The “roughly triangular, parchment-like rust colored abrasion”

[BBB167893]

Just would like to clarify. Inconsistancies, mistakes and exaggerations, but never a lie? Never?

With apologies to Gilbert & Sullivan:

Patsy: I'm an old time beauty queen
The very best you've ever seen
I can take a cord and tie
Inconsistencies I may, occasionally say
But I'll never ever tell a lie!

Chorus: What, never?

Patsy: No, never!

Chorus: What, NEVERRRRRRRR????

Patsy: Hardly ever!

 

[SunnieRN]

Oh mygawd Dave I love ya!!:great::woohoo::rocker:

 

[BBB167893]

Why do I always expect this type of reply? Can we stick to the topic, instead of reverting back to personal attack!

Apparently not! Seems to happen regularly when someone gets backed into a corner...

Murri,

Exaggeration and inconsistency is lying, no matter how you look at it and when it comes to the murder of your child, you dont make mistakes...

Yes! That Obi-Wan Kenobi stuff about "truth from a certain point of view" won't work.

 

[BBB167893]

Oh mygawd Dave I love ya!!:great::woohoo::rocker:

Sunnie, I was laughing hysterically the whole time I wrote that!

 

[Agatha_C]

Oh mygawd Dave I love ya!!:great::woohoo::rocker:

What Sunni said....lol

 

[MurriFlower]

Apparently not! Seems to happen regularly when someone gets backed into a corner...

Oh boy, what a real big laugh, you guys worrying about sticking to the topic and then putting all the smilies you can find on a page, and calling that conversation.

Yes! That Obi-Wan Kenobi stuff about "truth from a certain point of view" won't work.

That's rich coming from RDI. Truth, evidence, lies all presented from an 'certain point of view', while the rest of the planet looks on in utter amazement at how you can twist evidence leading to an IDI into RDI!!

 

[SunnieRN]

Oh boy, what a real big laugh, you guys worrying about sticking to the topic and then putting all the smilies you can find on a page, and calling that conversation.



That's rich coming from RDI. Truth, evidence, lies all presented from an 'certain point of view', while the rest of the planet looks on in utter amazement at how you can twist evidence leading to an IDI into RDI!!

MF, sometimes humor is better than anger. At times it is the much more adult and mature way to handle your feelings. It always beats being derogatory or condescending.

 

[Agatha_C]

MF, sometimes humor is better than anger. At times it is the much more adult and mature way to handle your feelings. It always beats being derogatory or condescending.

Nothing says it like a smiley...... illowfight:

 

[BBB167893]

Oh boy, what a real big laugh, you guys worrying about sticking to the topic and then putting all the smilies you can find on a page, and calling that conversation.

Just letting off a little steam, Murri, that's all. It helps to do that every now and then. If nothing else, the alternative is most unappealing.

That's rich coming from RDI.

I figured you'd say that!

Truth, evidence, lies all presented from an 'certain point of view', while the rest of the planet looks on in utter amazement at how you can twist evidence leading to an IDI into RDI!!

"The rest of the planet?" I imagine the vast majority of the planet would agree with us!

 

[SunnieRN]

Especially after examining the circumstantial evidence and the lack of idi evidence. Well and the ransom note, and the pineapple in JonBenets stomach, oh and one more, the prior vaginal trauma.

 

[MurriFlower]

Especially after examining the circumstantial evidence and the lack of idi evidence. Well and the ransom note, and the pineapple in JonBenets stomach, oh and one more, the prior vaginal trauma.

Just a request SunnieRN. When you reply to something as you have above, can you at least quote part of the post, so we know what you are referring to??

 

[Peepers]

Everyone's interpretation 0f the evidence is different. I personally dont think the shoes or the flash light are significant..whether an intruder did it or the R's did it. By the way, i dont KNOW who did it; Im not for the labels...but how about IIAT..Interested in all theories.

 

[SunnieRN]

Just a request SunnieRN. When you reply to something as you have above, can you at least quote part of the post, so we know what you are referring to??

It was in response to SD's post, in response to your comments. Sometimes the intent of the post is understandable without quotes, IMHO, just feel free to ask, if you ever have another question!

 

[MurriFlower]

It was in response to SD's post, in response to your comments. Sometimes the intent of the post is understandable without quotes, IMHO, just feel free to ask, if you ever have another question!

I hate to assume, you know. If I responded on the basis of the comments I supposed you were addressing and got it wrong, you would be the first to criticise. It's just a matter of courtesy really.

 

[SunnieRN]

I hate to assume, you know. If I responded on the basis of the comments I supposed you were addressing and got it wrong, you would be the first to criticise. It's just a matter of courtesy really.

No problem. If my comment seems out of context, or is further down, I shall try to accommodate you. Now, that settled, what was your comment regarding my comment.

 

[MurriFlower]

No problem. If my comment seems out of context, or is further down, I shall try to accommodate you. Now, that settled, what was your comment regarding my comment.

Kindly post it again and the quote you were referencing.

 

[MurriFlower]

Well, the topic of this thread hasn't been discussed since page 2, so I thought we might try to shake off this attack of the sillies and get back on topic.

Here again is my picture of the triangular abrasion on her neck.

This picture has had the contrast and hue (colour) changed. Green cancels out red in skin colour, so you can now clearly see the shape of the centre of the abrasion. The edges are very well defined and the piece on the top not so well. This shape is exactly the same as would be caused by having the muzzle of a hand gun pressed hard against the skin.

Now I know we have no other evidence of a gun having been used, so this is only speculation. However, if you look at the shape of the head wound, you can see that it needed to have been caused by a specific object. The baseball bat doesn't match, the flashlight doesn't match. This is because they are curved surfaces, so this would have been reflected in the shape of the dislodged bone.

The handle of a handgun, by handle I'm talking about the magazine -- the part where the bullets are loaded in, which protrudes from the base of the grip. I can picture an IDI holding the muzzle to her neck, using it to both hold her down and threaten her at the same time, but being only a little girl, she probably didn't show the sort of fear we might when faced with a gun. So when she was hurt she may have struggled or cried out, and the gun was just raised and brought down on her head while she was lying on the floor. I believe this is the most likely scenario to both produce the shape of the wound as well as the internal damage to the brain. Because she wasn't propelled any distance (such as being slammed against something) there would be relatively little damage to the opposite side of the brain and the skull because her head was already on a firm surface (the floor) so she did not get an opposing injury.

My gun suggestions gets very little credibility from RDI because it is completely opposed to any theories they have put forward. The Rs (as far as we know) didn't own a gun and really, if they did, it's unlikely they would have used it in this way against their 6yo daughter. On the other hand, an IDI would be very likely to carry a gun and also to threaten a child with it and when that didn't work, use it to bash her over the head.

What a pity there wasn't a forensic specialist in these types of injuries called in, but I guess with the BPD being RDI, they wouldn't have even considered a gun might have been used.

 

[SunnieRN]

This is per your request.

Oh boy, what a real big laugh, you guys worrying about sticking to the topic and then putting all the smilies you can find on a page, and calling that conversation.



That's rich coming from RDI. Truth, evidence, lies all presented from an 'certain point of view', while the rest of the planet looks on in utter amazement at how you can twist evidence leading to an IDI into RDI!!

Just letting off a little steam, Murri, that's all. It helps to do that every now and then. If nothing else, the alternative is most unappealing.



I figured you'd say that!



"The rest of the planet?" I imagine the vast majority of the planet would agree with us!

Especially after examining the circumstantial evidence and the lack of idi evidence. Well and the ransom note, and the pineapple in JonBenets stomach, oh and one more, the prior vaginal trauma.

Kindly post it again and the quote you were referencing.

 

[MurriFlower]

This is per your request.

Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
Especially after examining the circumstantial evidence and the lack of idi evidence. Well and the ransom note, and the pineapple in JonBenets stomach, oh and one more, the prior vaginal trauma.

Circumstantial evidence - much of it unsourced/unconfirmed.
Ransom note - no evidence of who wrote it.
Pineapple - no evidence of how/when/who she was fed/ate it
Prior vaginal trauma - no evidence this occurred before the night of her death.
Lack of IDI evidence - articles used to commit the crime not sourced to the Rs, not found in the house therefore removed by unknown person; matching DNA of unidentified male found in three places on the childs clothing; RN written by unidentified person; fibers not matched to anything in the house.

That'll do for a start.

 

[BBB167893]

Now I know we have no other evidence of a gun having been used, so this is only speculation. However, if you look at the shape of the head wound, you can see that it needed to have been caused by a specific object. The baseball bat doesn't match, the flashlight doesn't match. This is because they are curved surfaces, so this would have been reflected in the shape of the dislodged bone.

I guess we'll have to ask Werner Spitz.

The handle of a handgun, by handle I'm talking about the magazine -- the part where the bullets are loaded in, which protrudes from the base of the grip.

You mean a semi-auto pistol. Yes, most do have magazines loaded into the butt. That's what the handle is called.

I can picture an IDI holding the muzzle to her neck, using it to both hold her down and threaten her at the same time, but being only a little girl, she probably didn't show the sort of fear we might when faced with a gun. So when she was hurt she may have struggled or cried out, and the gun was just raised and brought down on her head while she was lying on the floor. I believe this is the most likely scenario to both produce the shape of the wound as well as the internal damage to the brain. Because she wasn't propelled any distance (such as being slammed against something) there would be relatively little damage to the opposite side of the brain and the skull because her head was already on a firm surface (the floor) so she did not get an opposing injury.

I always understood that she did have an opposing brain injury. The autopsy report describes bruising on the opposite side of her brain/

My gun suggestions gets very little credibility from RDI because it is completely opposed to any theories they have put forward.

It gets little credibility because it deserves little credibility. Before you get huffy, allow me to explain. Just how much do you know about guns, Murri? If you're from Australia, like you say, that's a country that doesn't have much gun ownership, and what ownership there is is highly restricted. Is that right?

My family are gun enthusiasts. I have several, including an old Colt .45 auto that my grandfather brought back from World War 2. And as the old saying goes, they don't make 'em like that anymore. It's true: modern handguns, especially autoloaders like you describe, aren't made from US steel anymore; rather, they combine case-hardened steel, stamped sheet-metal and plastic. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of modern firearms would KNOW that you'd have to be a damn fool to hit someone in the head with it, because striking someone with it--in the US, we call that "pistol-whipping"--runs the risk of damaging the weapon, to say nothing of your hand.

Moreover, the mark on JB's neck being a gun muzzle mark seems unlikely. I've seen a LOT of auto pistols in my day, and the only one that even SLIGHTLY resembles that shape is the Desert Eagle, made by Israeli Military Industries. And while it's possible that the Desert Eagle could survive being used as a club due to its heavyweight construction, that same heavy weight is a problem. A Desert Eagle is a big, heavy brick of a gun, and takes a fair amount of skill just to carry it on one's person, much less use it.

I hope this is helpful.