State rests rebuttal case- thread #166

[gloomy]

Y'all don't hate...but just wanted to share that I took the next 3 days off work! I will be on my couch in my pajamas, tv remote in hand to mute HLN, twitter feed on my phone, and live stream and WS on my ChromeBook! I'm so excited, it's RIDICULOUS as I usually have to sneak to watch/listen at work! I may not be able to sleep tonight!

Praying Justice for Travis is right around the corner !

Awesome! Me too...

I haven't been on here in ages!

Can't wait for tomorrow - there is court tomorrow right? :seeya:

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

What I want to know is what happened between may 26 and the day she left town to go kill him. Texts, emails, calls, etc. she must have called him 500 times, if nothing else.

There's so much they kept out!! I want to see it!

Chris Hughes even said on Twitter today he doesn't know what the 5/26 fight was about, and he's seen the emails/texts. The messages didn't spell it out.

By the way, CH will be on the True Crime Radio show. I tried to start a thread for question suggestions, but it hasn't gone through. I have a lot of questions for him.

 

[Ships]

Apologies if this has already been discussed I got a bit behind, but I just wanted to try to clear up something that SunDawnn was querying regarding why some bedroom photos don't have time stamps.

Melendez describes (albeit without complete clarity) what unallocated space (or "unallocated clusters") means with regards to image storage on these sorts of cards. He states that images that are found in unallocated space will often have information missing from them. They may be partial images, or missing some directory info - including missing date and time information. Whilst examining the bedroom photos with JM, he infers the reason as to why some images have no date and time stamps (although not explicitly, which is a shame). Basically he indicates, that if they are found within an unallocated space, they are prone to missing some file information..... so, why are they found in unallocated space? don't know exactly... it wasn't clearly articulated. But looking for a definition of unallocated space, I came across this on a digital forensics site
"unallocated space... where the hard disk will often send fragments of files when files are deleted or removed." So it sounds like some, though not all, files will be moved to that space if they are at some point removed or deleted.

All in all, it seems that the reason why there is missing date and time stamps on a few bedroom photos is because they were deleted, and by some sort of computer/camera/memory allocation 'logic', are moved to 'unallocated space', and therefore have information missing, ie no D&T Stamps.

cheers

 

[MeeBee]

I don't think I have ever seen anyone on this site say they believed those letters. I could be wrong. But I believe the letters just made JA look worse, and had they been allowed, I believe the only questions the jurors would be asking is: When can we give her the death penalty?

There are some in the psych discussion thread. It's why I don't go there anymore. I get sooo angry.

 

[katiecoolady]

Thirding it. My face literally gets hot whenever anyone gives this atrocious claim any sort of weight or credence. It's so blatantly, ridiculously false, yet people here still bring it up as if it it could maybe be true.

That Travis' name will forever be sullied by this, whatever the outcome of this trial is, makes me physically ill. I just have no words.

It's a Farce of Ridiculosity. And it's just not smart. Desperate, but stupid.

 

[Tracey4AU]

And the Technology Award goes to.............:rockon:

KCL! So good to see you here! Hope your family is well and you are taking care of yourself!

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

No I'll buddy, I have never had a friend brutally murdered >snip< And I hope I never do.

Respectfully, the un-snipped portion of your post is really all that matters.

I hope you never do, either. Because your head is spinning, the world is turned upside down, you don't know which way is up and you don't understand why your friend's time ran out and not someone else. And then you feel horrible that you're wishing it was someone else.

You aren't yourself. You don't speak your own mind. You're raw. You have no defenses. You can't imagine someone so devoid of humaneness would come along and rip the scab that's taken so long to form right off your heart.

So, respectfully, until you're trapped in that kind of tidal wave, you don't know what you'd do.

 

[Truth Detector]

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Lots of us here wonder what horrible secret TA threatened to expose in their (late May?) emails/texts.

IMO, something $$$$ related. Something that would shock many people, per TA (including, IIRC, his friends, church, PPL, and her parents).

I read here on w/s the State listed as a witness a financial fraud investigator.

What $$$-related offense could JA have bn involved in?

In cross exam, JM asked her about the last year shefiled US Income Tax returns.
She hacked into TA's email, & soc media a/c's (facebook, myspace).
His bank a/c's? His charge a/c's? His paypal a/c?

But I think it was more than that.
Is it possible, as a PPL rep/agent, she sold PPL policy/coverage to someone and collected the premium (check(s)?) directly from the buyer?
Maybe failed to forward the payment(s) to PPL?
Maybeconverted the funds by depositing the check(s) to her own a/c for personal use?
IMO, poss that TA may have learned of JA's act --whatever it was)just before his threat, but her act may have occurred months before then.


Exposing her for converting PPL funds (if she did) is my hypotheses.
:twocents:

Certainly was an eye-opener when JM reportedly added Suzie Dittman to his witness list. Many were disappointed when she wasn't called.

We know that as a master manipulator JA:

Waited tables only when and where she wanted to, but seemingly not much,
Failed at PPL, but always got money somehow,
Put the touch on Sandy Arias at times, according to Bill,
Admitted that TA paid her to 'clean',
Etc.

What else did she do for money? How did she acquire possessions?

She wasn't above taking others' belongings, like Gramps' .25 cal.

Some have speculated that although she didn't sell many PPL contracts, she may have sold other 'services' remotely or in person.

Blue and/or white collar theft and fraud?

I'd believe it.

Since Chris Hughes was executor of TA's estate, I'd like to know what his examination of Travis's accounts revealed.

Lying, stealing, vandalism, terroristic threatening, fornication, fraud, blackmail et al are all serious offenses (sins) within their church, especially when perpetuated as a hypocritical lifestyle.

Many potential horrible secrets there as defined by their church and applicable law.

Take your pick.

 

[kaydono]

Y'all don't hate...but just wanted to share that I took the next 3 days off work! I will be on my couch in my pajamas, tv remote in hand to mute HLN, twitter feed on my phone, and live stream and WS on my ChromeBook! I'm so excited, it's RIDICULOUS as I usually have to sneak to watch/listen at work! I may not be able to sleep tonight!

Praying Justice for Travis is right around the corner !

I am so nervous. PTSD of that "other" verdict. I need to chill and relax already.

 

[gngr~snap]

as no way would Travis be threatening to tell people about that kind of thing. He wasn't going to go public with a pregnancy story. It was something pretty awful and something Jodi couldn't let him tell.

I'm pretty sure she was trying to "make amends" in her phone calls and messages after that while she was planning to go there and kill him. She probably pulled out all the stops to apologize, throw herself on his mercy, keep him unbalanced enough that he wouldn't do anything until she could get there and solve the problem.

I agree but I do feel it was a BIG LIE...
not fraud or credit card charges...
He could go after her legally I mean come on! What part of
PPL would he not understand?
This was something personal.
Something she could not get in legal trouble for and something
that would make anyone that SHE knew despise her.

I have a few ideas... all involve blackmail and someone paying her to keep her quiet.
moo

 

[GoAskAllie]

Mermaid? :fish::floorlaugh::fish::floorlaugh:

Janine Driver was blathering on and said Jennie Hutt looked like a mermaid.

 

[Ransom]

This is what I have saved, someone posted earlier on here:

Text from TA with no replies from JA in between:
05/26/08 at 07:59:15am

I sent you a response to your dire conversation, that I hope youread because you need to read it. Maybe it will spark human emotion in you, something that only seems to exist when it comes to your own problems. But everyone else is just a part of your sick agenda. By the way, your pic comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a pure *advertiser censored*, even more to the people who know you. You should be embarrassed by it. If he knew what I knew about you he'd spit in ur face. Sow ould everyone else. I have never never in my life been hurt so bad by someone. But why do I even say it because you don't care. It doesn't serve your evilness. You couldn't get off your lazy butt to to read it could you. That's the sociopath (I) know so well. it freakin figures. I don't want your apology I want you to understand what I think of you. I want you to understand how evil I think you are. You are the worst thing that ever happened to me.

Danny Jones:

[video=youtube;R28jzgaDfjc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R28jzgaDfjc[/video]

 

[Tracey4AU]

Awesome! Me too...

I haven't been on here in ages!

Can't wait for tomorrow - there is court tomorrow right? :seeya:

Yay! And court tomorrow "until they finish" according to the judge! Closing arguments start Thursday.

 

[katiecoolady]

Janine Driver was blathering on and said Jennie Hutt looked like a mermaid.

I think Janine had a bit of pregnancy brain tonite. lol

 

[kaydono]

Janine Driver was blathering on and said Jennie Hutt looked like a mermaid.

If Janine said it, or Mark said it, hilarious.
DD said it. Hilarious? Not so much.

 

[Boytwnmom]

I've never heard of non-original letters being admitted as evidence. These days they could have been created in numerous ways. Maybe the law is different in Arizona but that whole letter thing sounded crazy to me.

In my experience authentication of handwriting requires the original for a number of reasons:

...the handwriting expert will likely have a battery of preliminary tests done to check for such things as erasures, changes in ink, age of paper, secondary imprints, and any forms of alteration to the physical document. These tests may include highly sophisticated processes such as infrared viewing to detect chemical erasures and changes in the writing instrument; ultraviolet viewing to detect reflections and absorptions; visible filter viewing to detect ink or other absorptions or reflections; infrared luminescence and ultraviolet fluorescence viewing (electromagnetic techniques) to detect non-visible reflections and absorptions; and side or oblique lighting or electrostatic detection apparatus (ESDA) to detect imprints or secondary impressions on pages under the original. Heat can also be used to double-check some of the previous tests, but it is used infrequently because it permanently alters the document.

http://www.photorestorics.com/article-316.html

In a case like this where suddenly discovered, non-original letters are found by the defendant or her former lovers, I'm not seeing a big problem in not admitting them as evidence.

Thanks for the link to the evidentiary hearing. I'm predicting (again) that the pedo letters will be a big issue on appeal. Jodi represented herself, Juan (apparently) threatened Matt with perjury if he testified about them and at the hearing Nurmi said in open court over no objection that an expert said that at least one of them -- the one that caused Sky to ask about his age preference, apparently -- was found by an expert to "probably" have been written by Travis.

Mark my words

 

[MeeBee]

It's a Farce of Ridiculosity. And it's just not smart. Desperate, but stupid.

In a twist, I feel that is the moment Jodi lost the jury, when she brought up that story. I could be wrong, but if I had to pick a moment, that'd be it. It's just so silly and stupid and makes no logical sense. Not only is it a stupid lie, but it is a disgusting, evil lie to tell about someone you murdered and really, to me, could only have come from the mind of a deviant. Who else would have even thought of making something like that up unless they were?

 

[indicat]

I don't think I have ever seen anyone on this site say they believed those letters. I could be wrong. But I believe the letters just made JA look worse, and had they been allowed, I believe the only questions the jurors would be asking is: When can we give her the death penalty?

I have, I have seen a couple posters who lean towards believing it. It was around the time of the trial that you posted video of. They put much stock in what Nurmi said. Maybe they don't anymore.

Eta: after reading MeeBee's post I guess they still do. But I dont want to give it any more time, Im glad it was addressed.

 

[kaydono]

I think Janine had a bit of pregnancy brain tonite. lol

I know, being pregnant, excuses her from referring to martinez as jose baez two nights in a row.

 

[gwenabob]

No I'll buddy, I have never had a friend brutally murdered by someone that I had said was evil and then take the word of a DEFENSE attorney that my friend was a pedophile and then pass along that information to another "friend". And I hope I never do. Even remotely. That is the issue here.

Travis spent the first few years in a very chaotic, troubled home. It would not surprise me to find out he himself had been molested as a child. What if he had confided information such as that to the Hugheses (or even Jodi) sometime previously? How might that change things regarding the Hughses reaction and Jodi's defamation now? Might one be more likely to believe a person could be a child molester if you knew certain unsavory events from their childhood?

Not making any accusations, just throwing out a possible reason for Sky's initial reaction and fuel for Jodi's last evil act and current evil accusations.