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UNC70 - did you say you posted an explanation on the cur/bmp files the other day? Do you remember which thread it was on? This is over my head but I'm trying to understand.
 
ohiogirl said:
Are all of the reasonable doubt posters really thinking that he could have gotten this lucky? or are you just saying that it can't be proven? Come on, tell the truth or shun the devil.
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Feisty little baiter tonite, eh? I think something has to give.

Either A) He did not kill Nancy, and it is one of those rare moments where coincidence and circumstance collide to create a series of unfortunate events, B) He killed her and did the impossible (basically committed the perfect, calm, cool and collective murder, but fell apart on the backside of it all) or C) we are all (CPD and WCDA collectively with us and the general populous) trying to cram a very large Cro-Magnon looking square into a round hole.

I keep seeing words thrown around about his psychopathy and the ones I am seeing repeated the most are WRONG. (Psychologically speaking, he can't be much more than a narcissist) He can't lie about absolutely everything, yet never say he didn't kill his wife and that be held against him. He didn't strike me as charming or particularly suited to get away with anything (like most sociopaths). He was also trying to do the impossible in his own life (have the wife, the mistress and the woman he kept in the pumpkin) and they were both living a lie. Since none of us live fairy tales, you have to admit this is all fairly normal.

As for some of the circumstantial evidence:

The emails he was snooping into. (Okay, so he got rid of the spoofed phone call and everything except a google map search, but left this? Come on. Also, the first words out of the multiple divorce attorneys mouths were A)don't leave the house and B) nothing is a secret now)

The BS spending habits (Equal responsibility and while it was living above their means, it was fairly "planned overspending" with bonuses, etc kept in mind, knowing they had some safety there and with her parents).

He acted odd in the days beyond her death. (You guys keep tripping all over yourselves here, but I think MOST people would act odd with the death of a spouse. Grief does not have a set of circumstances associated with it, or mannerisms, or reactions. It comes in about five forms that are interchangeable and in the end, all a part of the loss)

He didn't talk to the cops. (Neither would I. Not in those circumstances, not under any circumstances)

He lied. (Cause he's a lying liar who lies. Doesn't making him a killing killer who kills.)

He trashed his wife. (Where? He complained about the spending. He didn't want her to leave with the kids, etc. He went to hire a divorce attorney and bounced the check. He clearly knew about the separation agreement because Alice Stubbs testified he did. It was moving at a snail's pace because SOMETHING was being thought of, not because she wanted to run away.)

She called a realtor and said I want out. (Maybe he left her a message and said: Great, there's some new houses over off Brittaby that will be going in this year and some places off Greenstone Lane I can show you ASAP. Not in testimony, but who cares at this point, right?)

He had scratches and marks. (Show them to me. Show me where someone actually documented it.)

He had straw on the floor of his house. (Seen by whom? Officer Hayes? Did no one bring up during his testimony that he is clearly seen standing OUTSIDE his squad car, on the edge of the road in one of the helicopter videos of the body site? Because it is DEFINITELY him. Maybe he brought the straw in.)

The detectives thought he did it. (Great start. That's there job. Now show me something more than a hunch.)

His family and her neighbors were disappointed with his reaction, etc. (Okay. They were seeing this situation from a variety of viewpoints, but none of them seem to have provided a lot of pointed evidence of abuse at all.)

He was a controlling, manipulative @$$hole. (Okay. He controlled her into staying late at the party the night he allegedly killed her after controlling her into going on vacation with her family? Right. You guys have never met a real controlling before then.)

He didn't clean. He couldn't have. The house was a mess. (It was cluttered. Floor to ceiling. Houses don't get like that overnight. They don't get cleaned up from that in a weekend.)

The CPD can't be involved in a conspiracy. (I don't think they are. Nor do I think the Lochmere clan is. I think they all pointed their fingers collectively at him and looked no further. I think it was less conspiracy, more fustercluck.)

They did a fine job investigating them. (I need the glasses you are watching this trial through because this is a nightmare. Maybe I can use them on the mirror when I wake up tomorrow and I will be a pretty princess in the mirror. Did you HEAR the Pearson interview by Dismukes? I am fairly certain that something was missed there, stopping short of did Pearson do it or not. Who in their right mind rules THAT guy out in a murder investigation just weeks before indicting the other guy with equal opp, etc?)

This witness was bad. This witness was good. That guy lied. That girl lied. (None of them have offered up anything additional. The most convincing evidence (Google Maps) comes from a guy who as nervous as they come about SOMETHING.

He didn't call the police that day she went missing. (So? He probably was thinking he'd "impress" her with his mad cleaning skills. I would not call the police til dark if my spouse went missing unless I was told: If I am not back in 5 minutes, call 911)

He knew about the sports bra. And it's color. (No, he didn't. At least, no two members of the Cary police wrote it down the same way. He gave them options.)

He spoofed the phone call. (This is equally as likely as him having had an accomplice. Neither has been proven or disproven.)

He had the technical know how to __________________. (Did he? Because he left a pretty clear trail from himself to various women, no? He didn't hide the email snoop trail? But he remembered to delete all the spoofing evidence and he remembered to get rid of the google search for the body?)

Cary Police was NOT inept at investigating this case. (Really? I don't know who to point the finger at over there, so I'll point it in the air. This was a terrible way to run a case. Period. Mistakes do happen. And they are accepted. They should not pile up on each other and look like a lingering bag of flaming dog poop on the neighbor's porch.) Several people (SH and MH) reported that they were being good copped/bad copped into "agreeing to certain facts" very early on.

I don't believe Cary Police looked further than JP and BC. Could they have went down the wrong fork in the road? YES. Is that reasonable doubt? YES.
 
RR0004 said:
Bless you for saying that...I see very little of her mentioned here...especially as the victim. Nancy was murdered and deserves to be remembered in all of this. I was here when she first went missing and need to figure out when and how this case turned sidewise. So sad to see the victim victimized.
JMVHO
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Yes, I so agree. I was under the impression WS was a victim friendly site. This is my first crime discussion here, and I am disappointed at the callous and shallow treatment of the victim.
 
unc70 said:
Part of the challenge was to share how you did it, at least with me. I can accept that there are many things I don't know or understand. I am not surprised by anything involving MS Windows or IE7. So, what is different in these searches versus those what you got over the weekend?

Second, why are these .bmp rather than .cur? I don't get any of these with .bmp.

I am personally willing to recognize your superior skills, but only with I can validate your actions. Not flame bait to any side.
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I get .bmp in windows 7.
 
johnfear said:
Feisty little baiter tonite, eh? I think something has to give.

Either A) He did not kill Nancy, and it is one of those rare moments where coincidence and circumstance collide to create a series of unfortunate events, B) He killed her and did the impossible (basically committed the perfect, calm, cool and collective murder, but fell apart on the backside of it all) or C) we are all (CPD and WCDA collectively with us and the general populous) trying to cram a very large Cro-Magnon looking square into a round hole.

I keep seeing words thrown around about his psychopathy and the ones I am seeing repeated the most are WRONG. (Psychologically speaking, he can't be much more than a narcissist) He can't lie about absolutely everything, yet never say he didn't kill his wife and that be held against him. He didn't strike me as charming or particularly suited to get away with anything (like most sociopaths). He was also trying to do the impossible in his own life (have the wife, the mistress and the woman he kept in the pumpkin) and they were both living a lie. Since none of us live fairy tales, you have to admit this is all fairly normal.

As for some of the circumstantial evidence:

The emails he was snooping into. (Okay, so he got rid of the spoofed phone call and everything except a google map search, but left this? Come on. Also, the first words out of the multiple divorce attorneys mouths were A)don't leave the house and B) nothing is a secret now)

The BS spending habits (Equal responsibility and while it was living above their means, it was fairly "planned overspending" with bonuses, etc kept in mind, knowing they had some safety there and with her parents).

He acted odd in the days beyond her death. (You guys keep tripping all over yourselves here, but I think MOST people would act odd with the death of a spouse. Grief does not have a set of circumstances associated with it, or mannerisms, or reactions. It comes in about five forms that are interchangeable and in the end, all a part of the loss)

He didn't talk to the cops. (Neither would I. Not in those circumstances, not under any circumstances)

He lied. (Cause he's a lying liar who lies. Doesn't making him a killing killer who kills.)

He trashed his wife. (Where? He complained about the spending. He didn't want her to leave with the kids, etc. He went to hire a divorce attorney and bounced the check. He clearly knew about the separation agreement because Alice Stubbs testified he did. It was moving at a snail's pace because SOMETHING was being thought of, not because she wanted to run away.)

She called a realtor and said I want out. (Maybe he left her a message and said: Great, there's some new houses over off Brittaby that will be going in this year and some places off Greenstone Lane I can show you ASAP. Not in testimony, but who cares at this point, right?)

He had scratches and marks. (Show them to me. Show me where someone actually documented it.)

He had straw on the floor of his house. (Seen by whom? Officer Hayes? Did no one bring up during his testimony that he is clearly seen standing OUTSIDE his squad car, on the edge of the road in one of the helicopter videos of the body site? Because it is DEFINITELY him. Maybe he brought the straw in.)

The detectives thought he did it. (Great start. That's there job. Now show me something more than a hunch.)

His family and her neighbors were disappointed with his reaction, etc. (Okay. They were seeing this situation from a variety of viewpoints, but none of them seem to have provided a lot of pointed evidence of abuse at all.)

He was a controlling, manipulative @$$hole. (Okay. He controlled her into staying late at the party the night he allegedly killed her after controlling her into going on vacation with her family? Right. You guys have never met a real controlling before then.)

He didn't clean. He couldn't have. The house was a mess. (It was cluttered. Floor to ceiling. Houses don't get like that overnight. They don't get cleaned up from that in a weekend.)

The CPD can't be involved in a conspiracy. (I don't think they are. Nor do I think the Lochmere clan is. I think they all pointed their fingers collectively at him and looked no further. I think it was less conspiracy, more fustercluck.)

They did a fine job investigating them. (I need the glasses you are watching this trial through because this is a nightmare. Maybe I can use them on the mirror when I wake up tomorrow and I will be a pretty princess in the mirror. Did you HEAR the Pearson interview by Dismukes? I am fairly certain that something was missed there, stopping short of did Pearson do it or not. Who in their right mind rules THAT guy out in a murder investigation just weeks before indicting the other guy with equal opp, etc?)

This witness was bad. This witness was good. That guy lied. That girl lied. (None of them have offered up anything additional. The most convincing evidence (Google Maps) comes from a guy who as nervous as they come about SOMETHING.

He didn't call the police that day she went missing. (So? He probably was thinking he'd "impress" her with his mad cleaning skills. I would not call the police til dark if my spouse went missing unless I was told: If I am not back in 5 minutes, call 911)

He knew about the sports bra. And it's color. (No, he didn't. At least, no two members of the Cary police wrote it down the same way. He gave them options.)

He spoofed the phone call. (This is equally as likely as him having had an accomplice. Neither has been proven or disproven.)

He had the technical know how to __________________. (Did he? Because he left a pretty clear trail from himself to various women, no? He didn't hide the email snoop trail? But he remembered to delete all the spoofing evidence and he remembered to get rid of the google search for the body?)

Cary Police was NOT inept at investigating this case. (Really? I don't know who to point the finger at over there, so I'll point it in the air. This was a terrible way to run a case. Period. Mistakes do happen. And they are accepted. They should not pile up on each other and look like a lingering bag of flaming dog poop on the neighbor's porch.) Several people (SH and MH) reported that they were being good copped/bad copped into "agreeing to certain facts" very early on.

I don't believe Cary Police looked further than JP and BC. Could they have went down the wrong fork in the road? YES. Is that reasonable doubt? YES.
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I am feeling it tonight. Go figure.
Reasonable doubt, that is debatable. I am not on the jury. It remains to be seen what they think.

Truthfully, I think they are bored to death and will come back with a hung jury because of all the confusion that has ensued. jmo and my rightful jmo
 
ohiogirl said:
Who is on trial here, BC or Cary PD?
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I have to say it seems part and parcel for a lot of these cases. Blame LE for not doing their job. Never thought to look at anyone beyond the person that was closest to the victim. Where have I heard this before? The scary thing is...if the defense was holding a good hand then they wouldn't have to resort to attacking LE. Go and prove there was no way, no how, their client could have done this heinous crime...oh, but that's right...the accused doesn't have to do that...but you would just think, to be on the safe side, they might want to go out and find out who the real killer is.
 
Even if CPD didn't find JP to be suspect he certainly set Judge G's hinky meter on high alert today and it was there for the whole courtroom to see.
 
SleuthinNC said:
Even if CPD didn't find JP to be suspect he certainly set Judge G's hinky meter on high alert today and it was there for the whole courtroom to see.
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...and hopefully the jury will disregard the judge's behavior.

PS- now I'm confused...I thought it was mentioned somewhere here that he was biased in some way, perhaps pro-prosecution? This doesn't sound so pro-State.
 
RR0004 said:
I'm confused...wasn't this the guy that went out and bought cleaning supplies in the middle of the night...and locked his kids passports in his car? I really do need to go back and find out what happened to that guy.
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He bought no cleaning supplies in the middle of the night, that rumor/factoid has been proven false. He did buy detergent at 6:40 AM. He had one of the kids passports in his office, and NC had the other.
 
johnfear said:
Mania or drugs (on the audio) IYO?
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Listening to JP's testimony right now...Mania. I get the distinct feeling this guy is way involved in this. Too many things he says...offering up things without being asked...
 
zenreaper said:
Here is a question about the google search. I believe it was said that google searches go from a number 20 (the whole country) to a number 1 or 0 (building level). And it was said his search was at a level 11, I believe. Does anyone know the area covered by a level 11 search? I mean IF I was looking at a possible place to chunk a body, I would want it to be pretty detailed and as close as possible. And mathematically, if a level 20 showed, say, 3000 miles, and a level 0 or 1 showed building level (say 2000 sqft), and level 11 would have to be about halfway, which STILL seems like PRETTY big area.
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It started at 11 and zoomed in from there.
 
johnfear said:
Mania or drugs (on the audio) IYO?
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Who Captain Chatterbox? On the audio I felt like he wasn't telling the truth but rather looking for reaction. Seemed like nervous adrenaline. He tried to use the same upbeat "team player" tone when going over the call records too but you could see the color drain from his face.
 
Shadow722 said:
He bought no cleaning supplies in the middle of the night, that rumor/factoid has been proven false. He did buy detergent at 6:40 AM. He had one of the kids passports in his office, and NC had the other.
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Oh...detergent to wash clothes...not cleaning supplies..per se...like floor cleaner or such.
 
ohiogirl said:
So all of the reasonable doubt posters think that there is someone out there that did it? .
Really, you think that BC was that lucky?
I understand there is a faction that hates the "look closest to home" theory, but, Le couldn't rule him out Where else would they look?
If there is no one else, you have to look at who woud gain. It doesn't matter if there is someone else beyond a reasonable doubt, there is always the man in the moon, you have to go with what is the most logical answer.
there it is, the most logical, did he get so lucky to have his dear wife offed by someone totally uninvolved in this peyton place drama?
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I'm not sure how Brad was lucky. He's spent the past 2.5 years in jail. He has lost his job, his children, all of his possessions, (intentionally leaving his wife out to avoid comments), and pretty much everything else. He sure is lucky.
 
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