Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #11

[little726]

Thank you, FLtwinmom.

The way I see it, he could have been missing since June 3rd. The court put out a warrant for his arrest on June 24th, because he didn't show up for his hearing.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Thank you, FLtwinmom.

The way I see it, he could have been missing since June 3rd. The court put out a warrant for his arrest on June 24th, because he didn't show up for his hearing.

Bingo! He could have fled easily, even with his tracking device.

I recall it stated, way back when, that at this time OSBI was not interested in speculation/theories because they had enough theories of their own. FC, if this could be forwarded, I'd like to see OSBI's answers.

Thanks!

 

[frogjustfrog]

Hi
Maybe I'm just too worn out, but I dont see where you all are reading the info about Gore and stuff.

 

[GetSmart]

WOW!!!! He sure does look like the POI. I checked OCIS for a file on him, guess what? He was arrested on a traffic infraction back in 1989. It says he is from Gore, OK. He also drove a 1989 Ford. It did not say what color it was.

frogjustfrog Hi
Maybe I'm just too worn out, but I dont see where you all are reading the info about Gore and stuff.

This could be interesting. Regardless if he is the POI we still need to pray they catch him..very dangerous felon

 

[SeriouslySearching]

WOW!!!! He sure does look like the POI. I checked OCIS for a file on him, guess what? He was arrested on a traffic infraction back in 1989. It says he is from Gore, OK. He also drove a 1989 Ford. It did not say what color it was.

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oc...wtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=22360&db=Tulsa

If it could be determined exactly when he cut his monitoring device and fled...I think he does look enough like the sketch to be a possibility. If he was released on June 6th as mentioned in *Crimeshadow's blog, could it be that they overlooked his bracelet being taken off?

I do think it is worth Maricopa county checking with the OSBI in case there is DNA in both cases to compare and notes to compare on this man. Maybe contacting OSBI isn't welcomed, but Maricopa might like to be aware since it is their subject who is missing.

White Male
Born: 11/07/1961
Height: 6′ 0″
Weight: 175 lbs.
Brown Hair
Brown Eyes

If you have any information concerning this individual, please call the Phoenix Police Department Crime Stop 262-6151, Silent Witness at 480-WITNESS or Phoenix Police Detectives at 602-262-6141.

*http://crimeshadowsnews.com/main/

Here is a photo of a 1989 Ford truck. Note the silver stripe running down the side as it appears standard.: http://www.speedwayautomall.com/detail-1989-ford-f~150-2702076.html

 

[FlowerChild]

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED granting Defendant’s oral motion to modify release
conditions.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant is released to the supervision of Pretrial
Services Agency, including drug and alcohol monitoring, electronic monitoring by active GPS,
and curfew between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m.
ISSUED: Release Order

The original release and probation had a condition that he have a working phone in his residence. His attorney asked to have that amended because the GPS monitor does not require a phone line, it is battery operated and wireless (like a cell phone). That was approved on June 4th. He was not arrested, he was asking for a modification, which was approved and he was released BACK to the Probation/Parole Authorities with that modification. He also had a curfew - he had to be home from 6PM to 6AM daily. Any deviation from that has to have prior approval of the PO and Supervisor - and they know if the curfew is being followed by using the GPS tracking device - it sends an alert to LE if he is not home by 6PM or leaves home before 6AM. He was wearing a GPS TRACKING MONITOR - that means his every move can be tracked - his exact location is known 24/7/265 and if removed it, it sends an immediate alarm to LE. They know it has been cut off immediately - that's why the violation and warrant were issued the next day - they knew to the second when the device was cut off and he ran.

It isn't possible for this person to be in Oklahoma wearing the GPS Tracking device on his ankle - without LE knowing - heck, they know if the guy leaves his HOUSE at the wrong time - much less leaves the state. And they would also know if he removed it - that's how they knew he had "run" - the monitior sent them a signal that it had been cut off. And he has been wearing the device since he was released from prison in March 2007 - he is a child sex offender - lots of restrictions including where he can live and work and one violation (per the GPS) and it's back to prison. It's such a good system that many states are considering requiring ALL convicted Child Sex Offenders be required to wear a similar device all the time for life. No worries about registering or where they are living, working or hanging out - LE has the guy mapped for every step he takes every minute of every day.

So, --- here's what we know - the guy's photo does resemble the POI, and he was wearing a working GPS Tracking device on his ankle on June 8th. The GPS tracking device was not removed until June 22nd. If he was in Weleetka, OK on June 8th, Phoenix LE already knows it (and the OSBI too). He could have driven from Phoenix to Weleetka (or Gore) - but it takes at least 16 hours one way - he would have had to be away from home from early Sat the 7th until at least midnight on Monday June 9th - and that's if he drove straight thru to Weleetka, murdered the girls and drove straight back to Phoenix. Now if he did that, we have to ask was he alone? Does he own a white PU truck? Does it have OK tags? Does he have a friend or relative who would have loaned him their truck and NOT report that he had it, in OK, and that he resembles the POI? Did he steal OK Tags? Did he steal the truck in OK? If so, where is/was his vehicle? Where did he get the guns?

And if he was in OK on June 8th - why was he not arrested when he returned to Phoenix - he didn't run till June 22nd - 2 full weeks after the murder (and it making NATIONAL NEWS) and we know he was in Phoenix on the 22nd because he removed his GPS device there. Between June 8th and June 22nd Phoenix LE could have picked him up easily at any time - they did know where he was since they were tracking him 24/7. And if it was even possible that he was in OK on June 8th - then WHY is there not an APB and "Most Wanted" alert out on this guy BY NAME? No press release?

And finally - the killer or the POI was wearing "boots" - LE has the footprints - can you wear those type boots WITH a GPS Tracking Device on your ankle? The ones I have seen are not tiny and seem a bit bulky and painful for wearing boots - and they do fit rather tightly on the ankle - wearers report chafing, rawness, rubbing, blisters, swelling of the foot, ankle and leg and bruises - not to mention that certain clothing and footwear cannot be worn at all because they won't go over the device.

It's a good catch on the resemblance but at this point I am not seeing much else that points to this guy - not a better alibi on the planet than having a required LE issued GPS Tracker strapped to your ankle that proves you were home in Phoenix at 6PM on June 8th. We should keep looking though - and at ALL the photos of ex convicts - LE has most assuredly also been combing every mug-shot database in the US and asking authorities to track down and verify where every ex convict who resembles the sketch was on June 8th at 5PM. More sets of eyes can't hurt. And tips are tips, the OSBI is not going to reject anything that is reasonable. Giving them a list of possibles that are relatively easy to check out (and where they can quickly eliminate probably 99% without leaving their desk) would probably be welcomed.

When I have time, I am combing the internet for photos of random, ordinary men (not convicts or RSO's) who look like the sketch - billions of photos of people and maybe one of them is the POI. No reason not to look - I think he's out here somewhere - probably right under our collective noses.

My Opinion

 

[SeriouslySearching]

More on the body found in Webber Falls:

The positive identification of a dead body found Monday by a Muskogee fisherman could come today after dental records arrive, officials said.

The person was in his 20s.

A billfold with identification in it was on the body.

Smith said a medical examiner initially placed the time of death between a week and two weeks.

http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/local/local_story_190235219.html

Again, probably has nothing to do with the case, but I want to keep an eye on it anyway.

 

[Ruflossn]

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED granting Defendant’s oral motion to modify release
conditions.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant is released to the supervision of Pretrial
Services Agency, including drug and alcohol monitoring, electronic monitoring by active GPS,
and curfew between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m.
ISSUED: Release Order

The original release and probation had a condition that he have a working phone in his residence. His attorney asked to have that amended because the GPS monitor does not require a phone line, it is battery operated and wireless (like a cell phone). That was approved on June 4th. He was not arrested, he was asking for a modification, which was approved and he was released BACK to the Probation/Parole Authorities with that modification. He also had a curfew - he had to be home from 6PM to 6AM daily. Any deviation from that has to have prior approval of the PO and Supervisor - and they know if the curfew is being followed by using the GPS tracking device - it sends an alert to LE if he is not home by 6PM or leaves home before 6AM. He was wearing a GPS TRACKING MONITOR - that means his every move can be tracked - his exact location is known 24/7/265 and if removed it, it sends an immediate alarm to LE. They know it has been cut off immediately - that's why the violation and warrant were issued the next day - they knew to the second when the device was cut off and he ran.

It isn't possible for this person to be in Oklahoma wearing the GPS Tracking device on his ankle - without LE knowing - heck, they know if the guy leaves his HOUSE at the wrong time - much less leaves the state. And they would also know if he removed it - that's how they knew he had "run" - the monitior sent them a signal that it had been cut off. And he has been wearing the device since he was released from prison in March 2007 - he is a child sex offender - lots of restrictions including where he can live and work and one violation (per the GPS) and it's back to prison. It's such a good system that many states are considering requiring ALL convicted Child Sex Offenders be required to wear a similar device all the time for life. No worries about registering or where they are living, working or hanging out - LE has the guy mapped for every step he takes every minute of every day.

So, --- here's what we know - the guy's photo does resemble the POI, and he was wearing a working GPS Tracking device on his ankle on June 8th. The GPS tracking device was not removed until June 22nd. If he was in Weleetka, OK on June 8th, Phoenix LE already knows it (and the OSBI too). He could have driven from Phoenix to Weleetka (or Gore) - but it takes at least 16 hours one way - he would have had to be away from home from early Sat the 7th until at least midnight on Monday June 9th - and that's if he drove straight thru to Weleetka, murdered the girls and drove straight back to Phoenix. Now if he did that, we have to ask was he alone? Does he own a white PU truck? Does it have OK tags? Does he have a friend or relative who would have loaned him their truck and NOT report that he had it, in OK, and that he resembles the POI? Did he steal OK Tags? Did he steal the truck in OK? If so, where is/was his vehicle? Where did he get the guns?

And if he was in OK on June 8th - why was he not arrested when he returned to Phoenix - he didn't run till June 22nd - 2 full weeks after the murder (and it making NATIONAL NEWS) and we know he was in Phoenix on the 22nd because he removed his GPS device there. Between June 8th and June 22nd Phoenix LE could have picked him up easily at any time - they did know where he was since they were tracking him 24/7. And if it was even possible that he was in OK on June 8th - then WHY is there not an APB and "Most Wanted" alert out on this guy BY NAME? No press release?

And finally - the killer or the POI was wearing "boots" - LE has the footprints - can you wear those type boots WITH a GPS Tracking Device on your ankle? The ones I have seen are not tiny and seem a bit bulky and painful for wearing boots - and they do fit rather tightly on the ankle - wearers report chafing, rawness, rubbing, blisters, swelling of the foot, ankle and leg and bruises - not to mention that certain clothing and footwear cannot be worn at all because they won't go over the device.

It's a good catch on the resemblance but at this point I am not seeing much else that points to this guy - not a better alibi on the planet than having a required LE issued GPS Tracker strapped to your ankle that proves you were home in Phoenix at 6PM on June 8th. We should keep looking though - and at ALL the photos of ex convicts - LE has most assuredly also been combing every mug-shot database in the US and asking authorities to track down and verify where every ex convict who resembles the sketch was on June 8th at 5PM. More sets of eyes can't hurt. And tips are tips, the OSBI is not going to reject anything that is reasonable. Giving them a list of possibles that are relatively easy to check out (and where they can quickly eliminate probably 99% without leaving their desk) would probably be welcomed.

When I have time, I am combing the internet for photos of random, ordinary men (not convicts or RSO's) who look like the sketch - billions of photos of people and maybe one of them is the POI. No reason not to look - I think he's out here somewhere - probably right under our collective noses.

My Opinion

FLowerchild~
Thanks for this information. It helped me understand things in regards to this person. I always enjoy your posts.

 

[justathought]

I lurk. Seldom post. But last night, I thought of a reason that I hadn't seen posted. What if the POI was dumping a body and that's what the girls stumbled up on as they were walking. Rural areas are popular for body dumping... around here anyway. I don't see killing over a rolling meth lab.....also too popular in rural areas around here...lol one had a wreck on the interstate during rush hour a few weeks ago, what a mess.....just roll on. Drug dealers and drug users just deny and lie...so even if the girls were sure they saw a transaction and knew at least one person involved....the perps would deny and subsequently modify the operation....nothing could be proven based on what the girls thought they saw..... now, the body dumping, perhaps the perp thought they had the license plate number or took a picture with the phone...we don't know if there were two phones or what was on the cell phone recovered......if this was the case the perp wouldn't be from the area most likely....and probably didn't know the area was as well-traveled as it apparently was and certainly didn't expect anyone to walk up. He left, taking the body with him and dumped it elsewhere. One thing, I haven't seen....since it appears to be known the truck had an Oklahoma license...was it a regular license or the Native American license so popular in the state?

 

[fran]

FlowerChild:

I too would like to thank you for the explanation. I sincerely appreciate it.

There is one thing I'd like to add. While studying the Groene case, we learned that Joseph Duncan, while on parole, was granted permission to travel out of state to visit his dad. IIRC, he was allowed to do that more than once. Duncan was on parole out of the State of Washington and his dad lived in Southern California.

It wasn't until after his final capture, that LE started patching his travels and linked him to three additional murders. One was in Southern California, on the way from one of his dad's residences to another in Las Vegas. Although, the Southern California murder was after he'd absconded, the two in the State of Washington were while he was still on parole. He has confessed to these three additional murderers.

IMO, it's POSSIBLE, that this guy was granted permission to visit home, Gore, Ok, by authorities in Phoenix, Ariz. With his definit resemblance to the person Ok is seeking, and due to the proximity of his original home of Gore, Ok, I think LE should at the least, take a look at his locations etc, at the time of the murder of these two little girls. Better to eliminate him and move on, than to later learn he was the person they were seeking all along and they missed the connection right under their nose.

JMHO
fran

 

[yarbchris]

A closer look at the records indicates the man from Phoenix and the man from Gore are not the same man.
The Oklahoma man has a DOB of December 30, 1960 and was listed as living in Gore on October 14, 1999. His traffic offense occurred June 18, of 1989. His initial appearance was August 7 of 1989 and he was arraigned on August 9.
Since Fritz was incarcerated in AZ in 1999, he could not have been residing in Oklahoma. Also, Fritz DOB is November 7 of 1961.
The man in OK has middle initial "C," like the AZ man, however, a further search of area records indicates the "C" does not stand for Charles, but probably for Christopher. There is nothing in the records to indicate extradition, warrants, or a temporary release that would link these two individuals

Sorry to throw a wrench into that angle, but it doesn't seem to jive, at least IMO.

 

[Claycat]

Justathought, I have seen the theory before about someone dumping a body. However, I don't know if it was on this forum or not.

Don't lurk so much! Join us! The more, the merrier!

 

[Lyn1001]

OSBI didn't want our opinions? When were they asked, KR2?

In a previous article it was stated:


"We've had several people who have acted or told other people they did it," says Brown. "They want their 15 minutes of fame. Typically they want people to think that they are dangerous people."

Brown says calls also come in from people who genuinely want to help, but she says those calls can hinder the investigation as well.

"It's not a big deal, but that's counterproductive," says Brown. "We need to get information on the case, specifically on the case, not theories. We have enough theories on our own."


Here is the link http://www.ksbitv.com/news/20516384.html

 

[YellowDog]

I find it strange that the grandfather did not hear any of the shots, or did he, since it was less than a quarter of a mile from his house and there were more than just a couple of shots. If I had a child who had left the house less than 30 minutes earlier and I heard shots, I'd be very concerned. This is a mysterious case. If the girls had walked up on a meth lab, wouldn't there be residue around or some signs of burning? All of this happened in such a short time frame that it's amazing they haven't published more clues.

 

[YellowDog]

My first inclination would be they went to meet someone they had been conversing with on the computer, possibly even someone from their school. Maybe they had some information that someone didn't want them to divulge and they were meeting to discuss it with them. Kids can be very secretive.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Justathought, welcome to WS! The dumping of a body is the reason I have been keeping tabs on bodies found in and around the area because I did mention this could be a possibility of what the girls could have seen to be killed over. Since no body has been found near the scene, it could mean they killed/dumped it elsewhere.

Yarbchris, well...it appears our sleuthing skills on this one had jumped out the window. We should have checked the dates etc. Thanks for pointing it out!

 

[Lyn1001]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not even sure what I think happened at this point. I did want to mention something though. I know people have discussed previously the thought that maybe one or both of the girls were going to tell about being molested. Anyone who mentioned that seemed to be flamed because the families appear very loving and caring. The thing I wanted to bring up was that if there was molestation, it doesn't mean it was by family! It could have been by any number of people who aren't related. Just a thought to bring up another angle in a way that may not get flamed.

 

[Lyn1001]

Justathought, welcome to WS! The dumping of a body is the reason I have been keeping tabs on bodies found in and around the area because I did mention this could be a possibility of what the girls could have seen to be killed over. Since no body has been found near the scene, it could mean they killed/dumped it elsewhere.

Yarbchris, well...it appears our sleuthing skills on this one had jumped out the window. We should have checked the dates etc. Thanks for pointing it out!

I appreciate you checking on bodies found in the area because there is always the possibility that if more than one person was involved, one of those people might have ended up dead. Especially if the POI wasn't the only one involved!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I find it strange that the grandfather did not hear any of the shots, or did he, since it was less than a quarter of a mile from his house and there were more than just a couple of shots. If I had a child who had left the house less than 30 minutes earlier and I heard shots, I'd be very concerned. This is a mysterious case. If the girls had walked up on a meth lab, wouldn't there be residue around or some signs of burning? All of this happened in such a short time frame that it's amazing they haven't published more clues.

It was extremely windy in the state that day and blowing away from the house where the grandfather was. OSBI spokewoman, Jessica Brown explained if you were inside, tv on, ac on, and other noises (ie. talking etc.), they probably would not have heard the shots.

 

[YellowDog]

Were the girls shot in the front or the back?