Supreme Court Nominee #3

[borndem]

I don’t think he’s the type, tbh. He reads to me like his good schooling and social status somehow imbues him with a level of morality that places him above judgment or accountability, imo.

To wit: “I got into Yale!”

That’s a pathetic moral defense.

Just my opinion.

bbm
Exactly. In fact, I think words to that effect were engraved on the silver spoon he was given at birth. Please excuse, but I just couldn't help it. I just get so angry with those folks who have just such an attitude. It's like they get to walk on the sidewalk while we have to walk on the street. The lens in his glasses are fixed to that he can look down his nose at every one but a few.
Mini-rant done for now.

 

[Spellbound]

I thought that when someone spikes the punch at a party it's because everyone wants an alcoholic beverage and it's known to all who attend.

Maybe she selected two dead people to be the ones she told so that no one can ask them now. JMO

A whole punch bowl can be.... spiked with alcohol. Right? A single drink can be "spiked" with alcohol ... or other ingredients I suppose. But I'm sure you already know that.

To infer that people died so someone can now target them for any reason is really outrageous and uncalled for, IMO.

 

[Spellbound]

No apology necessary .
I am not sure you misunderstood. I was posting about the Swetnick interview when it came on.

She had said prior to this interview that he and Mark spiked the punch as if she actually saw it when it happened. That was in her prior statement per the interviewer Ms. Snow (sorry I don't know Ms. Snows first name. This was the first I have watched msnbc in at least 6 years)

But today her story changed and even the interviewer brought that out. She more or less is assuming he was involved. She didn't put him any room where any rapes supposedly occurred.

And somehow according to her teen boys laughing at a party somehow shows guilt. I think she used that and wanted to copycat Dr Ford's testimony.

I truly did find her interview bizarre. Even Ms. Snow broughtout the inconsistencies and telling her no one has come foward to support any of her claims.

That was all I was doing. Telling what she now says and how Ms Snow said the facts in her interview had
changed since her prior statement.

Thank you for the response.

And was it a punch bowl or a glass of punch, did you catch that part?

 

[AlwaysShocked]

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When Kavanaugh told that heart-tugging story of his 10 year old daughter wanting to pray for the victim I immediately felt it was a big mistake for him to go there.

 

[Mica]

Swetnick’s ex is going to be on FoxNews, The Ingram Angle, tonight at 10 PM EST. Why he believes she cannot be trusted.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

No apology necessary .
I am not sure you misunderstood. I was posting about the Swetnick interview when it came on.

She had said prior to this interview that he and Mark spiked the punch as if she actually saw it when it happened. That was in her prior statement per the interviewer Ms. Snow (sorry I don't know Ms. Snows first name. This was the first I have watched msnbc in at least 6 years)

But today her story changed and even the interviewer brought that out. She more or less is assuming he was involved. She didn't put him any room where any rapes supposedly occurred.

And somehow according to her teen boys laughing at a party somehow shows guilt. I think she used that and wanted to copycat Dr Ford's testimony.

I truly did find her interview bizarre. Even Ms. Snow broughtout the inconsistencies and telling her no one has come foward to support any of her claims.

That was all I was doing. Telling what she now says and how Ms Snow said the facts in her interview had
changed since her prior statement.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Maybe you misheard? Swetnick might have clarified her sworn statement while discussing it, but she certainly isn't contradicting it.

Her sworn testimony does not, in fact, state that she witnessed anyone spiking punch. She said she "became aware of efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to spike the punch at house parties."

The sworn statement also says she "witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to be inebriated and disoriented so they could then be gang raped in a side room or bedroom by a train of numerous boys."

She says a whole lot of things in that statement, but watching them spike punch bowls is not one of them.

Here's a link to her sworn statement. And a pdf download.

Screen shots of that portion of her statement:

 

[Boodles]

Hmm... I wonder if that was really his choice and if so is he leaving because he thinks he will be stepping into a new position or is he giving up altogether.IMO

Good Q, I wonder, too. Part of me thinks he thinks the fix is solid and he’ll be on the SCOTUS regardless of everything, therefore he’ll be unavailable.

It’s my opinion he cannot/will not withdraw because he’s been set up by those with an agenda of how certain cases/issues must be ruled. He’s joined an elite country club with a $92k initiation fee which is difficult to even get into social status wise, and his paltry (relatively) earnings and job don’t really cut the mustard, IMO. Supposedly his debts have been handled. I think he’s been financed in return for this appointment and his expected rulings. No, I can’t prove it, and I know it’s a bold and dirty allegation.

But I think anyone else would have withdrawn by now, if only for the sake of his family and/or the country and due to the stigma it will bring to the court (rightly or wrongly). But I think he can’t. He made a deal and has no choice but to stay in this race. Plus, he’s a status seeker and desperately wants to reach this ultimate goal.

MOO. And I’m really disappointed to be feeling this cynical.

 

[BingoBongo]

I’m sorry you went through that, @BingoBongo.

Many thanks. Was long ago, and long ago dealt with. Not something that haunts me, or has had (thankfully!) any lasting impact on my life.

 

[Spellbound]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Maybe you misheard? Swetnick might have clarified her sworn statement while discussing it, but she certainly isn't contradicting it.

Her sworn testimony does not, in fact, state that she witnessed anyone spiking punch. She said she "became aware of efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to spike the punch at house parties."

The sworn statement also says she "witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to be inebriated and disoriented so they could then be gang raped in a side room or bedroom by a train of numerous boys."

Here's a link to her sworn statement. And a pdf download.

Screen shots of that portion of her statement:
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Thank you for the attachments. Possibly quaaludes? Spiked punch ... by the bowl or individual glass? Did these girls expect it to be just punch and were tricked? Sounds like quite a wild bunch.

 

[kimlynn]

When Kavanaugh told that heart-tugging story of his 10 year old daughter wanting to pray for the victim I immediately felt it was a big mistake for him to go there.

I brought that up early on because prayers offered can be meant as an insult...as in you need prayers because you're lacking or having issues and nothing else will do.
In other words the snotty "I'll pray for you" during a discussion with a person that's angry with you.
On the other hand prayers can be offered in kindness and even the non religious can accept them with thanks.
I wonder what discussion was heard from the parents that made the daughter offer prayers to "the woman" IMO

 

[Boodles]

Thank you for the response.

And was it a punch bowl or a glass of punch, did you catch that part?

I think she called it punch container and also referred to red solo cups in her MSNBC interview.

 

[KALI]

Personally, I would not be in a "reflective" mood, if I was accused of the things Judge BK is being accused of.
I would be furious. Add to that, my family and my good name being attacked and I would be scorched earth.
Then having to sit in front of the world, being grilled by the senate about these accusations and my high school drinking?
Pizzed off to the maximum comes to my mind.
"Reflective?" When you and your family are under attack???
Not me.
I am surprised he held it together as well as he did.
Last, but, not least. These people were baiting him from what I watched.
He wisely chose to focus on the charges by Dr. Ford, and ignore the baits.
Smart man. IMO

Snipped by me.

I think BK is pissed off that he's scrutinized over stuff that happened so long ago. I'm sure he thinks it's idiotic to be questioned about a high school party and about high school yearbooks.

My guess is that he blames others for any trouble he's in and is not reflective about how he could've handled it better. A reflective man doesn't yell and behave at a congressional hearing like he did.

But I also think he'll get confirmed and he just might be right.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Hmm... I wonder if that was really his choice and if so is he leaving because he thinks he will be stepping into a new position or is he giving up altogether.IMO

My hunch - and it's only a hunch - is that there is a deadline for instructors regarding upcoming semesters. Makes sense that a class starting in January would have a deadline to indicate a commitment to teaching the class now. So maybe he is stepping down simply because he doesn't know his availability in January but had to let Harvard know now. That's just a hunch that makes the most sense to me, but IDK.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Personally, I would not be in a "reflective" mood, if I was accused of the things Judge BK is being accused of.
I would be furious. Add to that, my family and my good name being attacked and I would be scorched earth.
Then having to sit in front of the world, being grilled by the senate about these accusations and my high school drinking?
Pizzed off to the maximum comes to my mind.
"Reflective?" When you and your family are under attack???
Not me.
I am surprised he held it together as well as he did.
Last, but, not least. These people were baiting him from what I watched.
He wisely chose to focus on the charges by Dr. Ford, and ignore the baits.
Smart man. IMO

I expect a Supreme Court Judge to be reflective.

 

[borndem]

Agree. And I think we'd hear from others on gang rape. There's a level of aggression in that. And intent. And I do not believe that is BK.

I think this all out frat boy party culture of spiking young women's drinks at college, perhaps high school and having sex is not thought of as rape by the young men. That they believe it is consensual... She's there to party, looks the part, and might even act the part before she passes out.

The women who aren't expecting to pass out are left broken in many cases consumed with shame and guilt.

It really is a terrible culture.. Some call it a rite of passage, bacchanalia. And it's a group culture. Think of spring break on the weekends... Imo.

So this accepted party behavior is blown out of the water when someone like Professor Ford calls her experience sexual assault.

I do believe that's why BK was so shocked and everyone clammed up.

I think there is a lot of truth to that -- it can be seen in much less primitive venues as well -- Look at Congress's male/female ratio; look at the percentage of women in executive positions; look at how long it took us to have a woman in the SCOTUS; how many female POTUS's we have had; look at how little girls in the 40's & 50's, when asked what they wanted to be when they grew up, would say (if not motherhood), a teacher or a nurse (and you know I mean no disrespect towards those professions -- thank goodness they were female in many cases); look at women's/men's salaries in nearly every field out there. Need I go on?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

This sounds realistically cynical, though, imho. Yes, it's speculation, but it's also an entirely plausible scenario. Unfortunately.

Good Q, I wonder, too. Part of me thinks he thinks the fix is solid and he’ll be on the SCOTUS regardless of everything, therefore he’ll be unavailable.

It’s my opinion he cannot/will not withdraw because he’s been set up by those with an agenda of how certain cases/issues must be ruled. He’s joined an elite country club with a $92k initiation fee which is difficult to even get into social status wise, and his paltry (relatively) earnings and job don’t really cut the mustard, IMO. Supposedly his debts have been handled. I think he’s been financed in return for this appointment and his expected rulings. No, I can’t prove it, and I know it’s a bold and dirty allegation.

But I think anyone else would have withdrawn by now, if only for the sake of his family and/or the country and due to the stigma it will bring to the court (rightly or wrongly). But I think he can’t. He made a deal and has no choice but to stay in this race. Plus, he’s a status seeker and desperately wants to reach this ultimate goal.

MOO. And I’m really disappointed to be feeling this cynical.

 

[kimlynn]

My hunch - and it's only a hunch - is that there is a deadline for instructors regarding upcoming semesters. Makes sense that a class starting in January would have a deadline to indicate a commitment to teaching the class now. So maybe he is stepping down simply because he doesn't know his availability in January but had to let Harvard know now. That's just a hunch that makes the most sense to me, but IDK.

jmo

I read an article a while back that some of the students didn't want him to teach so maybe he didn't leave on his own and is saving face. Although your idea could be the reason as well. IMO
ETA... I hope we find out soon.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I think she called it punch container and also referred to red solo cups in her MSNBC interview.

And here's her sworn statement, which she didn't contradict. Was she just clarifying what was in the statement? (pdf)

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Thank you for the attachments. Possibly quaaludes? Spiked punch ... by the bowl or individual glass? Did these girls expect it to be just punch and were tricked? Sounds like quite a wild bunch.

It isn't clear which one. She describes an incident in which she believes the drugs were "placed" in what she was drinking.

Screen shot:

 

[CARIIS]

beep beep as promised two people have text messages from our little brett asking them to deny the sex charges