Sources: Casey Anthony Intentionally Killed Caylee

[FightTheOstrich]

I was with my Mom and although I hated to lose her, it was something I will always cherish in my memory. She passed so peacefully and my only concern was her fingernails were kind of ragged looking, so while the rest of the family came to my house and the funeral home was coming, I painted her nails. I knew she would not want to be in her casket with unfinished fingernails.

Death is so strange sometimes, so peaceful and quiet. When my grandfather died it was so bittersweet. After he died in his own home w/ a fraction of the family including myself present, we also stayed in the room, my grandmother climbed in bed w/ him, and the rest of us stayed with him until they came to pick him up. Once a family always a family. My Aunt even made my cousin who had racked up some debt while in college destroy his credit cards as an added punishment. We could not leave him, were not ready to let him go. He waited a few hours for my Father and I to arrive and then he drifted from us into the quiet. The most startling thing happened years later when I gave birth to my daughter (now almost 4). I felt the same energy that I felt in the room when my grandfather died. Whatever was @ work, acts the same in death as in birth. It truly is a cycle. I have felt him @ different times in my life and my cousin spent time w/ him while in a coma while I was experiencing dreams where my grandfather was showing me that everything was going to be okay in a special code that only granddaughters and grandpas understand. A couple days later, my cousin woke from his coma.

In any event, forgive my ramble, I ache b/c Caylee was not surrounded by those that loved her @ her end. And now she is in a box, a temporary box, alone once again. I hope she haunts that family forever.

 

[Pink Panther]

she actually created a missing page for Caylee? when did she do that? Where do we need to go to read this???

I've been reading about this case from (almost) the beginning and I've never heard about this...Where did you see/hear this? I think that there may have been a misunderstanding. I don't believe that this is correct.

MOO

 

[suepitzl]

It amazes me at how the investigators can determine it was no accident....:clap: How, I just want to know how? Not that I am doubting, I am just so curious. I want to know everything they know. Impressed 100%.

There has to be more forensics we don't know about, perhaps high levels of a drug or chloroform

 

[JaneInOz]

she actually created a missing page for Caylee? when did she do that? Where do we need to go to read this???

I posted clarification of this some pages ago.

It is *said* that she created a cayleeismissing myspace URL (webaddres)
Before Caylee actually went missing.
People are going off the date hat the My space was created in saying that

Before it was Caylee is missing it was cayseeomarie or something arother

And so was the URL

BUT in myspace You are NOT allowed to change the URL once you choose it

BUT as I said its very possible that it can actually be done, by the my space IT people, and for this particular case of a missing child they CHANGED IT FOR Casey.

So I don't believe she actually did the URL Before Caylee went missing

I believe that is what people have gleaned from the info that my space provide you when you CHOOSE your URL that you MAY NEVER NEVER change it

I think a child missing is a different thing and they DID CHANGE IT FOR Her

 

[FightTheOstrich]

I've been reading about this case from (almost) the beginning and I've never heard about this...Where did you see/hear this? I think that there may have been a misunderstanding. I don't believe that this is correct.

MOO

I maybe mistaken but I thought CA and KC started creating a page for Caylee while they waited for the police or something. Maybe more of an email letting friends know that Caylee was missing. I really don't remember the details but I remember thinking @ the time that it was odd. If my daughter/granddaughter was missing I would ask someone else to complete this task. I wouldn't be able to focus. I might hand someone a camera w/ recent pics of her but I would have other priorities. This came from Cindy if I remember correctly, so it could have been one of her ploys to make them look like good people, working together to find Caylee, like any mother -daughter team.

 

[azwriter]

This week, I stood with my mother as we buried my grandmother. Her last few days were awful, and despite morphine, she did suffer. We prayed for God to take her and end her suffering.
I had a long conversation with our preacher about it, and he assured me, that when my grandmothers feet hit that golden path, all the pain, all the sickness immediatly went away. As hard as it is knowing that Caylee suffered in any way, I am at peace knowing now that when she walked that golden road, she forgot it all.:blowkiss:

So sorry for your loss. This is a beautiful post wrapped in comfort. Thanks for including it on this thread.

 

[JaneInOz]

Death is so strange sometimes, so peaceful and quiet. When my grandfather died it was so bittersweet. After he died in his own home w/ a fraction of the family including myself present, we also stayed in the room, my grandmother climbed in bed w/ him, and the rest of us stayed with him until they came to pick him up. Once a family always a family. My Aunt even made my cousin who had racked up some debt while in college destroy his credit cards as an added punishment. We could not leave him, were not ready to let him go. He waited a few hours for my Father and I to arrive and then he drifted from us into the quiet. The most startling thing happened years later when I gave birth to my daughter (now almost 4). I felt the same energy that I felt in the room when my grandfather died. Whatever was @ work, acts the same in death as in birth. It truly is a cycle. I have felt him @ different times in my life and my cousin spent time w/ him while in a coma while I was experiencing dreams where my grandfather was showing me that everything was going to be okay in a special code that only granddaughters and grandpas understand. A couple days later, my cousin woke from his coma.

In any event, forgive my ramble, I ache b/c Caylee was not surrounded by those that loved her @ her end. And now she is in a box, a temporary box, alone once again. I hope she haunts that family forever.

Just when i had it together *sob*
I was holding it together when the others spoke of their experiences of loved ones and hospital patients dying but you broke me

I was with my Mother when she died from Cancer too, we all were...I cant hear amazing grace anymore without losing it because I sang it to her as she died through my tears,
Its her birthday on the 12th - the very day after mine and it hurts so damn bad...

No one was there to hold sweet Caylee as she passed .......... I understand what you mean..And I understand about the presence at birth and death

*sob*

 

[Pink Panther]

I maybe mistaken but I thought CA and KC started creating a page for Caylee while they waited for the police or something. Maybe more of an email letting friends know that Caylee was missing. I really don't remember the details but I remember thinking @ the time that it was odd. If my daughter/granddaughter was missing I would ask someone else to complete this task. I wouldn't be able to focus. I might hand someone a camera w/ recent pics of her but I would have other priorities. This came from Cindy if I remember correctly, so it could have been one of her ploys to make them look like good people, working together to find Caylee, like any mother -daughter team.

This is true but very different from what was originally posted. I have not seen/read or heard anything about KC setting up a missing person page for Caylee before she disapeared and do not believe that one existed. I do know, from having read about the case, that KC, Caylee and possibly LA, did send out messages on myspace (I think through KC's own myspace page) about Caylee being missing the night of the 15th and into the 16th before KC was arrested. I have my own thoughts about that but they are a separate issue/post.

MOO

 

[Cayleefan]

I always thought that it had to be an accident. I mean, who could kill such a precious little angel like her on purpose? Only a devil could. And she's a devil. I hope they make her pay for what she did, like poor Caylee had to pay. Unbelievable and horrifying to say the least.:furious:

 

[Short_Stuff]

Since the computer searches, I knew it was not an accident. As NG says, you dont give anyone chloroform by "accident"

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Death is so strange sometimes, so peaceful and quiet. When my grandfather died it was so bittersweet. After he died in his own home w/ a fraction of the family including myself present, we also stayed in the room, my grandmother climbed in bed w/ him, and the rest of us stayed with him until they came to pick him up. Once a family always a family. My Aunt even made my cousin who had racked up some debt while in college destroy his credit cards as an added punishment. We could not leave him, were not ready to let him go. He waited a few hours for my Father and I to arrive and then he drifted from us into the quiet. The most startling thing happened years later when I gave birth to my daughter (now almost 4). I felt the same energy that I felt in the room when my grandfather died. Whatever was @ work, acts the same in death as in birth. It truly is a cycle. I have felt him @ different times in my life and my cousin spent time w/ him while in a coma while I was experiencing dreams where my grandfather was showing me that everything was going to be okay in a special code that only granddaughters and grandpas understand. A couple days later, my cousin woke from his coma.

In any event, forgive my ramble, I ache b/c Caylee was not surrounded by those that loved her @ her end. And now she is in a box, a temporary box, alone once again. I hope she haunts that family forever.

Bolded by me..........

You are right it is the same "peaceful, joyful, energy" at a loving death and a birth. I never thought about that before, but am so glad you posted that, because it is such a great description.

And yes, am I saddened by knowing that Caylee went through a frightful unloving death. Just the fact they are leaving her to lay there in box like that is infuriating to me. If that were my grandchild I would not give a d*mn about my daughter, but would get those little bones and give them a proper burial if I had to break in the funeral home to get them.

To me it shows how really little anyone ever cared about Caylee.

 

[mydailyopinions]

So sorry for your loss. This is a beautiful post wrapped in comfort. Thanks for including it on this thread.

Aww..Thank you, my grandmother was indeed a special lady, 84 years old and only sick once in her life, and that caused her death..Had 3 kids in the hospital, but other than that, no health problems until pneumonia hit her last Friday.
I am comforted in knowing that not only mine, but many others grandparents stood at those pearly gates waiting for Caylee to love and cherish. Her death on this side may have been horrific, but her life on the other side is far more valued!:angel:
When I think now of all that Caylee has, it makes her death much easier to deal with, I only wish I would have allowed my heart to realize all of it sooner than this week.

 

[LCoastMom]

Check whitepages here and the people listed at 4701 and 4709

http://www.whitepages.com/search/Re...ity_zip=orlando+&state_id=FL&localtime=survey

Is that one of those sites where you can have the information altered to show what you want it to say?

 

[EasyGruuvin]

I have always thought that Casey intentionally killed little Caylee...The statement that she said to Lee still haunts me "Because I 'am a spiteful bi+++"...I to believe that the forensics in this case will be what convicts Casey....that and the mounds upon mounds of circumstantial evidence that law enforcement has collected....JMHO

I agree with you 100% and always knew it was a spiteful anger and jelousy towards poor little Caylee , and a way to get even with CA for being angry with her, she knew that would hurt CA more than anything in the world. I hear no mention of her being buried in the yard where the dogs 'hit' before being placed in the trunk. We havent heard the complete story yet and it seems a long time before we can.MOO

 

[mommya]

If he saw the girls at all on the 16th. I think it's possible that Casey fled with Caylee the night before after Cindy tried to choke her and they never came back home. That's how most people would react after a violent confrontation. IMO, George told the story about the 16th to enhance the story that everything was hunky dory in the house. "They left like any other day" he claims.

I can't figure out why G and C would lie about the last times they saw or heard Caylee - even though their explanations do not sit right with me.

How could G, for example, have known that some other witness would not come forward to say - I was with Casey and Caylee all morning and afternoon that day - or whatever.

Unless they knew the truth and were covering - I don't know why they thought their lies would help.

 

[Lanie]

The swimsuit, if it exist would prove GA was lying about seeing them on the 16th.

Not if some of these other posters are right and Casey put Caylee in her swimsuit on the 16th after George left.

However, to clarify, I don't believe Caylee's death had anything to do with the pool. I don't believe it was an accident. If it was on purpose, the only reason to go to all the trouble to drown Caylee in the pool would be to make it look like an accidental drowning. It would be so much easier to just drown her in the tub, or even a sink full of water, plus you have the cover of being inside the house.
Lanie

 

[Lanie]

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before or this thread has somehow spun out into something else, but if the words overwhelming indication of intentional death are not some reporter's interpretation, I am thinking that only one thing could forensically prove this.

Duct tape over the skull or fingerprints on the tape does not necessarily indicate intentional death in that the tape could have been placed there post-mortem to imitate a kidnapping. IMO the only evidence to show it was intentional is if somehow there was evidence on the tape, however slight, of Caylee being alive while it was placed there - such as vomit perhaps. If there is any indication her head was taped while she was alive then I think that would rule out any fake kidnapping or accidental death scenario. Since actual COD was not determined by the autopsy, then perhaps either some microscopic forensic evidence of bodily fluid that would ONLY have occurred if she was living at the time the tape was placed would indicate that she had not yet expired. Any other fiber evidence (from bedding, etc.) might indicate suffocation, but could have also been easily transferred to tape. Same with any other crime scene evidence that may have led back to the Anthony house - it might identify KC as the killer, but not prove it was intentional. IMO

We have heard duct tape over the mouth, and duct tape on the bag. What if a bag was placed over Caylees head, and duct taped into place? Enough exposure to the elements could cause the bag to disentegrate some. When RK poked the bag and the skull rolled out, the skull could have still been caught up somewhat in the bag and duct tape, making it appear the duct tape was around the mouth.
I can even throw the chloroform into this, as she could have used it to knock her out so she could tape the bag over her head and she would suffocate without a struggle.
Lanie

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Me too, blupencl. I will have to see all the evidence at trial to be convinced that it was definitely KC and not a different perpetrator. But I know what you mean, I always thought the most likely scenario was an accident, but the tape on the mouth when the body was found does mean to me that someone murdered her. It's just hard to believe. Many things make me think there's a decent chance that it was not KC, but someone did it, and that's bad enough.

JOE EPISCOPO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You can never require the state to prove a motive because then you could never prove senseless killings. But motive, accident, it doesn`t matter. She committed aggravated child abuse the way she took care of this child. And all they have to do is prove that resulting in a death, you`ve got first-degree murder. Why agonize over premeditation when you have a much easier way to prove the case?

 

[JaneInOz]

I maybe mistaken but I thought CA and KC started creating a page for Caylee while they waited for the police or something. Maybe more of an email letting friends know that Caylee was missing. I really don't remember the details but I remember thinking @ the time that it was odd. If my daughter/granddaughter was missing I would ask someone else to complete this task. I wouldn't be able to focus. I might hand someone a camera w/ recent pics of her but I would have other priorities. This came from Cindy if I remember correctly, so it could have been one of her ploys to make them look like good people, working together to find Caylee, like any mother -daughter team.

There are TWO my space pages

Which the URL IS http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

And

www.myspace.com/kayseeomaree

 

[Trapshooter]

JOE EPISCOPO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You can never require the state to prove a motive because then you could never prove senseless killings. But motive, accident, it doesn`t matter. She committed aggravated child abuse the way she took care of this child. And all they have to do is prove that resulting in a death, you`ve got first-degree murder. Why agonize over premeditation when you have a much easier way to prove the case?

:clap: :clap: :clap:

That is EXACTLY what Episcopo said! Bravo Turbothink! ITA!!!!!!