Starting over again - Brainstorm session

[kageykaren]

I would love to know and I feel it is vital to the investigation of Lindsey that we know what adult or adults JB became close to at the beginning of summer.

 

[SailorMoon]

Where is this girl?? Why isn't more being done to find her??? Sad..so sad.

Sorry meant to be in general thread...but I'll leave it as I don't get these kids vanishing without a trace.

 

[ClueMan]

Something I would like to throw in to the mix that I have not seen given a lot of thought to (and I hope LE and the FBI have considered in their infinite wisdom) is McCleary's proximity to I-5.

Hwy 108 which passes through McCleary as a short cut to Hwy 101 and Shelton is a very well traveled road with the Little Creek Casino at the other end and could possibly have served as the route in to town by LB's abductor(s) if they were not from McCleary.

In the 45 minutes that passed from the last time LB was seen to when MB began her foot search the abductor(s) could have easily reached I-5 via Olympia or Grand Mound.

In the over one and a half hours before MB called LE the abductor(s) could have reached about half way between here where I live in Raymond and Astoria, gotten well south of Chehalis or even made it to nearly I-90 to the north. If you recall the Hwy 16/I-90 area was used by both Ted and Green River Gary.

Then of coarse there is the hundreds if not thousands of miles of logging roads not just around McCleary but all over southwest Washington.

Just some foiod for thought that I pray to God is wrong.

 

[JenniferO]

Somethings I would like to throw in to the mix that I have not seen given a lot of thought to (and I hope LE and the FBI have considered in their infinite wisdom) is McCleary's proximity to I-5.

Hwy 108 which passes through McCleary as a short cut to Hwy 101 and Shelton is a very well traveled road with the Little Creek Casino at the other end and could possibly have served as the route in to town by LB's abductor(s) if they were not from McCleary.

In the 45 minutes that passed from the last time LB was seen to when MB began her foot search the abductor(s) could have easily reached I-5 via Olympia or Grand Mound.

In the over one and a half hours before MB called LE the abductor(s) could have reached about half way between here where I live in Raymond and Astoria, gotten well south of Chehalis or even made it to nearly I-90 to the north. If you recall the Hwy 16/I-90 area was used by both Ted and Green River Gary.

Then of coarse there is the hundreds if not thousands of miles of logging roads not just around McCleary but all over southwest Washington.

I brought up the same exact things in the very beginning. I'm sure LE and the FBI have thought about this.
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I think this was a local and he's put her body someplace close by. More than likely somewhere out in those hundreds of miles of logging roads.

 

[ClueMan]

I brought up the same exact things in the very beginning. I'm sure LE and the FBI have thought about this.
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I think this was a local and he's put her body someplace close by. More than likely somewhere out in those hundreds of miles of logging roads.

I very much agree with the local aspect as those of us that have been to McCleary know a 10 year old could walk from one end of town to the other in nothing flat.

One thing that has been sort of rubbing at me are her MySpace pages. I could see a predator homing in on them. Do we know if she had been exchanging emails with anyone on them?

 

[JenniferO]

FBI looked into her computer use. I don't know if they ever released an official answer to what she was doing online or not.

 

[kageykaren]

FBI has a team from the Forensic Behavioral Unit that striclyt deals with Computer Forensics. This is most likely why these pages are still up. I agree that prebuescent girls like Lindsey should have parents checking these out. It only takes one perp to troll and intice which is why this team looks at every chat connection and those connecting to it. Gotta love these guys. I also feel the perp is someone of a third degree of separtion and knows her family. My only issue is why would law enforcement not act if they new the party or parties to this crime. The only reason I can come up with is their making a case and want to make sure it is solid. Lets pray this is the case and the search Fri. will weed them out and a confession happens. Probably wishful thinking but it keeps me going and remembering FBI aren't slouches when they enter into an investigation. Lindsey has them on her side, some children don't.

 

[Haddie McFaddies Mom]

FBI looked into her computer use. I don't know if they ever released an official answer to what she was doing online or not.

Hi JenniferO ~

Here's what I have copy and pasted into my word document of press releases regarding Lindsey's investigation:

Investigators monitored Lindsey Baum’s MySpace page but said the account has been inactive since she vanished and she left no posts indicating she was planning to leave

Police have checked her MySpace page and the phone numbers she dialed and received on her cell phone without finding any new leads, he said

If you make me, I can probably find the exact articles I copied these quotes from ~

 

[CorallaroC]

Disturbed is a band, but of course we have no way to know if Lindsey liked them or maybe just thought the screenname was cool. It could speak to more than that, but then again...maybe not. I personally don't read too much into their screennames because of experience with my own kids.

I think we should look more at the content of her myspace page with the relationship references etc. They were definitely geared more towards an older teen. Did Lindsey have a boyfriend? Was there an older male in town she was chasing after? Was there an older male paying attention to her? She appeared to be living beyond her years in wanting a relationship and being in love. Was this from watching shows like Twilight or something in her real life which was going on that we are unaware of yet?

http://www.google.com/search?q=The+...ox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA

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Just thought I would mention that one of the songs still shown on Twilight's playlist is called "Down With The Sickness" by the band Disturbed.

I noticed it early in the case, but hadn't bothered to look up the lyrics until today. The song isn't what I would consider a catchy tune, so if she liked the lyrics, then I'm afraid I'm the one feeling disturbed right now.

Here is a link for the lyrics
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric....cs-Disturbed/5ECE8E3D48F8075748256961002B2C5D

 

[kageykaren]

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Just thought I would mention that one of the songs still shown on Twilight's playlist is called "Down With The Sickness" by the band Disturbed.

I noticed it early in the case, but hadn't bothered to look up the lyrics until today. The song isn't what I would consider a catchy tune, so if she liked the lyrics, then I'm afraid I'm the one feeling disturbed right now.

Here is a link for the lyrics
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric....cs-Disturbed/5ECE8E3D48F8075748256961002B2C5D

Funny how some of these cases touch our lives like 3 degrees of separation. The rock band "Disturbed" are one of our endorcers to promote our co. They are nice money making dudes performing an act on stage that does nothing but disturb my older woman senses. The audience they play to are mid teen boys in angst, 20 something males wanting to head bang with girlfriends pretending to enjoy the scene and last the 30 something crowd who say they like it because of the quality of musianship. If they only knew it is more of a Kiss thing to the artist. A band like this would not normally be one a ten or 11 yr. old could funk out to, as you know when listening. This may have appealed to Lindsey because she was watching older teenagers rocking out, mainly boys. I think My Spaces can connect dots to how someone thinks & feels at that given time along with other likes & dislikes in ones life. Good catch!

 

[CorallaroC]

The other thing on Twilight's page that has haunted me from the beginning is about half way down on the left, under the BuddyPoke app. with the dancing emo girls.

June 6, Tw.Fr. says "Hi, how are you"
June 15, Disturbed replies "Good, how are you?"

when you click to see more
May 29, TF is chatting on the phone
TF went ice skating with D
TF watched a movie with D
TF is bumping it to the beat
TF is looking for love
D and TF are gettin jiggy

(May 29th is of course the same day TF was created,
and the day she wrote the cryptic message about feeling
scared.)

Okay, so there's not anything terribly unusual about having 2 myspace
accounts. But logic tells me there is a specific reason why she wanted
the "outside world" to assume TF & D are two different people.

Plus we also have Alice W. on the friend list, also making contact under
the SuperPets app. So far, this person's identity is still a mystery and
is probably a third alias. At least she is not showing Alice's address as
McCleary.

Lindsey is an intelligent girl for her age, IMO. She created these for a
reason. And I think it is because she wanted someone to think she had
a couple of good friends to protect her. At least that is what logic keeps
telling me.

 

[kageykaren]

Bumping this thread for review & sluething. I just finished reading the transcipt of Ron & Don show. One thought that was discussed was a statement of opinion saying others need to be given lie detector test. We hear again a statement by Undersheriff RS that many individuals have been tested in the "criminal" case, 2 suspects offered to immediatly take a test, and to date no one has been cleared officially by LE. Who are the peeps that a radio host would be thinking of after just meeting a group of 40 searchers? It is interesting that we have someone not local that cares about Lindsey and is speaking up about giving someone they may have met lie detector test. This is a question I wish could be answered on W/S. Does this statement mean there is concern that a monster remains active in McCleary? If so why aren't the citiizens holding a town hall meeting of concern and protection for their children? So what alerted a radio talk show host new to McCleary to question if lie detector test need to be given to others and who those others are.

 

[YvonneCares]

I don't know where most of you live but I live close enough to the action
to see how much everyone seems to care about Lindsey (ME INCLUDED).
I have been to searched and have helped and seen the effort to organize and search
for her and in my opinion i see them doing thier best. Everyone is learning more & more as the searches continue and I will guess that everyone who has helped will
continue to help and pray and hold on to thier faith and see this to the end.
And as I have said before we don't know who reads these threads so IMO
I don't think we should put things on here that will help the monster know where we are going next. What do you all think about it?
The FBI & LE can't really tell us anything that would hurt Lindsey's case or Lindsey
and of course we shouldn't want them to do that.
Loving thoughts to all of you for caring so much about Lindsey. (-:
Yvonne

 

[LookN4Lindsey]

Bumping this thread for review & sluething. I just finished reading the transcipt of Ron & Don show. One thought that was discussed was a statement of opinion saying others need to be given lie detector test. We hear again a statement by Undersheriff RS that many individuals have been tested in the "criminal" case, 2 suspects offered to immediatly take a test, and to date no one has been cleared officially by LE. Who are the peeps that a radio host would be thinking of after just meeting a group of 40 searchers? It is interesting that we have someone not local that cares about Lindsey and is speaking up about giving someone they may have met lie detector test. This is a question I wish could be answered on W/S. Does this statement mean there is concern that a monster remains active in McCleary? If so why aren't the citiizens holding a town hall meeting of concern and protection for their children? So what alerted a radio talk show host new to McCleary to question if lie detector test need to be given to others and who those others are.

I just wanted to comment to 3 sections in your above statement:

The Baum family has been cleared according to LE, there are a couple different news stories and LE TV interviews where the Under sheriff has mentioned that the family was cleared and were not suspects. (These can be found by going through the media links provided in the media thread)

Having been at the first search where Don showed up and speaking with Don his concern is not with anyone that he may have met - his concern stems from conversations many of us had with him stating that we "were not sure" if everyone with a connection to Lindsey had been asked to take a Poly. That is still a concern many of us locals and semi-locals have.

As far as to the statement bolded in blue the answer to that is obviously since Lindsey is not home yet then absolutely Yes there is that chance.

 

[LookN4Lindsey]

I don't know where most of you live but I live close enough to the action
to see how much everyone seems to care about Lindsey (ME INCLUDED).
I have been to searched and have helped and seen the effort to organize and search
for her and in my opinion i see them doing thier best. Everyone is learning more & more as the searches continue and I will guess that everyone who has helped will
continue to help and pray and hold on to thier faith and see this to the end.
And as I have said before we don't know who reads these threads so IMO
I don't think we should put things on here that will help the monster know where we are going next. What do you all think about it?
The FBI & LE can't really tell us anything that would hurt Lindsey's case or Lindsey
and of course we shouldn't want them to do that.
Loving thoughts to all of you for caring so much about Lindsey. (-:
Yvonne

You nailed it YvonneCares. People (outside of a select few with absolutely no chance of a connection to LB's disappearance) will never KNOW what areas they intend on searching until and only until they are sent out to search them. This is done for many reasons. I had a long conversation with some powers that be and this is the way that they have to do it. If that makes them appear unorganized to anyone on the outside - oh well. Lindsey is their only concern at this point.

Obviously to outsiders that can be frustrating - I know from personal experience watching things take place - but when you sit down and think of why things are the way they are it makes more sense to you as far as how things are being done and being handled.

 

[YvonneCares]

I also would like to see several people take that polygraph test.
IMO, if they haven't taken one, then why not?
We can call with all leads and concerns too, I DID.
Just wish I would have thought to ask about the above, DARN.
But you all could. Maybe the more, the merrier?
This dragging everything along soooo slow I'm afraid it will get to late!!!
Sorry, but this is just my worried opinion ]-:

 

[TamgMit]

MB stated that LB left her phone at home plugged in when she went to KK house. I have a silly question that just kind of dawned on me. Got to thinking that these days a lot of kids have there own cell phone. Does MK and bro also have there own phones so that they can communicate with friends and family. Does SW also have one for when he goes on the job so that he could keep in touch with family. Was just wondering because KK phone wasn't working when MB tried to call. And if the kids did have there own phones how come they didn't notify MB that her daughter was walking home alone. If that be the case how come MB didn't call the kids phone if she couldn't get through to KK's phone. Would think that their numbers would of been listed on LB's phone.

 

[JenniferO]

KKs children do not have their own phones.
I don't know if SW has his own or if him and KK share. But even if SW does have a phone of his own there was a chance that MB didn't have the number. I know in my own case.. my daughters friends and their parents (usually the mother) has my phone number and not my husbands.

 

[kageykaren]

I just wanted to comment to 3 sections in your above statement:

The Baum family has been cleared according to LE, there are a couple different news stories and LE TV interviews where the Under sheriff has mentioned that the family was cleared and were not suspects. (These can be found by going through the media links provided in the media thread)

Having been at the first search where Don showed up and speaking with Don his concern is not with anyone that he may have met - his concern stems from conversations many of us had with him stating that we "were not sure" if everyone with a connection to Lindsey had been asked to take a Poly. That is still a concern many of us locals and semi-locals have.

As far as to the statement bolded in blue the answer to that is obviously since Lindsey is not home yet then absolutely Yes there is that chance.

I respect your answers, and thank you. My problem with the family being cleared or anyone else is that statement from LE clearing everyone they have tested has not been made officially to the public. There are no news reports stateing anyone is cleared which brought me back to the sheriffs office who stated "No one" has been cleared & this is an open investigation. LE will give an official statement in relation to Lie detector test being passsed friends & family as this helps them and the public move the investigation further on. People sometimes mistake LE wording about Lie Detector Test as they passed when in fact it was stated, "We feel comfortable with the results." This does not mean anyone has passed a test. Sure would be nice if LE would give a statement pertaining to the test so some of us could move forward and possibly away from those central to Lindsey on that day. For all who belong to W/S isn't this the reason we became involved in missing childrens cases, to bring the perpatator of these crimes against children to the forefront, even helping LE catch the criminal. Maybe all these different sites will bring this creep to confessing.

 

[TamgMit]

KKs children do not have their own phones.
I don't know if SW has his own or if him and KK share. But even if SW does have a phone of his own there was a chance that MB didn't have the number. I know in my own case.. my daughters friends and their parents (usually the mother) has my phone number and not my husbands.

Thank you jennifer for the response. I am kind of curious, was LB cell phone one that her mother used also except when LB was out and about so that she could stay in contact with her mother. It wasn't meant for socializing with friends then.