Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #2

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Do I have this right? The girls spent the night at the grandfather/dad's house the night before. The girls left at 5pm and were found at 5:40 pm. They had been dead approximately 15 minutes and someone saw them during this time walking. The grandfather/dad touched one of them to get the phone, but he didn't see any vehicle on the road that he could identify. Just seems like such a very narrow window of time! I live in a rural area too but one is still always aware of gunshots, especially at least 4 shots fired within 300 years of my home.
 
poco said:
And, MAYBE, there really isn't a witness.... maybe LE is just staying that to try to get the killers rattled and say or do something stupid. Just a thought..............
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No, I think there really is a witness. They would not risk their credibility in such a way.
 
someone asked earlier about the water level at bad creek. per usgs most streams in that ares are "above normal" to "much above normal"

click link below & move mouse across map
http://water.usgs.gov/waterwatch/?m=real&r=ok

envoy thanks for reposting that picture link.
 
Ezekiel said:
Do I have this right? The girls spent the night at the grandfather/dad's house the night before. The girls left at 5pm and were found at 5:40 pm. They had been dead approximately 15 minutes and someone saw them during this time walking. The grandfather/dad touched one of them to get the phone, but he didn't see any vehicle on the road that he could identify. Just seems like such a very narrow window of time! I live in a rural area too but one is still always aware of gunshots, especially at least 4 shots fired within 300 yards of my home.
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They were found closer to 5:25-5:30pm. The bridge was a local place where kids often took their rifles to shoot so gunshots were nothing out of the norm. I don't think he touched the girls and he prevented others from disturbing the scene, too. He probably found the cell phone on the ground and did use it call for help immediately.
 
I was thinking about the girls walking habits. Since Taylor lived on the west side of County Line Rd, I doubt they were in the habit of crossing the street to walk with traffic as folks in the city are taught. I bet they just started walking from their side of the street. So, they would be against traffic, if that is correct.

If a person passed them within minutes of their being shot, (again I don't know how LE can deduce that unless the witness did indeed report seeing another car nearby on one side or the other of the girls) I wonder if they were going north or south.

LE's not mentioning what direction the girls were traveling is interesting. I would think that there would be more traffic going north to south because the interstate is that way (the County Line Rd does cross under I-40, but there is not an exit there), the small community of Bryant is just about 2 miles east on 1120, and Henryetta is to the northeast.

So, I am thinking they left going north, but on the west side of the road, probably more in the middle as indicated. The witness was going north to south and would have gotten a good view of the girls, as the moved over to the edge of the road. He had probably passed the criminals around the bridge either pulled over to the side of the road or he did pass them.

I guess it may be possible that the witness was going south to north though toward the more urban part of that area, I-40, Henryetta, etc. and saw the perps on the other side of the road as they were going south. I wonder if the witness' car spooked the people and they tore off down the road and the girls just scared them.
 
Its possible the cellphone had been dropped on the road, thus being found leading him to look towards the canal.
These girls met Satan and possibly his twin. I can see the phone being dropped.
They made them stand there and shot them to compare their guns to see which was better the automatic or the slower gun. Shells piled on the road.
i would still be looking for someone with a history of killing animals.

Also the area does look desirable. You can get a house for 53,000 built in 05 on 5 acres.
 
SeriouslySearching said:
They were found closer to 5:25-5:30pm. The bridge was a local place where kids often took their rifles to shoot so gunshots were nothing out of the norm. I don't think he touched the girls and he prevented others from disturbing the scene, too. He probably found the cell phone on the ground and did use it call for help immediately.
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Imo, he had no choice. He certainly wasn't going to leave them where they lay to go call.

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This story is incorrect, I believe. It was compiled from wire reports and they got it wrong. They are the only outlet stating it and since it is Orlando...I don't buy it.
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Can you elaborate further on your statement??

Is it the news source that you don't believe in or the fact that this is the only news source so far that has said this?
 
EnvoyDriver61 said:
I was thinking about the girls walking habits. Since Taylor lived on the west side of County Line Rd, I doubt they were in the habit of crossing the street to walk with traffic as folks in the city are taught. I bet they just started walking from their side of the street. So, they would be against traffic, if that is correct.

If a person passed them within minutes of their being shot, (again I don't know how LE can deduce that unless the witness did indeed report seeing another car nearby on one side or the other of the girls) I wonder if they were going north or south.

LE's not mentioning what direction the girls were traveling is interesting. I would think that there would be more traffic going north to south because the interstate is that way (the County Line Rd does cross under I-40, but there is not an exit there), the small community of Bryant is just about 2 miles east on 1120, and Henryetta is to the northeast.

So, I am thinking they left going north, but on the west side of the road, probably more in the middle as indicated. The witness was going north to south and would have gotten a good view of the girls, as the moved over to the edge of the road. He had probably passed the criminals around the bridge either pulled over to the side of the road or he did pass them.

I guess it may be possible that the witness was going south to north though toward the more urban part of that area, I-40, Henryetta, etc. and saw the perps on the other side of the road as they were going south. I wonder if the witness' car spooked the people and they tore off down the road and the girls just scared them.
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They do know what direction the girls were going. They were returning from the bridge going South along the West side of the road. Normally, people will walk on the right side both ways not against traffic, but with the flow of the traffic. Of course, not much traffic does mean they could be more in the middle to avoid the weeds.

"Moments before" to me means the witness saw them walking and saw the car approaching the victims. Since he did not see the shooting, the girls were shot right after he was out of sight.
 
It would be very natural to pick up a phone if it was visible. I'm sure he wanted to get help right away. The tragic scene had to so shocking for him that he must have been on automatic pilot.
 
chiperoni said:
It would be very natural to pick up a phone if it was visible. I'm sure he wanted to get help right away. The tragic scene had to so shocking for him that he must have been on automatic pilot.
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I agree.
 
I think the grandfather did what most would do and his first thought would be to "save" the girls. Leaving them and going back to the house to call if he saw a phone would be out of the question in my mind.
 
They do know what direction the girls were going. They were returning from the bridge going South along the West side of the road.
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I did see the article where they were found on the west side and the initial article where they said they were walking back that way. I don't think they went all the way to the bridge because of the time frame. Something made them return back home, perhaps the perps. But something also made them turn back around to face them as they came from the north if they were returning home.

I don't see all this happening if the perps came from the south. I think they were shot sooner in their walk rather than later. As I explained before, I have reasons for believing one scenario over another (thrill kill v. drug/gang related).

Something LE isn't releasing makes them believe it was local and I'm trying to determine what that something might be.
 
SeriouslySearching said:
They do know what direction the girls were going. They were returning from the bridge going South along the West side of the road. Normally, people will walk on the right side both ways not against traffic, but with the flow of the traffic. Of course, not much traffic does mean they could be more in the middle to avoid the weeds.

"Moments before" to me means the witness saw them walking and saw the car approaching the victims. Since he did not see the shooting, the girls were shot right after he was out of sight.
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I humbly disagree with the walking. It has always been taught (in this part of the country anyway) to walk against the traffic so that you see who is approaching and they see you.

Now, this was a dirt road and not normally used for constant traffic. So given that, both angels could have been walking as they chose to on this road. I'm still of the thought they walked on the left against traffic. I believe there is a picture of flowers on one side of the road and a car is parked on the right. It would be helpful for discussion if we knew which way it appeared they were walking before being shot. It would give us all a better idea which way the vehicle was being driven. I hope LE shares that little tidbit.
 
They do know what direction the girls were going. They were returning from the bridge going South along the West side of the road. Normally, people will walk on the right side both ways not against traffic, but with the flow of the traffic. Of course, not much traffic does mean they could be more in the middle to avoid the weeds.
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How has it been determined that the girls had been at the bridge and were then returning from it??
 
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