has already told too many stories; we don't need to hear more.

 

[com n sense]

Tnis is osomething sensational that I have never heard of before... Please share what even made you fathom to come up with vomt and blood on the bed? Was this in the book? Or if not, where is this idea from?

Thinking back & if I'm off about anything here peeps, jump in please
Way back at the beginning of this case Cindy had a tv interview with Greta???? I think, if not it was a lady interviewer. If I'm not mistaken CA was very drugged at the time. She showed this lady around her home, inside & out. She took her to Caylee's room & I have no idea why, but she mentioned she washed Caylee's sheets. I was suspicious as I know many others were also.
My thoughts were that Caylee was murdered in her bed! I have always felt that this wasn't just a knock her out & duct tape her kind of murder. Unfortunately for Caylee I think she suffered more then any of us know. This is all JMO but I think Caylee did alot of screaming & vomiting that day. Cindy washed the sheets & bedding & put them back on her bed - so she told this lady anyway. If there was blood on Caylee's sheets it would have most likely stained & CA would have got rid of them as fast as she could. Vomit washes out with out staining most of the time. My thoughts were always that what ever was on those sheets that CA had to wash so quickly did not stain them.

 

[com n sense]

I am loving this!!!! WE HAVE PUT THE FOCUS BACK WHERE IT SHOULD BE. This was not in Baez's plan ...tee hee hee.