Sidebar Discussion #9

[JWG]

I think you mean the prosecution, and I agree.

I am mixed on this, because the June 16 timeline was complicated to present if Casey never took the stand. It required one or more computer forensic experts as well as one or more cell phone experts to piece together the timeline, and would have probably taken a couple of days to present which we could all summarize in 15 minutes. Given the lack of intellectual curiosity of the jury, they likely would have checked out after the qualifications of the first witness were established.

There is a couple hour gap in the cell phone and computer history (that we know of) during the late morning hours of that morning that could be used to claim the drowning happened. Jose's opening statement was not evidence, so that gap could have been melded to fit his story.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I am mixed on this, because the June 16 timeline was complicated to present if Casey never took the stand. It required one or more computer forensic experts as well as one or more cell phone experts to piece together the timeline, and would have probably taken a couple of days to present which we could all summarize in 15 minutes. Given the lack of intellectual curiosity of the jury, they likely would have checked out after the qualifications of the first witness were established.

There is a couple hour gap in the cell phone and computer history (that we know of) during the late morning hours of that morning that could be used to claim the drowning happened. Jose's opening statement was not evidence, so that gap could have been melded to fit his story.

So glad to see you here again!!!!!

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Baez probably felt it was worth the risk to take - assisting CA to commit perjury to raise doubt with this jury....in a sense throwing CA under the bus along with all the folks she threw under there....
Kind of funny actually...:waitasec: ...no, not really - just speaks to how low he'd go...

I just posted on the Should Cindy be Prosecuted for Perjury thread that I thought her lies (combined with the incompetence of the P12) was pivotal in the acquittal. Now I'm convinced both Jose and Cindy should be prosecuted!

 

[com n sense]

I think Cindy originally said she went to Universal late in the afternoon/ evening of June 24th and called Casey from the parking lot to see Caylee and Casey told her she already gone back to Tampa. She'd just came back to Orlando to get Zanny insurance ID and then went right back up. The same day George made the police report and Casey showed up with the gas cans. Casey told George said she had already talked to Cindy that day and she may have but I took it be like when Casey told 911 that Caylee had just called her that very day.

Casey said Zanny drove a plain Ford Fiesta. I wonder what Amy rented to go and pick up her new car? Could it of been a plain Ford Fiesta? Kinda like Zanny driving an older reddish car before the wreck? and the color of Amy's new car .

I think I remember Tony L. in the ride around said that on the day they took the gas cans that he had a friend call that needed him to come get him. He'd been in a wreck and broken his arm. It was the same day Zanny had her wreck and broke her arm.

Also Casey's car ran out of gas at the corner of Anthony and Killen. Tony said a man was out working on a truck when they pulled up.

Yes she did, you are correct. However there were 2 stories concerning Juliet.
One happened when Caylee was a wee toddler & the other happened when she was all ready murdered.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

Baez probably felt it was worth the risk to take - assisting CA to commit perjury to raise doubt with this jury....in a sense throwing CA under the bus along with all the folks she threw under there....
Kind of funny actually...:waitasec: ...no, not really - just speaks to how low he'd go...

It sure does show his lack of ethic's..... as if we didnt all ready know he had none.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I am mixed on this, because the June 16 timeline was complicated to present if Casey never took the stand. It required one or more computer forensic experts as well as one or more cell phone experts to piece together the timeline, and would have probably taken a couple of days to present which we could all summarize in 15 minutes. Given the lack of intellectual curiosity of the jury, they likely would have checked out after the qualifications of the first witness were established.

There is a couple hour gap in the cell phone and computer history (that we know of) during the late morning hours of that morning that could be used to claim the drowning happened. Jose's opening statement was not evidence, so that gap could have been melded to fit his story.

Your presence here tonight is terrific! :fireworks: So, so pleased to "see" you again!

So what did you think of the book and do you think Jose has finally said enough to put his own neck in the noose? (My hope!)

 

[JWG]

Your presence here tonight is terrific! :fireworks: So, so pleased to "see" you again!

So what did you think of the book and do you think Jose has finally said enough to put his own neck in the noose? (My hope!)

Thanks, EU, as Bond and I so affectionately referred to you in the past.

I was not aware of a Baez book, so I have not read it. Some issues with the June 16 timeline were brought to my attention, which is why I was poking around WS. I'd love to get my hands on the original harddrives and spend a few weeks going through them, settling things once and for all. The OPD just did not have the time or resources to spend on a single case fishing. If I had the drive, I have the time to fish.

 

[sleutherontheside]

One of the things I find most satisfying about the "book" promotion......seeing JB sandwiched between tabloidesque stories.

An aside..... this morning, Kidd Kraddick referred to KC on his syndicated morning show as that girl that killed her kid. LOVED IT!!!!

 

[Pattymarie]

I am mixed on this, because the June 16 timeline was complicated to present if Casey never took the stand. It required one or more computer forensic experts as well as one or more cell phone experts to piece together the timeline, and would have probably taken a couple of days to present which we could all summarize in 15 minutes. Given the lack of intellectual curiosity of the jury, they likely would have checked out after the qualifications of the first witness were established.

There is a couple hour gap in the cell phone and computer history (that we know of) during the late morning hours of that morning that could be used to claim the drowning happened. Jose's opening statement was not evidence, so that gap could have been melded to fit his story.

I noted that 2hr late morning time gap and agree that could be twisted in to fit with the drowning, even though they showed no evidence of a drowning (and then they would have to go there) other than the contrived pictures supplied by Cindy at the end of the trial which proved nothing. But her afternoon texts show that she is texting with Tony, Jesse, Amy, etc as if nothing is amiss. But, yeah, the dot-connecting with all the other evidence which clearly demonstrates guilt beyond a reasonable doubt would require some careful study and thought by the jurors.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

Did Jose happen to mention exactly what time of day this drowning/George presenting dead Caylee to Casey incident occured? As in, where does it fit in this timeline of June 16? Casey was supposed to have been in a deep sleep before George came in, right?

12:54 am Casey finishes up an 80-minute phone call with Tony
1:05-1:54 am Casey texting back and forth with Tony
3:08-3:22 am Casey on the phone with Tony
7:54 am Someone calls Casey's phone from the house landline-goes to voicemail
7:56-8:06 am Casey happily IM'ing/flirting with Alex (sorry JB, not buying that this was George--see transcript a couple of posts up), so I assume the "incident" was after this.

8:45 am Casey texts Tony
<No time for a deep sleep here, IMO>

11:47 am-12:06 pm Casey on the phone with Tony
12:55 pm Casey exchanges texts with Tony
1:00-1:14 pm Casey on the phone with Tony
1:26 pm Casey exchanges texts with Jesse
1:44-2:20 pm Casey on the phone with Amy
2:52-3:04 pm Casey on the phone with Jesse

George was at work by 3:00 pm, and tried to call Casey from his cell phone at 3:04 pm, so I guess the "incident" must have happened before that.

Ok but there is more computer..
According to JB's book it says that the computer records show KC was on the computer from 9:00 to 10:59 pm on facebook and myspace.
so that only leaves 48 mins.. before her phone call to tony..

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Thanks, EU, as Bond and I so affectionately referred to you in the past.

I was not aware of a Baez book, so I have not read it. Some issues with the June 16 timeline were brought to my attention, which is why I was poking around WS. I'd love to get my hands on the original harddrives and spend a few weeks going through them, settling things once and for all. The OPD just did not have the time or resources to spend on a single case fishing. If I had the drive, I have the time to fish.

Yep, I wish you could get your hands on them, too! The computer forensics people that the prosecution relied upon really did the prosecution a disservice. I was embarrassed for them all! They should have just subpoenaed you and Bond! Caylee would have had a better chance at finding justice then.

Nevertheless, the quest for Caylee's justice goes on. Baez has published several lies in his quest to gain more financial gain through his newly released book. We're (I guess) trying to figure out the best way to circumvent that from happening. As usual, I am only cheerleading.

But you, my friend, any ideas?

 

[atthelake]

illowfight:

Off to bed - here is a blast from the past thread - Bloopers and catch phrases from the trial for a little late night levity. Enjoy reminiscing..........for those that can remember our laughter at the time.......!

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136547"]Link to Websleuths thread of Trial Catch Phrases/Bloopers/Blunders[/ame]

 

[okiedokietoo]

sorry to charnge subjects but I have a little question:
I can't tell if Richard Grund's case against AMERICAN MEDIA INC DBA THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER was dismissed, and now he is appealing or vice versa?

http://www.mypalmbeachclerk.com/courtrecords.aspx
Civil Record Search - thru disclaimer etc to record # 502011CA015526XXXXMB

And on
http://www.4dca.org/opinions.shtml
Florida Fourth District Court of Appeal Docket
Case Docket - Case Number: 4D12-1880

Oh guess so - figured it out all by my little self...I think.

 

[nerdy]

JB's like the bad guy at the climax of a movie who has to tell exactly how he tricked the protagonist, because his narcissism won't let him merely carry out his evil plan - he must subject everyone to ever excruciating detail of his *cough* "genius".

Except.. that part is usually the antagonist's undoing. Pride goeth before a fall and all. hmmm...

(All JMO!)

 

[sleutherontheside]

2 days ago......This is hilarious!!!!! What a "professional" interview. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXCPvXnPBU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXCPvXnPBU[/ame]

They indicate that the book had to come out very quickly. It takes about a year to go from aquisition to publishing.

 

[TorisMom003]

2 days ago......This is hilarious!!!!! What a "professional" interview. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXCPvXnPBU

They indicate that the book had to come out very quickly. It takes about a year to go from aquisition to publishing.

Oh my. I have only gotten into the first 50 seconds of this video and I am already rolling my eyes. Benbella publishes "intelligent non-fiction" books? Did none of them read Jose's? It is neither intelligent nor non-fiction.

MOO

 

[nerdy]

2 days ago......This is hilarious!!!!! What a "professional" interview. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

They indicate that the book had to come out very quickly. It takes about a year to go from aquisition to publishing.

Wow I wonder what makes a publishing house decide to go tabloid? 10 years building their reputation and they attached it to scandal. Interesting to put a face to the people who allowed this to happen. I'm looking for a publisher and I know I'll never ever consider Benbella due to their associations!

And no, not a professional interview at all! At least it was well-lit? :waitasec:

 

[AZlawyer]

Ok Ill try lol..
I have a kindle so no actual page numbers..

at Location 4153 (53%thru the book) chapter 16 named *the Prosecution's evidence was garbage"

Jose says.. "Casey who was twenty_two at the tie, told me she had no idea in the world what chloroform was, but after seeing her boyfriends post about chloroform, she searched onine for chloroform to find out what Morales was talking about"


In chaper 30 "destroying the fantasy"
He starts at location 6864
He talks about calling cindy to the stand.
he stated
*this is a perfect opportunity for me to do two things: one continue to cast reasonable doubt on these searchs: and two get linda Burdick to attack her best witness cindy.

*** we got cindy up on the stand and cindy testified she had made the searches**

He did this knowing that cindy would like .. he talked about knowing in her depo she had claimed to be the one that made the searches...


I just cant see how this is legal.

I think if you know the person is going to lie, but your purpose is to then decimate the lie to show what a liar she is and that she cannot be believed, it is not subornation of perjury. I can't say I've ever researched the issue, but I know I do this all the time and my ethics "spider senses" do not go off.

But it sounds like JB is admitting that one purpose for eliciting this testimony was in hopes that the jury would believe Cindy ("to cast reasonable doubt on these searches") and that sounds pretty subornation-of-perjury-ish to me.

I am mixed on this, because the June 16 timeline was complicated to present if Casey never took the stand. It required one or more computer forensic experts as well as one or more cell phone experts to piece together the timeline, and would have probably taken a couple of days to present which we could all summarize in 15 minutes. Given the lack of intellectual curiosity of the jury, they likely would have checked out after the qualifications of the first witness were established.

There is a couple hour gap in the cell phone and computer history (that we know of) during the late morning hours of that morning that could be used to claim the drowning happened. Jose's opening statement was not evidence, so that gap could have been melded to fit his story.

It's complicated, but you could keep a chart up with the info and fill it in as you went along, and then hammer it home in closing.

The gaps would be kind of interesting to go through with the jury, actually--you could show how little time it took Casey to "get over it" (no matter when "it" happened).

But I know what you mean--with this particular jury, the point might not have gotten across.

 

[sleutherontheside]

According to Publisher's Weekly.....JB's book sold 2600 copies the first week.

2600 Ummmmmmmm epic fizzle.

http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/52957-hunter-down-anthony-up-for-benbella.html

 

[TorisMom003]

A qoute from that above linked video by the "Marketing manager" of Benbella Books.

"Both authors (talking about Jose Baez and Rielle Hunter) looked at a wide variety of publishing houses and I think it's what a publishing house can bring to the table in terms of editorial and packaging and a timeline as well. Both of them had to come out very quickly."

My translation of the above.......

Jose Baez knew that no other publishing house would touch this sorry excuse of an "intelligent non-fiction" book that he had to go with Benbella.

MOO