Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #12

[Alcina]

Flowerchild,
I love your postings...but I have to admit that they are way too long..always for me to read through. Could you be more succinct in what you are saying..I just need to have more info less words when I read posts here.

I think that many times your very good thoughts get lost..because many people don't take the time to read your entire response. Less wordy..more to the point would be helpful here. We need your imput..but we can't read such long posts continually.

I totally agree! Flowerchild has wonderful posts. I often have to skip/skim them though since they are so long. :crazy:

 

[Ruflossn]

Yes it used to be CTV. It has been down awhile now. I am going through board withdrawal but am glad you are so up on this horrible crime here.

Welcome Shoregirl!
Personally, I am a huge fan of W.S.

Again, Welcome~

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I totally agree! Flowerchild has wonderful posts. I often have to skip/skim them though since they are so long. :crazy:

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo

 

[Ruflossn]

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo

Ditto from me.
Ocean, I also have to say that I enjoy your posts. I read them all over the board and find them pleasant and agreeable.

:clap:

 

[GetSmart]

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo

I am on the same page w/OceanB

 

[Alcina]

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo

Oh I agree they are totally compelling, imformative and interesting. It's just most times I have a few minutes here and there to read and it kills me that I can't read all of hers all the time. I depend (sometimes) on others to reply to a specific point and go from there. I guess it's mostly us readers who have little time that find it a bit harder, but really want to hear what she has to say.

Ditto from me.
Ocean, I also have to say that I enjoy your posts. I read them all over the board and find them pleasant and agreeable.

:clap:

I enjoy Oceans posts too! One of my favorites! :clap:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ditto from me.
Ocean, I also have to say that I enjoy your posts. I read them all over the board and find them pleasant and agreeable.

:clap:

Why thank you Ruflossn. I have enjoyed your posts as well. I read all posts no matter what forum I am on, whether it be short posts or long ones.

I sure wish we would get some breaking news.

I keep hoping everyday will bring the day these families want to see come so badly.

I do remember how disheartened I became when Dylan and Shasta were missing and no news at all was coming out about them. I almost lost hope they would ever be found but it did happen even if it was too late for little Dylan. (RIP, sweetie) They finally got the that destroyed that family.

So it can happen and I hope it does for these families......soon.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh I agree they are totally compelling, informative and interesting. It's just most times I have a few minutes here and there to read and it kills me that I can't read all of hers all the time. I depend (sometimes) on others to reply to a specific point and go from there. I guess it's mostly us readers who have little time that find it a bit harder, but really want to hear what she has to say.



I enjoy Oceans posts too! One of my favorites! :clap:

Oh my, thank you so much. :blowkiss: What a nice compliment.

I do understand what you mean, Alcina. It wasn't long ago I was having to juggle so many things. Now that I have retired I do have much more time than probably others do who still have to do that amazing multi-tasking I did for those long years.

imoo

 

[Alcina]

Oh my, thank you so much. :blowkiss: What a nice compliment.

I do understand what you mean, Alcina. It wasn't long ago I was having to juggle so many things. Now that I have retired I do have much more time than probably others do who still have to do that amazing multi-tasking I did for those long years.

imoo

I totally meant it. No matter the thread, I read all of your posts and enjoy them.

I hope I didn't come off that I was so important and had so much to do that I couldn't read the whole posts of FC. I didn't mean that at all.

 

[frogjustfrog]

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo

I love them too... just the way they are.

 

[Ruflossn]

Frog,
Did you get my last IM?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I totally meant it. No matter the thread, I read all of your posts and enjoy them.

I hope I didn't come off that I was so important and had so much to do that I couldn't read the whole posts of FC. I didn't mean that at all.

Absolutely not. Other posters have mentioned the same thing about other posters from time to time who tend to make longer posts. I am guilty of making lengthy posts, myself, and I do realize that everyone doesn't prefer them to the shorter ones but I just plunk along, Ocean style, cuz that is just me.:crazy:

It is normal imo for some to prefer the short posts over the long ones or vice versa. We aren't clones of each other and that is one of the things that makes this site great imo.

imoo

 

[frogjustfrog]

Frog,
Did you get my last IM?

Yes I did. Sleep well. :woohoo:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I love them too... just the way they are.

Well HI there frog. I have been wondering where you were today. I have missed you and hope you have been doing well.

We all need to pray extra hard tonight that justice will be done for these precious girls and pray that it comes soon.

This has got to be torture for these families and not knowing who or why.

imoo

 

[frogjustfrog]

Thank you! I've been around, popping in and out to see what is going on. I work days so I just have time here and there to check on things.
I'm feeling pretty humble right now. Feeling like we all DO need to pray alot about this. I know the Lord hears our prayers.
Its horrible that tragic things like this happen, but like I think I mentioned earlier, if nothing else, we can let some good come out of this, by making a difference somewhere, or with someone, when we think about how suddenly and how horribly these little girls died.
Pardon me. I'm having a rough time finding words right now. I seem to be having one of those tough moments. Ya know? It just all seems so senseless. So lets not let it be. Lets find a way, to give the girls tribute for their deaths, by allowing something really wonderful happen from all this.
I think I am going to bed. I'm pretty emotional right now.
sleep well, all.:blowkiss:

 

[GetSmart]

For those of us that want to we should agree on a time & all say our prayer at the same time ...

 

[YellowDog]

If I saw a body (or two bodies) lying beside the road I was driving on I would - slam on my brakes, and pull to the side of the road - if I was too far past them I would back up or turn around, and go back to the spot. I any case when I parked, I would not be thinking about HOW I parked or whether I was in the road (especially if it was a dirt road) - I would be running to the bodies to see if they needed help. At the same time I would be dialing 911 on my cell phone, IF I had a phone with me anyway.

Taylor was lying almost in the road and would have been clearly visible from a passing car - not so much Skyla, but Taylor would have been obvious. I wonder if the "Good Samaritan POI" (he didn't kill the girls and just drove by and saw them) found the bodies lying face down (as they fell) and turned one or both the bodies face up and laid them out so he could see if they were alive? Maybe that is why LE hasn't given body position (or wound locations) info to the media? Maybe that is so they can ID the POI and perhaps establish if he is the "Killer POI" or the "Good Samaritan POI" based on what he says he saw and did at the scene? That could also be why the 911 call isn't being released - perhaps GPa describes how he found the girls and LE knows from the evidence that SOMEONE ELSE moved one or both girls shortly after they were shot?

IE: Killer shoots both girls, they fall forward or crumple forward where they stood. Killer leaves scene.
POI arrives, maybe sees killer, maybe not, sees bodies, makes u-turn (leaving tire tracks?), parks awkwardly, leaving half the vehicle sticking across the road, gets out, runs to bodies (leaving footprints?), turns one or both girls over and stretches them out on their backs, checks for pulse - no pulse. POI knows people saw him and his truck in the area, is a meth head or has drugs or stolen stuff in his truck, or has a rap sheet for violent crimes, he is from OKC or Tulsa, was out looking for something to steal in the country, does NOT want to be talking to cops, or be connected to two dead girls so he gets in his truck and leaves the area ASAP.
GPA finds girls - calls 911, describes scene he found, does not touch girls because they are lying on their backs and are clearly dead.
LE arrives, photographs scene, talks to GPa. They look at blood evidence, crushed vegetation etc and determine the girls were in one position when they died and SOMEONE put them on their backs. Hear evidence about POI in area or at scene - no way to know if POI is killer or Good Samaritan who MAY have seen the real killer.

My Opinion

Do you think there is any possibility that the Grandfather saw this POI when he was approaching the murder scene and that is when this person took off? The thing that I keep thinking about is the short time frame in which all of this took place. It would have taken the Grandfather several minutes to walk to where the girls were and he would have been looking down the road as he walked that way. If not, the POI would have had to have been gone already by this time and that would narrow the time down even more.

 

[FlowerChild]

Some pretty astounding info here!!!
This is more about the Whitakers and Skyla's Grandparents the Farrows
I am sorry this is so long, but all the information "goes together" and would not make sense in several shorter posts. I will bold the highlights but everyone should read THIS!!!

The Farrows BOTH work for a Mr Chancey, who lives up the road (North of Bad Creek) from the Plackers and owns the house the Plackers live in (the Plackers rent from Mr Chancey). Mr Chancey owns a LOT of property in the area. Skyla's GMa Claudia Farrow is Mr Chancey's housekeeper (not a veterinarian). Mr Farrow (Jimmy) is a handyman/ranch hand for Mr Chancey and also does ranch hand type work for other people in the area. Skyla's mother (Rose Whitaker) stopped by Mr Chancey's house to drop something off to Claudia Farrow and when she was leaving she called the Plackers to say she was coming to pick Skyla up.... she was just a matter of minutes away from where the girls were killed when they were killed.

Mr Chancey is an important connection we didn't have between the Whitakers and The Farrows and the Plackers. It's interesting that the POI was seen very near the Chancey house BEFORE the girls were shot and one or both of the Farrows are there at that location almost daily. Evidently there are rumors that there is (and maybe was previously) some "friction" between the Farrows and the Plackers???

My contact thought it was hysterical that the public thinks Claudia Farrow is a vet - his term for her wasn't rude, but it was derogatory so I won't repeat it here. Let's just say that The Farrows were not highly regarded in the community before this happened and the idea that Claudia got on TV and either said she was a vet or implied that she was and Jimmy was on TV passing judgement on the area by saying it was a "bad, drug infested" place has PO'd most of the people around there. My contact's advice was NOT to believe anything either of them say including that Claudia was allowed to touch or even SEE Skyla's body at the scene. According the LE who were there the whole time, she did not get any closer than the crime scene perimeter, although she tried. She embarrassed Rose (Skyla's Mother).

Jimmy Farrow is NOT Rose's Father. When Claudia Farrow moved to the area several years ago after she married Jimmy Farrow, she did not have custody of her two daughters (Rose and her sister). The local info is that she lost custody - either to DHS or she gave the girls to her sister to raise (maybe DHS took them and gave them to her sister?). Claudia and Jimmy have a son Jimmy Jr, Jimmy is not around and hasn't been for a long time, some people in Weleetka believe he has died. Nobody in Weleetka knew Claudia had daughters until Rose and her husband moved to the area from Kansas with Skyla and her little sister. Big shock to everyone around there.

The Whitakers live next door to the Farrows - over toward Henryetta, OK. I have their location - it's 8 miles South of I-40 near the Indian Nation Turnpike. It's about 10 miles East of the Placker house as the crow flies - probably a 15-20 mile drive though.

Rose Whitaker and her Mother/Stepfather do not really get along that well and the Whitakers are not close (as in family close) to the Farrows. Skyla was not close to the Farrows either. The Whitakers are not dealing with losing Skyla very well. William (Skyla's Stepfather) is the only one my contact says he would trust information from. If William says it, according to my contact, it is correct - and the Whitakers are upset that so much of what is being said is not accurate.

And the last bit - Skyla's brother is indeed in jail in Kansas and has not been in the area. He is going to go to prison. Rose was already very upset about THAT and then Skyla was murdered. The family was dealing with a lot of different family issues and Skyla's murder (and the circumstances) has really pushed them to the edge

Sorry, this is long already but I have to add that we haven't looked into the Farrow's history at all, and not very much into the Whitakers or Rose Whitaker's exes and other children by those fathers - we know the family has been cleared, but that doesn't mean the killer wasn't somebody upset with the Farrows or Whitakers. Where the POI was seen BEFORE the shots were fired was close to the Chancey location where the Farrows worked and where ROSE WHITAKER was when the girls were killed. Could that mean the killer was associated with Skyla and NOT TAYLOR??? Could the killer have KNOWN that Rose was going to pick up Skyla in a few minutes because he saw her car at the Chancey's?? Could the POI (or the killer) have FOLLOWED Rose from the Whitaker/Farrow houses to where Skyla was? Did the killer think the Plackers were related to the Farrows or the Whitakers??? We have assumed it was the Placker family that might have the connection to the killer, because of the proximity to their home, but it turns out that the Farrows worked nearby and Rose Whitaker went to that location before she was to pick up Skyla right down the road. The 3 families were a lot closer and in different ways than just the kids being best friends.

Sleuth away guys!

Again, all info above is from my Weleetka contact - it is not official - just what an informed local person knows but I have checked out the verifiable info - like the locations/owners of property etc and it does check out.

My Opinion

 

[ArizonaGiGi]

~snip~

(quote; FlowerChild) Mr Chancey is an important connection we didn't have between the Whitakers and The Farrows and the Plackers. It's interesting that the POI was seen very near the Chancey house BEFORE the girls were shot and one or both of the Farrows are there at that location almost daily. Evidently there are rumors that there is (and maybe was previously) some "friction" between the Farrows and the Plackers???

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FC, I haven't heard this before. I have tried hard to read every post on here, but I never heard that the POI was seen anywhere else besides the crime scene. Where did this info come from and when. I know you've recently gotten a local connection - is that where the info came from? How the heck did I miss that!!! Goin' crazy here.

I am wondering too, like you, if we have focused on the wrong victim. We have mostly assumed it was a connection to Taylor when it very well could have been connected to Skyla's side. Interesting that Skyla's Gma is NOT a veterinarian. Heck why didn't she say she was a surgeon or NASA scientist if she was going to lie. Go all out, lol.
I predict many more surprising tidbits of information about Skyla's family to come out in the near future!
Good job and Thanks

 

[little726]

Great job, FC, on getting this information.