Social & economic costs

[J. J. in Phila]

http://www.police.psu.edu/cleryact/
http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...t-penn-state-remains-troubling-trend-1205200/ from the comment section: "Even when someone does report, they're discouraged by the police, by the Center for Women Students, and by Women's Advocates off campus from taking action for many reasons... it's difficult to prove, the trauma of appearing in court is too much to risk, the defense will tear you apart, it's too much work for only a chance at a conviction, etc. Penn State counselors counsel women to co-parent in the same room with their rapist... There's more to the problem than the it being difficult for victims to come forward, there's what happens after they do."

Interesting, but it does not who, in 1998, 2001, or 2003, was responsible for reporting and publishing.

The Penn State policy, until 2011, was a draft policy never adopted.

 

[Twindad]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/396512-report-final-071212.html#document/p110
The info relevant to this conversation starts on page 110, Chapter 8. This only covers PSU, not TSM.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/396512-report-final-071212.html#document/p110
The info relevant to this conversation starts on page 110, Chapter 8. This only covers PSU, not TSM.

The key word there is "arguably." Schultz oversaw the University Police, and it should have been reported. There is also the training issue. McQueary and Paterno were not trained on the Act.

 

[Twindad]

As athletic director, Curley was also supposed to report. I don't know what, if any, training he received. Would the university's Office of General Counsel have been responsible to make sure such training was carried out? The university performed their own audit identifying the need for such.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

As athletic director, Curley was also supposed to report. I don't know what, if any, training he received. Would the university's Office of General Counsel have been responsible to make sure such training was carried out? The university performed their own audit identifying the need for such.

It would ultimately be the president and/or BOT who would make the decision. I doubt it would be OGC and at that time, there was outside counsel.

Curley was suppose to report it to the person designated to report Clery crimes, but there wasn't one.

This was a substantially larger problem than Sandusky. In the Phillips case, for example, there was no coverup. He was arrested, tried, and found not guilty. All of that was in the paper. They just didn't report it under Clery.

 

[Rlaub44]

It would ultimately be the president and/or BOT who would make the decision. I doubt it would be OGC and at that time, there was outside counsel.

Curley was suppose to report it to the person designated to report Clery crimes, but there wasn't one.

This was a substantially larger problem than Sandusky. In the Phillips case, for example, there was no coverup. He was arrested, tried, and found not guilty. All of that was in the paper. They just didn't report it under Clery.

Phillips' alleged assault occurred in 2002, and as it turns out, the University reported under Clery that there were no sexual assaults on campus for that year, despite having reported elsewhere that there were 11 sexual assaults in on-campus residence halls.

The problem was, as you indicated, much larger that Sandusky. Whether the 2002 problem was an unfortunate oversight or an effort to whitewash some campus safety issues is the question.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Legal fees, PR, et c. are now at $27.6 million. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/in...state_says_costs_of_sandu.html#incart_m-rpt-2

With the NCAA and Conference fines, the cost is now $99.6 million. With loss of revenue from television, it may have already topped $100 million.

That is not inclusive of any fines related to Clery Act violations.

 

[Twindad]

http://www.law.com/jsp/pa/PubArticl...erior Court Rejects Penn State's Venue Appeal

http://pennrecord.com/news/8874-nca...n-cormans-suit-regarding-penn-state-sanctions

 

[Twindad]

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/22/172710330/penn-state-officials-take-booze-out-of-state-pattys-day-mix

Listen to the interview of local residents.

 

[Twindad]

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/22/172710330/penn-state-officials-take-booze-out-of-state-pattys-day-mix

Listen to the interview of local residents.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

i don't have a link yet, but TSM's insurance will not cover Sandusky, because he was not acting as an employee.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

i don't have a link yet, but TSM's insurance will not cover Sandusky, because he was not acting as an employee.

Here is the link: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/03/02/3522131/judge-second-mile-insurer-not.html

 

[Rlaub44]

Here is the link: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/03/02/3522131/judge-second-mile-insurer-not.html

This gets interesting. He was clearly acting as a representative of TSM when he met the boys, and his "Big Brother" type relationship that allowed him access to take these boys to bowl games, the Lasch building, and other outings was clearly based on his association with TSM.

I wonder if TSM's missing files contained timesheets for Sandusky mentoring the particular boys that were later found to have been his victims. I assume Dr. Raykovitz must be denying having any knowledge that Sandusky was meeting with these boys at all.

And having experience in a school district myself, I would be willing to bet that Sandusky signed into the office at Central Mountain as being with The Second Mile when asking to have AF removed from class. All districts have policies that outline who may have access to students while the school is "in loco parentis." The district would almost certainly argue that they only released AF to Sandusky because he was representing the agency.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Penn State is is suing its insurance company, for failure to the claims of Sandusky's victims: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/03/05/3526460/penn-state-sues-insurance-company.html

That should make it the $100,000,000.00 scandal.

 

[StellarsJay]

Costs reach $41MM including first fine installment.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/03/jerry_sandusky_scandal_has_cos_1.html
Story says that Penn State website has posted Freeh's contract in response to requests.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The Clery Act penaltize are still out there: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/03/...o-wait-on.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop

They can include a $27,000 fine per violation and the greatest (for not reporting a murder) was $350,000. That might include a reduction in aid.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Sandusky is appealing the decision that homeowner's insurance does not have to pay for his defense: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/03/...ls-insurance-decision.html#storylink=timetest

 

[BigCat]

The Clery Act penaltize are still out there: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/03/...o-wait-on.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop

They can include a $27,000 fine per violation and the greatest (for not reporting a murder) was $350,000. That might include a reduction in aid.

Oops. I linked to this article in another thread, not realizing you had already done so. Sorry about that.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Article on the ongoing impact on PSU: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/in...ater_penn_state_sti.html#incart_river_default

 

[J. J. in Phila]

They are still in negotiations for settlements to the victims' suits: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/in...the_only_news_on_pe.html#incart_river_default

There are thirty victims, some dating back to the 1970's.