South Africa - Martin, 55, Theresa, 54, Rudi van Breda, 22, murdered, 26 Jan 2015 #2

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They act as if they have all the time in the world. :pullhair:
 
But Botha and Combrink will love it. They'll be getting paid whether they in court or across the road in a coffee shop.
 
Hate to say it but ....OISA!! Imaging how clogged up the court system must be!
 
JanetElaine said:
First post, but have followed along with this case. Quotes in this post respectfully snipped by me, thank you for the transcription JudgeJudi.

Bold also by me.





I really want this guy to play the lottery for me. Henri's got to be the luckiest guy ever. He shouted for help from the bathroom, but the vicious attacker was unconcerned with that, and kept on attacking Rudi. Yet when Theresa a little while later yells "whats going on?" the attacker immediately up and leaves to attack her. Alright, I guess it's possible the attacker was more worried about a middle aged woman than a muscular young man.

It gets even better with his luck though, because while the intruder was attacking Rudi, after shouting for help, Henri went back into their bedroom. He had to have done so, because he says his dad came into the room, plus the next part of his story is told from a viewpoint inside the bedroom. (So Henri should be capable of remembering whether he stayed in the same position during the attack on Rudi, since he went into the bedroom). The attacker didn't even pay attention to Henri, but immediately attacked Martin when he came in later. Henri was still in the bedroom when Theresa shouted out, and he watched the attacker leave the room. He was still apparently standing around when the intruder subsequently came back into the bedroom and finally paid attention to Henri, who was then able to easily disarm him and scare him away (I don't see anywhere if Henri also said 'boo' to the intruder to make him flee).

Then in the picture of his injuries - I see no bruises from his severe fall down the stairs. My 8 year old fell off a longboard (standing still) yesterday and his elbow and lower arm are black and blue. It looks horrible. I wish he bruised like Henri!

I guess you can say I'm having a few doubts about Henri's story. And I hope I won't get a flogging from the mods for the sarcasm. :couch:
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:wagon: Nice to see you here. Always good to have new input.
 
JudgeJudi said:
Part 3

I saw the attacker near the middle landing of the flight of stairs. I am not a fast runner and did not think I would be able to catch him. I then threw the axe at him. I cannot recall exactly where I was on the stairs when I threw the axe. I also did not see where or what the axe struck.

During my pursuit of the attacker, I lost my footing and fell down the stairs. I do not know what made me fall but my fall was quite severe. I got up and moved towards the kitchen area. I saw that the kitchen door was open. At that stage, I did not know how many persons had been in the house but there must have been at least two.

I went out the back door only far enough to look down the side wall of the house. I could not see anyone and went back inside the house. I then realised that I had my phone on me in the pocket of my sleeping shorts. Although I have no independent recollection thereof, I assume that I must have placed my phone in the pocket of my pants when I got up from the toilet.

15:51
I wanted to call the emergency services but I had no idea of the number. I then tried to call my girlfriend Bianca but could not get hold of her. I cannot recall whether it rang or whether it went straight to voicemail. I also tried to Google the emergency number on my phone. I recall seeing that the light of the downstairs study was on.

I started going up the stairs and could hear Rudi in the bedroom. As I moved past the middle landing of the stairs, towards the top, I saw Marli moving about on the top landing lying next to my Mum. My Mum was not moving. The last thing I recall seeing is Marli and my Mum. I then lost consciousness. I am unsure whether it was due to the shock or to the injuries that I sustained when I fell down the stairs or a combination of both.

I later woke, lying on the stairs. I am unsure how long I was unconsciousness but from the light outside I could see that it was already light. Initially I was disorientated and not at all sure that what I remembered was real. I then saw Marli move. She was lying next to my Mum on the landing upstairs. I could also hear what sounded like Rudi making gurgling sounds in the room. I also recall seeing blood on the vertical side of one of the stairs where I had lain. I assumed that this must have been my own blood.

[17.24 Several seconds missing] the stairs. I went down the stairs and picked it up because I wanted to phone the ambulance. I looked at the emergency numbers on the fridge door but they did not appear to me to be of any assistance. I then found an emergency number on my mobile phone and tried calling that number from my mobile phone. I am unsure exactly how many times I tried calling but from my cell phone records provided by the State it appears that I tried calling the number twice, both times unsuccessfully.

I then decided to call the same number on my landline from the cordless telephone that was lying on the kitchen counter. At that stage I was panicking. I was concerned that if I panicked on the phone, I would not be able to successfully communicate with the operator. I then lit a cigarette in the kitchen to try and remain calm whilst I was dialling the emergency number on the landline from the cordless telephone and got through to the operator.
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Excellent JJ. What a cr*p story his is. I will scream if he gets off.
 
Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 2m2 minutes ago @TimesLIVE

#VanBreda

We are back! JUDGE Desai gets us underway with a warning to State Adv. Galloway to tell Adv. Botha when she has new evidence.
now we are listening to a new witness: an emergency medical doctor, Mrs van Zyl, from Vergelegen medi-clinic.
Van Zyl saw Henri when he came in after the murders. VZ was head of emergency unit.
Van Zyl reads from her report of Henri's visit. VZ had to check his wounds for possibly stitches.

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en
 
Love it. I know Galloway shouldn't do it but it means Botha doesn't have days to think up his defence.
 
Michelle van Zyl is a medical doctor specialising in emergency medicine. She previously worked at Vergelegen Mediclinic.

She was on duty on 27 January 2015.

She saw Henri van Breda at 20:25, he asked that one of his wounds be examined for possible stitches. He came in with a friend.

Adv Botha says whatever Henri said to Dr Van Zyl during his visit would be confidential due to doctor-patient confidentiality.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-triple-axe-murder-trial-day-15-20170522
 
Aarti Narsee‏ @ajnarsee 8m8 minutes ago #eNCA

https://twitter.com/ajnarsee?lang=en

Galloway explains the reason for delay, copy of evidence from witness was needed
State calls witness 35, Michelle van Zyl, medical doctor
Van Zyl: in 2015 worked for Vergelegen mediclinic


Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 4m4 minutes ago @TimesLIVE

Judge asks if doctor is allowed to testify on a patient's injuries due to confidentiality issues.
Defence Adv. Botha states Van Zyl should not speak about conversations had but has no problem with DR speaking about examination.
Judge allows it but tells Galloway to be careful of confidentiality issues.
Henri and his friend arrived together at medi-clinic for possible stitches. DR says Henri was fully aware & could talk.

Dr says Henri's wounds were not deep enough for stitches. Dr used clips to treat wounds. He was discharged later that day.

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en
 
Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 2m2 minutes ago @TimesLIVE

Henri was very friendly & 'nice' when she treated him in morning but later in the evening when he returned for a check up, he.was very short with Dr very agitated. Dr was surprised by this...

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en


Aarti Narsee‏ @ajnarsee 4m4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/ajnarsee?lang=en

Van Zyl: Henri wasn't so friendly when the police came around #eNCA

(i wonder why :/)
 
The second time he wasn't so friendly, jovial when I saw him the first time. He was very formal. Still 100% orientated.

[He was jovial when she first saw him????]

She had no idea what had happened that morning.

She reported that both eyes were swollen, left was worse and skin had discoloured.

She explains that some wounds take a while to form. It can develop later because it wasn't too deep or too hard.

Dr Van Zyl says she saw no indication of concussion.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-triple-axe-murder-trial-day-15-20170522
 
JudgeJudi said:
The second time he wasn't so friendly, jovial when I saw him the first time. He was very formal. Still 100% orientated.

[He was jovial when she first saw him????]

She had no idea what had happened that morning.

She reported that both eyes were swollen, left was worse and skin had discoloured.

She explains that some wounds take a while to form. It can develop later because it wasn't too deep or too hard.

Dr Van Zyl says she saw no indication of concussion.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-triple-axe-murder-trial-day-15-20170522
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Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JudgeJudi said:
The second time he wasn't so friendly, jovial when I saw him the first time. He was very formal. Still 100% orientated.

[He was jovial when she first saw him????]

She had no idea what had happened that morning.

She reported that both eyes were swollen, left was worse and skin had discoloured.

She explains that some wounds take a while to form. It can develop later because it wasn't too deep or too hard.

Dr Van Zyl says she saw no indication of concussion.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-triple-axe-murder-trial-day-15-20170522
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Botha isn't going to like that last one. No siree.

As for jovial, it chimes in with his giggling, and the laughing axe-man.
 
Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 1m1 minute ago @TimesLIVE

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en

Dr report :L abdomen laceration of 1,5cms, not actively bleeding. Scratch marks:L forearm-3cm long;L chest-6cm long;R chest-8cm long
there was also small puncture wound on L chest. Swelling around eyes.
Galloway asks if Henri had any brain damage. Dr says absolutely not.

Defence Botha takes over with cross examination of Dr.
Dr states she did not do a forensic examination of Henri, Dr simply did a check to treat him.
Botha running through Drs report. Dr did not prescribe pain medication.

(Botha going to make something of this?!)
 
Adv Botha cross examining.

When he was brought in the second time, police said he was a possible suspect in a murder case.

[Aha, that's why he wasn't a happy chappy]

Left forearm, she noted three scratch marks. Dr Albertse noted four. Dr Van Zyl says she possibly could have missed it the fourth one

[because it was so miniscule]

Left forearm, she noted three scratch marks. Dr Albertse noted four. Dr Van Zyl says she possibly could have missed it the fourth one

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-triple-axe-murder-trial-day-15-20170522
 
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