State v Bradley Cooper 04-19-2011

[unc70]

My understanding was that he used the equipment in his 'home lab', not at Cisco?

The forensic copy (using equipment that blocked writing to the source disk) was made at Cisco using Cisco hardware and software.

Don't know Cicso's policy, if any, on this type of thing, but similar things are routinely done within the IT industry. We, for example, have a large collection of older systems and media formats that we allow others to use to retrieve data from ancient tapes, disks, etc. Usually, we do this as a courtesy to those in our community, and would only charge if the effort required were extensive.

I expect that K will call the FBI related witnesses back for questioning on topics that the pros. avoided introducing during their earlier testimony. Probably reworking Ward's reports to avoid the restrictions imposed by how computer and networking expert vs forensics expert are defined foravoid this case.

The whole FBI/national security/protected methods shielding of prosecution "evidence" has become a convenient epidemic. Swear in a local police detective as a Deputy US Marshal on the FBI Cyber Crime Task Force, and magically he avoids all those pesky defendant rights issues. Terror! Terror! Terror!

 

[metafizik]

Wondering with this witnesses track record of moving from job to job and his high opinion of himself if it is difficult for him to get a corporate job and thus he now has his own company?

As a person interviewing him for a job he throws up a lot of red flags. JMO

It is not uncommon for highly skilled IT workers to change jobs frequently. Sometimes it is for more money and some people contract and move from company to company every 2 years or so.

 

[gracielee]

He's been called a loser, said he did his analysis on an etch-a-sketch, was called the driver of the white van breaking into networks, had his voice and mannerisms laughed at, called a name dropper, etc. etc. etc.

C'mon, where's your sense of humor on the van driver. Other than that, how does this differ from JA and HP being called liars and conspirators?

 

[Sailor Bug]

What link are you using..the WRAL link is still test pattern :maddening:

Appeared Kurtz was complaining about the judge and something about jurisprudence(sp) Then Judge said bring the jury in --->then the test pattern is back...not sure what happened Lyndy

 

[cityslick]

C'mon, where's your sense of humor on the van driver. Other than that, how does this differ from JA and HP being called liars and conspirators?

Two wrongs don't make a right. I also don't recall people breaking down JA's appearance, mannerisms, etc.

 

[NCEast]

Appeared Kurtz was complaining about the judge and something about jurisprudence(sp) Then Judge said bring the jury in --->then the test pattern is back...not sure what happened Lyndy

2:13pm and I'm still on test pattern.

 

[momof7]

It is not uncommon for highly skilled IT workers to change jobs frequently. Sometimes it is for more money and some people contract and move from company to company every 2 years or so.

Contract work would make sense, but aren't they considered self employed, not employed by the company?

Kelly

 

[cityslick]

From WRAL

I couldn't get word for word but something to the affect of "your honor has repeatedly violated jurisprudence" ...

 

[Sailor Bug]

It is not uncommon for highly skilled IT workers to change jobs frequently. Sometimes it is for more money and some people contract and move from company to company every 2 years or so.

I hope he signed pilfering contracts with whomever he worked for.:floorlaugh:

 

[Palomine]

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Defence+argues+there+hard+evidence+murder/4638975/story.html

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Detective+admits+evidence+thin+murder+case/4638835/story.html

since only Alberta is really following this story ..these are the only 2 news stories online at the moment for today

 

[GhostCrab]

From WRAL

I couldn't get word for word but something to the affect of "your honor has repeatedly violated jurisprudence" ...

I wouldn't be surprised if Kurtz filed a complaint with the Bar. Gessner has not allowed BC a fair trial. I don't care what you think of BC, he deserves a fair trial just like everyone else.

 

[gracielee]

He wasn't working for Cisco at the time. He used to work at Cisco and had a deal with a Cisco employee to allow him to use the software to generate the report at the Cisco office. It wasn't stolen or borrowed equipment.

So are you saying this Cisco employee did this with the knowledge of their employer, Cisco Systems? The owner of said equipment? That would be like me allowing a friend to use something very important of mine, and that friend then allowing somebody else, somebody I might not *like*, access to my stuff. JMO

 

[Palomine]

It is not uncommon for highly skilled IT workers to change jobs frequently. Sometimes it is for more money and some people contract and move from company to company every 2 years or so.

I have never heard of highly skilled IT workers moving from job to job..if they are highly skilled the company makes it a practice to keep them

 

[RaleighNC]

That is what he said. The Cisco employee that let him use the software supervised him and told him what to do to generate the report.

This is WAYYYYY uncool.

Cisco will be most unhappy that they're corporate tools and employee's time is being used to further a defendant who has pretty much made them look bad in public and they've warned employees internally about even TALKING about this case - and now there's an employee letting defense "expert" use their tools and staff?

Any expert should have known this was not cool. The expert should HAVE THE TOOLS and not have to borrow.

Kurtz was clear that he was not offering his as a forensic computer analyst. He would have known he needed one of those to refute the FBI guy. In my opinion - this was going to be an uphill battle - to show that some files were altered, this was not done on Cisco's network, the PD knew enough to put the search on the PC when they could prove BC was at work, etc. These are REALLY strong allegations. He should know that he needed REALLY STRONG experts - unimpeachable really since the prosecution is using the FBI - and that there should have been more than one - working in concert - network guy to show how network hacking could have occurred and forensic guy to say "here's the proof on the PC" that shows it was hacked.

And I am not of the opinion that someone needs a lot of letters after his / her name to be an expert - for example - I'd concede that Kevin Mitnick was an expert. I also have a friend that got into a little bit of trouble in his younger years and the trouble ended up getting him recruited by the military to help with hacking and other safety nets for the DoD - so even the "good guys" hire folks with, well, let's call them specialized skills. He's since gone on to do quite well in IT Security. I did not see any of these skills in Mr Ward - and to bring in someone who has never been classified as an expert IN ANY TRIAL was a huge risk and simply not good lawyering.

 

[CrimeAddict]

C'mon, where's your sense of humor on the van driver. Other than that, how does this differ from JA and HP being called liars and conspirators?

Good point Gracie!

 

[Danielle59]

Charles ng ..reason why Brad tried to get back to Canada(if not for those pesky friends)
see how long it took them to extradite NG

There is nothing in evidence that Brad tried to get back to Canada.

 

[borndem]

Interesting defense is starting with computer expert, which was last for prosecution.
Will this be the defense's only witness?
Perhaps they think they did all they needed in cross for the medical examiner, the bug witness, and the soil expert.

Who knows? But they did enter evidence during the prosecution's CIC, but that may mean nothing. We'll just have to be patient & see what rolls out.

 

[Madeleine74]

I am an attorney myself, interned in the DA's office in Wake County during law school. Welcome to the forum!

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Curious what you all will do if he is acquitted of these charges. Send a lynch mob after him? Don't know about anyone else here, but my life goes on either way. Nancy's doesn't, either way. A lynch mob? That'd be a lot of effort for one Mr. Cupper. I like to save my lynch mobs for super big important murderers.

Oh and I stopped into court last week and took a moment to watch part of the trial. I would pay to be in that jury room during deliberations. This is QUITE an interesting jury.I too would love to see and hear what the jury thinks when both sides are done.

my responses in red.

 

[otto]

I wouldn't be surprised if Kurtz filed a complaint with the Bar. Gessner has not allowed BC a fair trial. I don't care what you think of BC, he deserves a fair trial just like everyone else.

It's good to hear that from someone that knows the law and if familiar with the case. From a distance, it also looks like something is amiss in this trial.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Serious question: Do any of you who are experienced in the computer field ever have to sign a confidentiality agreement? In other words; Ward worked on the security end. Would he be allowed to share Cisco's security trade secrets? I know he didn't have a security clearance, but he certainly could take away a lot of their information when he left.