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Imo. Mark will be in cuffs next week. So lets just get the Mark Booking Thread ready. Lol. Jmo.

But since mark is a saint compared to his soon to be co defendants. His lawyer will make it seem like Cww was always jealous of mark and just want to bring him down.

Didnt mark have Cww fired plus kicked out of a rental owned by Mark.


So his lawyers can definitely show some type of doubt. Similar to Casey Anthony lawyer blaming everyone else. Jmo.

So the DA may want a little more proof before filing charges. Jmo

RBBM

Yep. And this is why Mark has quite the dilemma because once he starts throwing CWW under the bus, guess who will start singing loudly? That "friendship" will soon be over. As SMS said, "You know the story about the snakes eating each other?,,,," Yeah. That's going to happen eventually.
 
What man would allow his own mother to take the stand? Of course they will have to put her on the stand and he knows this.

Oh wait a minute. I forgot. He probably has several policies on her as well. And he is banking on a heart attack. Jmo.

But seriously. Who does that?
 
If it doesn't happen soon, maybe Dexter can pull a Dexter and make the bad guy disappear

Lol. I have the horse tranquilizers and boat and plastic ready. But I may have to do a go fundme for enough gas for the boat to make to Florida and back to California. Lol

So for now. I will let the DA handle this from their end. Lol

Thanks Beach. I mean oops. Thanks LvsAMystry -Giggle Emoji -

Sorry. Lol. I guess I had one too many. Lol. Hugs?
 
Maybe they are talking to some of the "girlfriends" who might be more willing to talk now that some of the evidence is out there.
 
I think CWW knew that they knew that mark was involved.

And they simply was waiting for Cww to call mark from jail and tell him they knew.

Hint. The Miami number that Cww called from jail that is now unavailable.

Plus they said mark had a disposable phone which i think was that Miami number. Jmo
 
Maybe they are talking to some of the "girlfriends" who might be more willing to talk now that some of the evidence is out there.

Oh yeah! Speaking of this, I was wondering about the repercussions of that. According to the affidavit, they uncovered numerous affairs via FaceTime chats, texts, etc.... I'm kinda thinking that all these different women probably didn't know he was having multiple affairs simultaneously. I'm betting there are a few PO'd women out there right now. He better hope they are feeling vengeful because that could really get sticky for him.
 
Oh yeah! Speaking of this, I was wondering about the repercussions of that. According to the affidavit, they uncovered numerous affairs via FaceTime chats, texts, etc.... I'm kinda thinking that all these different women probably didn't know he was having multiple affairs simultaneously. I'm betting there are a few PO'd women out there right now. He better hope they are feeling vengeful because that could really get sticky for him.

Is it okay for me to say this? I don't get the appeal.

Teresa Ann Grace Sievers so beautiful, inside (from what I read here) and out (in my opinion).

Blows my mind and it is not easily blown. Thinking about MS taking her to the airport, he KNEW it was the last time he would physically see her alive. How did he lay down and go to sleep that night? How does he live in the home, with the two girls, and continue to function? From the video in court earlier today, he hasn't missed any meals. Pure evil, through and through.

The best way for a father to love his children is to love his wife. Clearly he only loves himself. JMO.
 
Oh yeah! Speaking of this, I was wondering about the repercussions of that. According to the affidavit, they uncovered numerous affairs via FaceTime chats, texts, etc.... I'm kinda thinking that all these different women probably didn't know he was having multiple affairs simultaneously. I'm betting there are a few PO'd women out there right now. He better hope they are feeling vengeful because that could really get sticky for him.

Yeah and it might really get interesting when/ if we find out who these affair participants are. More interesting though to their partners, friends and family, I bet.
 
And how did he manage acting cool on a vacation with HER side of the family???

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Russian blue, how did you sneak that in there so fast? I thought I could reply without quote... But now I'm a post farther away! You got quick fingers there... LOL. [emoji104]
 
A sociopath narcissist person has no feelings! They can look you straight in the eye and tell you the biggest lie.

They also have no empathy. Their mind works nothing like our mind does. If you have been fortunate enough to not have known one, you could never understand or believe the malicious, sly, underhanded, devilish mannerisms that belong to them!

MS has no problems with what he has done. He has already moved on to his next opportunity to take control of the situation. JMO.
 
Maybe they are talking to some of the "girlfriends" who might be more willing to talk now that some of the evidence is out there.

I bet there are some nervous women out there! Hubbies having no clue the little woman was with MS during that "long lunch with the girls"! Numerous affairs... Think about that for a while!
 
I think CWW knew that they knew that mark was involved.

And they simply was waiting for Cww to call mark from jail and tell him they knew.

Hint. The Miami number that Cww called from jail that is now unavailable.

Plus they said mark had a disposable phone which i think was that Miami number. Jmo

BBM- Speaking of disposable phones... I asked this earlier but it got lost in the girl's discussion thread but we know LE knows they used burner phones. They would use code words when they wanted to switch to the burners. What I don't understand is this app Mark had downloaded to his phone which had something to do with the burner. Did I understand correctly that LE was actually able to recover the texts and conversations via the app on MS's phone?

I know there are apps that can be downloaded so the recipient of the phone call sees a different number when you are actually calling from your phone. My work doesn't provide a cell phone for me (it is reimbursed as an expense) but because of the line of work I am in, there are occasions I use this app so the client doesn't have my actual phone number. That said. It cannot be used for text messages-- only phone calls.

So back to my original question/confusion- was LE able to recover the content of the burners they were using? TIA
 
And another thing (hope this is ok to post in this thread)--- now that we know CWW is truly broke, how can he afford an attorney of EP's status (and rates?)
Could she be working pro bono with the hopes of a forthcoming book about this case (based on SMS's statements about this is the type of case that movies and books are made of- paraphrase)?
Shame on this woman if so and wonder now that she realizes her "innocent" client used a d**n GPS of all things which proves his evil self was at TS's home the night/early morning of the murder if she feels like she has egg on her face?
I certainly hope so! I know we all have a right to a defense (thank goodness) but if she is volunteering her time to cash in later... Backfire!
 
BBM- Speaking of disposable phones... I asked this earlier but it got lost in the girl's discussion thread but we know LE knows they used burner phones. They would use code words when they wanted to switch to the burners. What I don't understand is this app Mark had downloaded to his phone which had something to do with the burner. Did I understand correctly that LE was actually able to recover the texts and conversations via the app on MS's phone?

I know there are apps that can be downloaded so the recipient of the phone call sees a different number when you are actually calling from your phone. My work doesn't provide a cell phone for me (it is reimbursed as an expense) but because of the line of work I am in, there are occasions I use this app so the client doesn't have my actual phone number. That said. It cannot be used for text messages-- only phone calls.

So back to my original question/confusion- was LE able to recover the content of the burners they were using? TIA
Talking about apps, I have one on my phone that calls and texts, too. I downloaded it for my granddaughter's use when she is at my house. Keeps her messaging out of my inbox. LOL. It does have a completely different number from my phone, including a different area code.



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Talking about apps, I have one on my phone that calls and texts, too. I downloaded it for my granddaughter's use when she is at my house. Keeps her messaging out of my inbox. LOL. It does have a completely different number from my phone, including a different area code.



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I have wondered if the app might have been "whatsapp". If it is that is bad news for LE, they won't hand over info on terrorists using the app, so I doubt they would do it for a murder.

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I have wondered if the app might have been "whatsapp". If it is that is bad news for LE, they won't hand over info on terrorists using the app, so I doubt they would do it for a murder.

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BBM

Dang. I didn't know that!
 
Maybe they are talking to some of the "girlfriends" who might be more willing to talk now that some of the evidence is out there.

Oh yeah! Speaking of this, I was wondering about the repercussions of that. According to the affidavit, they uncovered numerous affairs via FaceTime chats, texts, etc.... I'm kinda thinking that all these different women probably didn't know he was having multiple affairs simultaneously. I'm betting there are a few PO'd women out there right now. He better hope they are feeling vengeful because that could really get sticky for him.

Yeah and it might really get interesting when/ if we find out who these affair participants are. More interesting though to their partners, friends and family, I bet.

I bet there are some nervous women out there! Hubbies having no clue the little woman was with MS during that "long lunch with the girls"! Numerous affairs... Think about that for a while!

I was thinking about that a couple of days ago. I'll bet THEY all about peed their panties when the "facetime" and numerous affairs were mentioned from MS cellphone. :lol:

People who have affairs may worry about their spouse finding out, but it's probably never crossed their minds that the whole world could...
If this goes to trial (and I think it will) they just might be called to the stand. Lordy, lordy I'll bet the Divorce Lawyers in that area are all salivating at the prospect of all the future business coming their way. :wink:
 
I have wondered if the app might have been "whatsapp". If it is that is bad news for LE, they won't hand over info on terrorists using the app, so I doubt they would do it for a murder.

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Based on their other "genius" decisions (ie... using text message "codes" to move to burner phone, CWW telling AW he was going to the Siever home the w/e of the murder, using GPS to get them to the home, video surveillance at WalMart) I doubt they were smart enough to use an actual app that won't incriminate them.
They are Dumb and Dumber! MOO

Edit to add... I think I could plan a more well thought out plan this morning than they did during the months prior. I don't mean to sound snarky about that but the evidence is overwhelming at this point! I realize there is always a defense but I can't imagine what they will try to cook up to wiggle out of this one.
 
All these blunders make one wonder about SMS's comment about them trying to cover up their tracks, but not good enough... CWW didn't even return the GPS, which is not only disrespectful, but stupid to keep in his possession even after "deleting" the trip info. And not throwing away burner phones? Well, I guess since he was a poor broke guy, they might have been useful again sometime. :rolleyes: Telling everyone when and where they were going? Not getting rid of clothing used in the crime, etc. (Well since the black towels wouldn't stain, they could just go ahead and use them for everyday use.) Gotta be frugal, W/right? Just exactly what DID they try to cover up? And I still don't get the logic of the three hammers. iirc, Two at the scene and one someone brought back home? I thought they might have dumped a clean hammer so no prints/DNA would be found, but from the forensics it looks like the hammer on the scene was the actual weapon. wow, absolutely thought they had committed the perfect murder.
 
All these blunders make one wonder about SMS's comment about them trying to cover up their tracks, but not good enough... CWW didn't even return the GPS, which is not only disrespectful, but stupid to keep in his possession even after "deleting" the trip info. And not throwing away burner phones? Well, I guess since he was a poor broke guy, they might have been useful again sometime. :rolleyes: Telling everyone when and where they were going? Not getting rid of clothing used in the crime, etc. (Well since the black towels wouldn't stain, they could just go ahead and use them for everyday use.) Gotta be frugal, W/right? Just exactly what DID they try to cover up? And I still don't get the logic of the three hammers. iirc, Two at the scene and one someone brought back home? I thought they might have dumped a clean hammer so no prints/DNA would be found, but from the forensics it looks like the hammer on the scene was the actual weapon. wow, absolutely thought they had committed the perfect murder.

Lot of good points, where good plan gone bad. Blunders does make one wonder. Were any blunders intentional to frame JR if things go haywire.

I think in the planning, and the premise is first we won't get caught, or, they wouldn't do it in the first place or at least the way they did, they are planning forward, we'll do this, so x won't happen, we will do y, so z won't happen.

In the investigation to the crime you go backwards and find all the holes or blunders, what did happen. Obviously a lot more than that, but they start at the crime scene or event and have to work back from there.

One thing I think they didn't take into account is how tired they would be-- which is why I think they just forgot the gps with everything else they had to take care of. Should of made a list, guys.

I think the black towels was a clever idea even if the plan was to use them and dump them, someone finding them would be less likely to see bloody towels on black, vs. blood on light colored towels which raise the danger response in anyone who might find them.

Three hammers also is confusing, maybe one for each to do the deed, maybe Mark was supposed to be there too, and he wasn't able to make it, or the plan changed? Or, maybe JR just likes his hammers and wanted one for a souvenir? Called himself "the hammer" after all. Or make sure they really notice a hammer was the weapon of choice. Just in case they get caught, who is the hammer guy?

JR definitely has that "take something from the scene of the crime" with you vibe. And maybe he was just plain ole lazy and decided to take care of the bloody clothing later and didn't get around to it. We know he was a bragger and didn't mind telling folks about his other bad deeds and not just to his girlfriend. As you say, they absolutely thought they had committed the perfect murder.

Though I have also pondered if caught was plan B to totally pin it on JR, or was it to pin it on him at some point. Was he framed?

JR does the hammer work. JR is in possession of the bloody clothing. JR uses his email in the gps (a planned mistake?). JR is a bragger with a big mouth, can't wait to get home and spills the beans to the girlfriend during pillowtalk. Includes her in destruction of evidence, having her throw out bits and pieces out the window of the truck.

CWW must of known he would be a loose cannon and would talk about it at some point. I think the plan was if they did get caught was to make it look like CWW was not there, but JR was. What was JRs back up plan? Did he leave his phone at home? He told both his boss he was going to FL for a graduation and gf he was going for work. He wasn't even trying to not place himself at the scene.

Don't you think CWW would of counseled him a bit with don't tell anyone about anything, keep your trap shut. I think he is the one who was set up to take the fall in the event things went south.

I have thought that as far as AW goes, CWW may have totally underestimated her intelligence--emotional intelligence to keep her mouth shut, even though she really didn't know why he was going. He might of said I am going on vacation, she insists where, he says Florida but don't tell anyone, don't want people who are helping us out to think I have money for fun. She is not too smart, but very emotional-- feeling left out, so tells her friends about her feelings, etc. I commented before on what her state might have been. She doesn't know that this vacation involves murder, so she's miffed and complains and inadvertently spills the beans.

I also wonder, since I believe this plot was hatched at the time of the wedding, that CWW felt secure that she could not testify against him if the stuff hit the fan, or even any other things he may have been involved in that she may know about. But getting married does not zip ones lips on a big mouth.
 
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