South Hadley,MA Phoebe Prince 15 kills self over bullying #2

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Disgusting. I'm glad Darby was able to get the story out there. I wouldn't have known about it had a local radio station not picked up on it out here and talked about it.
 
WaddupYo said:
He's calling Phoebe's mom a liar!

South Hadley, Mass (WWLP) - Superintendent Gus Sayer told 22News Phoebe's mother claims she contacted the South Hadley High School twice to tell the school about the bullying problem her daughter was facing, but Sayer says he has yet to find any record of such an exchange within the system.

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/'2-groups-of-students'-bullied-prince
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Wow, waddup! We need to spread word of that! If you haven't, would you please post this link on our media thread?
 
from that link...

Superintendent Sayer says Principal Smith reprimanded one group of students for bullying Phoebe Prince on January 7th, one week before she died, but the problem was, there was a second group of students that no other students came forward to tell the school system about, until the day after Phoebe took her own life.
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I figured they'd try this. I posted such on our 1st thread. But it doesn't wash.

IMO There are many instances, pointed out in the statement of facts, that show Teachers SAW what was happening between the beginning of school in Jan and the 14th. WHY didn't they stop Sharon in the cafeteria? 2 teachers saw it, per the report. WHY didn't they stop it in the library? A faculty SAW it and DIDN'T report it until AFTER Phoebe died. Why didn't they know about the class picture, days before Phoebe died, on which Phoebe's pic was defaced? A teacher was told who eventually took it down. Why didn't they do more in the nurses office that day, when Phoebe was sent home crying? I call bull.
 
Cosby also told King that he could not believe that Prince's teachers in South Hadley High School, Massachusetts had failed to address what was happening to her.

'I don't know if shocked is the word as - as much as I just did not believe,' said Cosby. 'I don't believe that you can take a job as a teacher, as a superintendent, as a principal and - and not recognize, when you're being told by parents,' he added.

King reminded Cosby that all of Prince's teacher's and administrators said they had no idea the bullying was going on. Cosby dismissed this idea and highlighted his own successful experience in dealing with school bullies in the past.

'You see, for instance, when our daughter Erica had a problem, she reported it to us. Mrs. Cosby then went to the school. The school immediately - and Erica is maybe seven, eight years old - immediately brought the parents in of the child who was doing the bullying. And it - it worked.'

The contrast between the Cosby families' experience and Prince's could not have been more stark.
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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Bill-Cosby-lashes-out-at-Phoebe-Prince-bullies-90830324.html
 
Paladine said:
IMO: I THINK what has happened is the school committee has pulled a fast move. They needed to stop O'Brien, they saw what an effect O'Brien was having as the unofficial spokesperson for the Prince's. Dr. Phil was crushing for them, I'd bet, yet so good for the Princes. They we're able get Phoebe's story out there without having to commit to it being OFFICIALLY from them. If the Princes had an qualms about O'Brien acting as their unofficial spokesperson, I'd bet they would have spoke up.

So...the school committee calls the Prince's Attorney and asks if O'Brien is the spokesperson. Naturally, imo...the attorney said, no. So, they call him an impersonator! Smooth but transparent, to me. They want to cut his support off before the meeting tonight. Shameful, imo.
http://www.masslive.com/metrowest/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-25/1271229379245540.xml&coll=1
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Personally, I feel that his statements & activism carry more weight as a concerned member of the community, rather than as a spokesman for just one family, anyway. He's addressing issues that the community should have dealt with long before Phoebe even moved to town, I think.
 
MaureenN said:
Personally, I feel that his statements & activism carry more weight as a concerned member of the community, rather than as a spokesman for just one family, anyway. He's addressing issues that the community should have dealt with long before Phoebe even moved to town, I think.
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Yeah I agree. I thought originally he had previously known the Prince family, or may be related due to his last name. However I believe an article pointed out that he contacted Kevin Cullen to get Phoebe's story out and then the Prince family called to thank him and that's how it started. I think that's how the story went, anyway. But yeah, it definitely holds more weight then if he was just a hired spokesperson. Also I believe he has a daughter that attends SHHS, so he's also a concerned parent.
 
Hi everyone, WS has been such a busy place over the past few days but Phoebe hasn't left my mind. The new sub forum is great.....thanks JBean!

If anyone has photo's saved since the start of the case and is good at posting pictures, (all I can seem to do is get a thumbnail to post) maybe we could get a images thread going. I think this will be okay as long as we stick to only posting case players and such. Also, I haven't been following the case as well as you all or I would do it, but maybe a listing of the case players would be great to have for reference as well. :blowkiss:

I think I read that JBean said this thread would be closing soon, I think she wants everyone to not be shy and really branch out with the topics!
 
MaureenN said:
Personally, I feel that his statements & activism carry more weight as a concerned member of the community, rather than as a spokesman for just one family, anyway. He's addressing issues that the community should have dealt with long before Phoebe even moved to town, I think.
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I agree, Maureen. But it's the quotes that accuse him of "impersonating" that, imo, are an attempt to discredit him, make him look like a phony, a fake... I find it repulsive and manipulative.
 
elle1919 said:
Hi everyone, WS has been such a busy place over the past few days but Phoebe hasn't left my mind. The new sub forum is great.....thanks JBean!

If anyone has photo's saved since the start of the case and is good at posting pictures, (all I can seem to do is get a thumbnail to post) maybe we could get a images thread going. I think this will be okay as long as we stick to only posting case players and such. Also, I haven't been following the case as well as you all or I would do it, but maybe a listing of the case players would be great to have for reference as well. :blowkiss:

I think I read that JBean said this thread would be closing soon, I think she wants everyone to not be shy and really branch out with the topics!
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Hey, elle :) I only know how to post thumbnails, too. Anybody out there good with pics? Image thread is a great idea...before all the images disappear.

A few thoughts from my unorganized mind...;)

And, yes, maybe we could start threads on all the perps, with any info we find on them...?

Also maybe a thread on the officials, school committee members....Biosselle, Smith and Sayer....?

And a crime scene thread...? A thread for the day that Phoebe died, maybe...? With info about her death, we have alot of questions around that...

I am not good at organizing, I'll be frank. It's not in my genes. ;) I await others thoughts....

ETA: still having computer difficulties...I am going to be slow today. :(
 
Education Department Touts New Civil Rights Enforcement Efforts, But Will Not Investigate Suicide of Bullied Student
Wednesday, April 14, 2010
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

But when asked by CNSNews.com following the speech if her office was investigating the Jan. 14 death of Phoebe Prince, an Irish immigrant who hanged herself after being bullied for weeks by nine teens, Ali said no – even though some of the suspects are charged with violating Massachusetts civil rights statutes.

“Yes, it appears that there were some civil rights issues -- national origin and discrimination under Title IV,” Ali said.

“It’s hard to know, but we have offered to provide technical assistance to the school,” Ali added. “We’re going to let the criminal case, the state-level criminal cases play out, but we’ll be watching closely and do whatever we can to make sure the culture of that school that gave rise to that tragedy gets changed.”

When asked again if her office was investigating the case, she said it wasn’t: “We have not launched,” Ali said. “The state is investigating and prosecuting criminally – it’s investigating both the perpetrators of the bullying but also the school itself.

“So we’re watching and we’re working with local officials but we have not launched an investigation and as of right now don’t plan to,” Ali said. “We’ll see what happens with the state.”
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64104
 
Paladine said:
Education Department Touts New Civil Rights Enforcement Efforts, But Will Not Investigate Suicide of Bullied Student
Wednesday, April 14, 2010
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

“The state is investigating and prosecuting criminally – it’s investigating both the perpetrators of the bullying but also the school itself.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64104
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Interesting... these sorts of things don't always mean anything, but here is somebody that theoretically has an interest (job/position related) in the case.
 
elle1919 said:
If anyone has photo's saved since the start of the case and is good at posting pictures, (all I can seem to do is get a thumbnail to post) maybe we could get a images thread going.
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I've copied about every picture of Phoebe I've come across so I could give it a try if a pictures thread is created.
 
thebear14 said:
yeah - I believe it was totally impulsive. However the fact that she came home, plugged in her phone, was apparently texting, used the scarf her sister gave her for xmas, and had to know that either her sister or her mom but most likely her little sister would find her...just doesn't add up. If she came straight home and was just in such a bad mental state that she did it I would understand better, but the fact that it seems she was home for a bit, even just 10 or 15 mins just seems strange. Plus she was talking with someone who must have been a friend as she was talking about what had happened that day. why even bother telling someone? idk - I also agree that something else may have happened to set it off. sorry if this is just a repeat of everything that's already been said ;)
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It just occurred to me that in the long run we are more likely to learn about Phoebe herself from the defense (the bullies lawyers) because they and the school administration so far appear to be heading toward tearing her up to deflect attention from their side.
 
Uhm why did it take LE to over 25 min to show up to Prince residence? Isn't this a small town?
 
Oh yeah! I am on my twitter now searching Phoebe Prince...lots of info soon!
 
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