Sources: Casey Anthony Intentionally Killed Caylee

[Lanie]

She didn't break her neck- Dr. G (medical examiner) said there was no damage, breaks, etc to the bones of the body- someone can confirm this with a link-

I don't think she broke her neck, but would that even show up? I admit total ignorance on this subject, but I don't think breaking someone's neck is actually breaking the vertebrae. I always thought (not that I spent much time thinking about it) it was more separation of vertebrae, so there might not be evidence on the bones. Anyone?????
Lanie

 

[littlemisslegal]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html?rss=orlpn&psp=news

CLICK ON SLIDE SHOW OF COURT ROOM -GOOD PHOTOS

who were those two giggly girls who could not compose themself when they saw their face on tv??they sat behind Jose in benches. I was waitinnnng for someone to escort them out as judge said no facial expresions from onlookers. they were being obnoxious as i wanted to yell at tv-- who the heck are you two laughing idiots. how did they get front row seats ? i think i will go if those seats are open to anyone --i will not be giggling either!

 

[gardenhart]

Wudge is saying he thinks we are gullible. Like the people who buy swampland from a con artist.

What Wudge neglects to realize is these leaks of info is followed by a doc dump that verifies the info.

Like the FBI agent told CA. The media has been accurate in their reporting.

Just because a story is source based doesn't mean you should be suspicious of the story. Good and true stories are written every day based on unnamed sources.

There are some apparently inexperienced and not very skilled reporters, even sloppy reporters, covering this story. There are also some very experienced, skilled and accurate ones covering it. There have been "facts" reported without verification and there have been facts reported that were true.

Good reporters are not idiots and if a source ever lied to them for a story they would never use that source again. Most people who want to be sources on an ongoing basis know this.

Those of you who live in the local area would be the best judges of which reporters are good ones who can be relied upon to report accurately and which ones are not.

 

[pirate]

If plants were growing through the skeleton, that would mean that the bag was probably somewhat shredded and the remains were exposed to the elements for much of the time they laid in those woods.

 

[ShadowGal]

The interesting thing to me was them testing for poisons on the articles from the house. The hair could be tested, but I believe the best evidence for those will be in the larvae and the maggots they found from the blow flies in the trunk.

Good point. I can only imagine what will be presented in court...shudder to think how this sweet baby took her last breaths.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

No doubt. I can't imagine accidentally striking my child in the head.

ITA but (and this is OT) I remember many years ago seeing a woman on Oprah. She had killed her child - by complete and total accident. She had two toddlers and she went to their room and found they had totally destroyed their room. The curtains had been pulled down off the wall. She was mad, and she picked up a curtian rod. Not thinking she threw the curtain rod AND NOT AT ANY OF THE CHILDREN - just threw it. Well, that rod flew across the room and went straight through one of her children's eye socket, into the brain and killed the child. WOW!!!! That poor woman was destroyed. But, yes in a fit of rage, accidents happened and death can occur.

Not that anything like that happened in this case, it just came to mind when I read your post.

 

[Boston]

Yesterday the State stood alone for Caylee to receive Justice. That made me sad and I began to think about Justice. Now, before you read and prepare for the pounce ... I'm just thinking out loud. We all need to think. Who wants Justice in this case and what is Justice in this case? Most here will say "off with her head that is Justice", "kill her that is Justice" or "let her rot in jail, that is Justice". Is it? Is it that simple? Who really wants Justice? You? Me? We are not principles. Not effected really - we will go on to the next and sadly to the next. Do the parents of Casey want Justice? Not this time I suspect. I don't really know though. Does Casey want Justice for Caylee? Well..! Does Caylee want Justice? You say she does, but does she? Caylee was innocent and loved without requirement. Does an innocent loving child ask for Justice if that Justice is to be measured out against the person or people they innocently loved the most? What is Justice to a less than 3 year old child. I suspect if Caylee could speak it would be for Mercy.

jmhoo

Justice is whatever the "Law" says it is.

We are all governed by "Laws".

If not the "law" of God then the "Law" of the State & the "Law" says....

"Thou shalt Not Kill"

Casey broke that "Law" and now she is going to pay the consequences.

We are a civilized society & we have a moral obligation to make sure that those who cannot speak are spoken for.

Now it's up to the District Attorney Office, or to be more precise, "the People Of the State of FLA", to decide what Casey's punishment should be.

And Without punishment, there can be no Justice.


imo

 

[natsound]

I read the last few pages from this thread, since I have been out and about today and haven't had time to read the whole thread.......

Just stopping by for a sec to see if a link has been posted for the National Enquirer or the Globe being the source being referred to in this article. If the link has been posted can someone please point me in the direction of the link. If a link hasn't been posted here, does anyone know where it has been posted so I can find it.

I skimmed through the thread and didn't see any links, and since I know we are always suppose to post links to things unless they are on the rumor thread, maybe I am just missing where it was posted. ??..

Are you talking about a link to the article regarding the title of this thread? I thought it was in the very first post... clickorlando. It mentions 6 news in the article.

 

[Whisperer]

I believe it was the inimitable Geraldo who first said Gaff tape. I remember rolling my eyes when he said it.

Isn't there a good possibility it was Gaff tape? Amy texted kc about her role missing and thought kc had it. Amy worked in theatre type jobs at times, at least that was her goal.

Gaff tape is used in the theatre to tape down all those cables, etc. You can rip it by hand, much easier to use than duct.

 

[shadow of my mind]

I at first felt it was an accident resulting from extreme rage coming from a person with personality disorder, caused in part from living in a dysfunctional home, that then in a panic used the kidnapping story to cover up her actions, hence the 31 day delay and the disappearing act with her parents.
When the first doc dump came out with the connection to Sawgrass I changed my opinion and felt that Casey had set up a fake kidnapping to extort money from her parents and grandparents and ‘something went wrong’ and Caylee ended up dieing in the process causing Casey to have to abort any plans to get money hence her stealing from Amy as a last ditch effort to make it appear that she was so desperate that she would do anything to get Caylee back. That is the only thing that made any sense out of the manor that was so blatant in using Amy’s checks. That was still in my thinking ‘accidental’ but would be a felony murder and that is why the DP came off the table.
After the second document dump and additional interviews confirming that for Casey life just went on with no apparent remorse and the Fusion pictures being part of that evidence were confirmed that they were after June 16 and not before I had to re evaluate once again and was now at the point that I believed she had long fantasized about killing Caylee and possibly both George & Cindy for the home and any insurance money and had started to developed a ‘plan’ to kill them all.
Something, …the alleged fight, getting caught once again stealing money, her obsession with riding off into the sunset with Tony L. being jeopardized, threat of Cindy going for custody of Caylee…. Whatever it was that set her off caused her to kill Caylee outright without any pre-plan in place which is why she sitting in jail now with the SA saying overwhelming evidence of premeditation.
Even despite my logical thought process over these last months there was still this little tiny part of me that wanted to be wrong. Caylee’s remains being found, in a garbage bag and dumped along the side of the road like common household trash removed any fraction a doubt.

To me there is no ‘I told you so’ in this sad case. There is only the regret that we have had to witness through the statements, the evidence collected and the hard work of so many the loss of a precious child at the hands of her own mother.

 

[HeartBroken]

No way did someone just put her there....Defense better just give up & have her plead guilty to what she did. KC needs to face her life in jail NOW not later! That is sooo sad to read that article..even though I knew in my heart & from all of the reports we already have seen.

Poor Caylee what did she do to her? I pray that Caylee didn't suffer...or realize what her own Mommy was doing to her. It makes me feel sick to my stomach.:furious:

Even though I need in my head - I did not want to believe someone could be so evil! That is pure Evil - to be able to look into her beautiful face and feel other than Love and Innocence is heartbreaking. Do you think they put her in General Population in prison....I hope she pissed off the police enough that she is.....Or accidents that tend to happen in jail...I know that is horrible but, why should she be blessed with a needle!!!

 

[maskedwoman]

Denial? Defiance.

Lies covering up truths, evidence, and important issues do not fall under denial. They are directly in contradiction of denial.

If you are in denial...you do not recognize the truth in order to do those things as you simply do not acknowledge their existence.

Yes! I so totally agree. That family hasn't been in denial at all. Now, sweet Jane who started this thread might have been in denial about what Casey was capable of, but not Cindy.

 

[scrabble]

I cannot imagine anyone ever intentionally doing away with their own child, this is all so heartbreaking.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Yesterday the State stood alone for Caylee to receive Justice. That made me sad and I began to think about Justice. Now, before you read and prepare for the pounce ... I'm just thinking out loud. We all need to think. Who wants Justice in this case and what is Justice in this case? Most here will say "off with her head that is Justice", "kill her that is Justice" or "let her rot in jail, that is Justice". Is it? Is it that simple? Who really wants Justice? You? Me? We are not principles. Not effected really - we will go on to the next and sadly to the next. Do the parents of Casey want Justice? Not this time I suspect. I don't really know though. Does Casey want Justice for Caylee? Well..! Does Caylee want Justice? You say she does, but does she? Caylee was innocent and loved without requirement. Does an innocent loving child ask for Justice if that Justice is to be measured out against the person or people they innocently loved the most? What is Justice to a less than 3 year old child? I suspect if Caylee could speak it would be for Mercy.

jmhoo

It took a long time to understand, but I do feel that the justice we want Caylee to have is much different than the justice that Caylee already has. Caylee is with Jesus, and no matter what happened to her, all is forgotten and she will be forever happy where she is. Nothing on earth could have made her as happy as she is now.
We seek justice in her memory, and I 100% agree, if Caylee could speak it would be for mercy and forgiveness for the people she loved. Not that it makes it easy to think about, but it's my belief!

 

[maskedwoman]

Plant a lie. Have a legitimate news outlet run it. Now the Globe and the Enquirer can refer to the news outlet; e.g., "the Orlando Sentinel reported".

I'm sorry, I don't get the point of that. The Enquirer has consistently been applauded for their accuracy in stories like OJ, John Edwards affair, etc. I can't see them jeopardizing that by duping the Sentinel, who would undoubtedly be pissed and would rat them out. Or are you suggesting the various new outlets are planting false stories with each other just so they can run them? Either way, it doesn't sound reasonable to me.

 

[HeartBroken]

I at first felt it was an accident resulting from extreme rage coming from a person with personality disorder, caused in part from living in a dysfunctional home, that then in a panic used the kidnapping story to cover up her actions, hence the 31 day delay and the disappearing act with her parents.
When the first doc dump came out with the connection to Sawgrass I changed my opinion and felt that Casey had set up a fake kidnapping to extort money from her parents and grandparents and ‘something went wrong’ and Caylee ended up dieing in the process causing Casey to have to abort any plans to get money hence her stealing from Amy as a last ditch effort to make it appear that she was so desperate that she would do anything to get Caylee back. That is the only thing that made any sense out of the manor that was so blatant in using Amy’s checks. That was still in my thinking ‘accidental’ but would be a felony murder and that is why the DP came off the table.
After the second document dump and additional interviews confirming that for Casey life just went on with no apparent remorse and the Fusion pictures being part of that evidence were confirmed that they were after June 16 and not before I had to re evaluate once again and was now at the point that I believed she had long fantasized about killing Caylee and possibly both George & Cindy for the home and any insurance money and had started to developed a ‘plan’ to kill them all.
Something, …the alleged fight, getting caught once again stealing money, her obsession with riding off into the sunset with Tony L. being jeopardized, threat of Cindy going for custody of Caylee…. Whatever it was that set her off caused her to kill Caylee outright without any pre-plan in place which is why she sitting in jail now with the SA saying overwhelming evidence of premeditation.
Even despite my logical thought process over these last months there was still this little tiny part of me that wanted to be wrong. Caylee’s remains being found, in a garbage bag and dumped along the side of the road like common household trash removed any fraction a doubt.

To me there is no ‘I told you so’ in this sad case. There is only the regret that we have had to witness through the statements, the evidence collected and the hard work of so many the loss of a precious child at the hands of her own mother.

That is beautifully written! Can Inmates receive hate mail? or this would probably boost her day in her sick, sick,evil way.

 

[rbrnmw2]

I believe it was the inimitable Geraldo who first said Gaff tape. I remember rolling my eyes when he said it.

It came from an AMY H text message but she was saying KC took her duct tape so she had to use gaff tape for a costume IIRC

 

[Lanie]

This is not new. When the Grand Jury heard the evidence even before Caylee was found, they indicted her on First Degree Murder which means premeditated. OCSO arrested her on those charges and stated then it was premeditated. INTENTIONAL.

Why be surprised at something we already knew to be a fact in this case? If there was not enough evidence, they would not have brought the charges. Now, with the body and further evidence of the timeline, they only have solidified the state's case against Casey. The growth of plants and bug evidence only played the role of determining how long Caylee's body was left in the field where she was found.

I believe the reason they are leaking this information now is due to the motions Baez sought in court yesterday and knowing they are going to have to release certain information out to the media (doc dump).

I can't understand why people don't realize yet that when "sources" come out with this type of information, it turns out to be correct and was intentionally leaked by LE for a reason. This has happened repeatedly in this case and they haven't lied yet. I have had no doubt that Casey killed Caylee intentionally...because OCSO, the FBI, and the SA's Office said she did and they have had evidence to prove it. (I have believed it since I saw the words, "31 Days" tho.)

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

While you and I don't agree on some of the points, I'm with you on this. FL has their Sunshine Laws, and while LE can hold some of the evidence from being released to the public, their hands are pretty much tied on a lot of it. This has been discussed for 6 months. No surprise here.
Lanie

 

[wallflower67]

Is Ch. 6 the only one reporting this? I'd like to know the "sources", but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Thankfully, Dr. G stated there was no trauma to the bones, thus no neck-breaking. Be thankful for small things, I guess, right?

I should know this, since I work in a trauma ER. But I'm not a nurse or a doctor, so I'm remembering pt reports and what they said. When someone's "neck is broken" it seems like the actual bones don't have to be fractured (though frequently they are). the vertebrea can simply be dislocated enough to sever the spinal cord, thus causing death or paralysis.

The spinal cord itself would decompose, would it not? If it was gone, and the bones weren't fractured, could it not still be possible that Caylee's neck was broken?

Does anyone else know about this?

 

[Wudge]

Oy Vey, I have no interest in derailing this thread over a debate of whether the source is true, the FBI is true, yadda, yadda yadda. I know your stance is pro defense. I understand that, heck, someone has to do that job. But are you seriously trying to say here that Casey is innocent and the FBI got it wrong? You know, sometimes defendants really are guilty, and defendants are guilty the day they commit the crime, not the day they are found guilty. This is a crime forum not a court of law.

We could debate this all day long, it's simply too exhausting for me to do so. :blowkiss:

The point was and remains that the source is anonymous. Moreover, this certainly didn't come from the defense.

There's no cause of death. There's no mechanism of death. There's no circumstances of death. There's no reason to think this report is anywhere near reliable.

This is standard high-profile anonymous source pablum for case followers, because "guilty" improves ratings.