the strange marks

[tumble]

A ring with a big stone arrangment would turn less frequently wouldn't it. And in this case we have three rings that need to be turned at the same time.

 

[Eagle1]

Yep, it's probably unlikely that all three would accidentally turn at once.

Would think the big cluster of stones would weight it down pretty fast, don't know. Don't have such a ring to test.

 

[tumble]

Would think the big cluster of stones would weight it down pretty fast

Yepp, thats logical. But at the same time the cluster have a harder time passing between the fingers.
I don't have one either(and probably never will...) so no test on my part.

 

[Becba]

I remember one of my little nieces got a paper jewelry kit. You had to cut a long strip of construction like art paper and roll it. It would be a strip several inches long of different widths and once rolled tightly it basically made an irregular shaped "bead". IMO it would leave a mark with lines in it due to the overlapping edges of the paper.

 

[tumble]

Very interesting Becba,

how hard were those beads. Do you think stepping on them barefooted would be painful?

Anyone know if beads like that were found at the house. I would very much expect that if JBR made some jewelry at the Whites she would take some home with her.

 

[Eagle1]

Would think the big cluster of stones would weight it down pretty fast

Yepp, thats logical. But at the same time the cluster have a harder time passing between the fingers.

Why didn't I think of that? Right you are again.

 

[tumble]

Becba:

BTW, did that jewelry making kit allow for earring making or was it just necklace making?
Also I think JBR got her own kit. I read somewhere that she played with it during Christmas day outside of Burkes room while Burke and his friends played inside. I am sure there would be some of those beads somewhere in the house.

From PR 98' interview

23 PATSY RAMSEY: This is the door between the

24 cloak room there out to the garage. These are bells in

25 the back door. This door was definitely kept unlocked.

0340

1 TOM HANEY: Could you hear the bells if you

2 opened the door?

3 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.

4 TRIP DEMUTH: Could you hear it from the

5 bedroom?

6 PATSY RAMSEY: Doubtful. This is the hallway

7 looking out to the patio. This is like a little

8 jewelry making kit, a bead maker. This is for

9 JonBenet.

10 TOM HANEY: Earlier.

11 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, I couldn't tell. That

12 is (inaudible). A little package. It looks like --

13 don't know. Isn't that a stain or something?

14 TOM HANEY: Is that something with the bead

15 making kit?

16 PATSY RAMSEY: Maybe. I believe it is

17 stacked up here. Earrings and sunglasses and papers

18 and things.

It seems the bead making kit were placed in the hall somewhere, where JBR coat was. Maybe JBR had her bead making kit with her to the Whites(Daphne had also got a bead making kit for Christmas). Then someone must have brought it out of the car and placed it with the coat. Why would the bead making kit else be placed there? Seems also there were some earrings.
Wonder what that stain was on the bead making kit?
It almost sounds like PR anticipates a question about that stain.

 

[tumble]

Actually it seems that JBR got her bead making kit at the Whites.

From JR 98' interview

8 They had that. They had some little gifts for us.
9 They had given me some napkins for my boat that
10 had the boat name on them. I think that's where
11 JonBenet got that thing that makes the beads.
12 Because we played with that that evening on the
13 floor. I remember that. Pete and I were making
14 these little beads. He was doing it with Daphne
15 and I was doing it with JonBenet.

This passage is in PR 98' interview. Here PR talkes about what the kids were doing during Christmas day.

21 PATSY RAMSEY: With -- well, they
22 were all kind of playing together. You know,
23 they were outside. Then they would all come in
24 and she was making little jewelry things and I
25 sat and played with her doing the jewelry
1 things. And she was in her room, she was making
2 a little pot holder kind of thing, I think.
3 Those little moving kind of things, you know.

So, JBR was playing with some other jewelry at that time.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

To me the shape looks very circular, like it could have been produced by a very round object.

Or produced by either end of the paintbrush. IMO that was the purpose for the sharpened/whittled/broken ends on the paintbrush. Somewhat like an attacker holding a knife to someone.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Or produced by either end of the paintbrush. IMO that was the purpose for the sharpened/whittled/broken ends on the paintbrush. Somewhat like an attacker holding a knife to someone.

Why would the intruder need something like a sharpened stick if he has a stun gun? Not to mention, he could have gone to the kitchen to get a knife. Or wait, he had a knife...the ends of the cord were frayed, so they had been cut, and Burke's knife was moved...and there was a paring knife out of place...

With all of these knives and supposedly a stun gun available, why would the killer need to make a paintbrush into a weapon? If the killer wanted to use that paintbrush as a handle and twist the garotte with it, why would he want both ends to be sharp?

 

[BBB167893]

"Yep, it's probably unlikely that all three would accidentally turn at once."

How do we know they hadn't been like that for a while?

"how hard were those beads. Do you think stepping on them barefooted would be painful?"

You going somewhere with that?

"With all of these knives and supposedly a stun gun available, why would the killer need to make a paintbrush into a weapon? If the killer wanted to use that paintbrush as a handle and twist the garotte with it, why would he want both ends to be sharp?"

If it was broken on both ends that night. Dr. Jones said that it might have been used on her as much as a week before. Maybe whoever did it got rid of it.

 

[tumble]

"how hard were those beads. Do you think stepping on them barefooted would be painful?"

You going somewhere with that?

Hehe, yes sound strange doesn't it. Just want to know if those paper beads would put up any resistance aganist pressure.
It could be that they just would flat out and then not being able to produce a bruise OR they could be hard and then they could very well couse the bruising we see on JBR.

I kind of like this idea because the bruise under JBR's ear is placed at a position that taked up the force when you lie down your head on the side to the floor. Also this position is consistent with an earring bead.

 

[BBB167893]

Interesting. Keep going.

There was something else, too. There's a picture of JB from a few months before she died. She's standing on the porch in a little red dress with white hearts, barefoot. On the lower part of her leg are two marks...

 

[BirdieBoo]

That picture of Patsy was taken when she was on TV at some point. Maybe Britt knows, I don't. Anyway, my thought is that maybe she was told to turn her rings around because they were blinding or too sparkly on camera., catching the lights or something. This being the only times ( on camera) she would wear her rings like that. I highly doubt Patsy wore her rings that way Christmas night.

I work in TV. We don't have people turn their rings around for the cameras.

 

[tumble]

SD:
I havn't seen that pic. Where can I find it?

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I think I know which picture Super Dave means. Is it this one?

http://www.maketoast.com/photos/jon1.html


There's a huge supply of pictures of the whole family here.

http://www.maketoast.com/jbrpictures.htm

 

[Becba]

The beads would hurt if stepped on and you could make bracelets or necklaces. I am not sure about earrings. It has been a long time. I can't even remember if the beads were strung with string.

 

[tumble]

Thanks for the link.
Yes I see the marks. The distance between them suspiciously familiar...
otherwise I would suggest mosquito bites, very common on that place on the legs during the warm periods.

 

[Seeker]

Thanks for the link.
Yes I see the marks. The distance between them suspiciously familiar...
otherwise I would suggest mosquito bites, very common on that place on the legs during the warm periods.

Or flea bites...they did have a dog in the house....

 

[tumble]

The beads would hurt if stepped on and you could make bracelets or necklaces. I am not sure about earrings. It has been a long time. I can't even remember if the beads were strung with string.

Thanks for the info Becba!
I think those beads are very good suspects in the case of the bruises.
The bruises on the back are somewhat smaller and could have been caused by smaller beads.

Suppose JBR played with some beads in the morning hours the 26th or the evening of 25th after returning from the Whites. Then something happened which ended up with JBR dead or unconsious on the floor. The beads she was playing with ended up under her and the perp left her in that position(on her back with her head tilted to the right) for a while. Long enough for the beads to cause the marks. Maybe she even had one bead hanging from her right ear in an earring.