The Anthony Backyard *REVISITED*

[panthera]

Thanks for all the info , Turbo!:blowkiss:
I was wondering, do you think washing the pants from the car one time would get out the odor if they were sitting in human decomp odor for days?

Or would Cindy have to do multiple washings if you can even get the smell out. Or would the pants have to be replaced with new identical ones?

Sorry if already asked somewhere else.

Does Turbo or anyone else know or have an opinion?

I thought the pants were in the passenger area of the car, but to answer your question, if they had actually come in contact with the decomposition, the best thing would be to throw them away! :sick: Washing once sure wouldn't do it, imo.

 

[panthera]

I really wish the backyard could be searched again. My husband has said since the beginning, that KC buried Caylee in the backyard, and he has not swayed from this thought. He never gets "involved" in these cases like I do, but he has with this one!
Now he has me thinking the same thing. That baby is still buried in their backyard!

It's possible, but she had to have been in the car trunk at some time. What's your theory?

 

[the by and by]

Thank you Turbothink I went in to site and almost immediately I went to the one at 5450 Econlockhatchee Tr. But looked at all the others but this one fits and I was shocked to see it was practically out the Anthony's backdoor. The color 'red' stands out that was very prominent in the dream, thought it might be a car but finally guessed- who has red cars and trucks--fire dept. Also saw a 'fire pit' large and round but was drawn to seeing that it was a fire pit with stones for a border around the pit by black looking soot and ashes in middle of pit, so I figured might mean fire station. But it showed me a deep cylindrical shaped hole that was behind the pit, in it was something red and a trash bag in the bottom of the hole. I have had other dreams but I usually do not try to interpret them, but this one has recurred and has stayed in my waking thoughts also.

 

[Sparky]

I really wish the backyard could be searched again. My husband has said since the beginning, that KC buried Caylee in the backyard, and he has not swayed from this thought. He never gets "involved" in these cases like I do, but he has with this one!
Now he has me thinking the same thing. That baby is still buried in their backyard!

I agree the B/Y needs to be searched again. When Greta did her interview with the "A's" CA made a comment that the dog hit over there, which was under the window. She went on to say that the oblong box by the pool was to be moved over under the window and they had moved a bush and it was replanted by the shed. My question is why was the 'Oblong" box by the "Round" pool to begin with. Why wasn't it placed against a wall, something flat like the shed and was a bush really moved and if so why was the box still sitting by the pool?

 

[the by and by]

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl ----Don't know if I can do this or if it will work. But here it goes. My other dreams showed a lot of sand or very fine pebbles, this is amazing how this area seems to fit in with my dream.

 

[the by and by]

Sorry it did not work guess you have to type in address. 5450 S Econlockhatchee Tr Orlando FL

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I just can't see LE missing it in their first searches. I think Casey's 3 hour "cell phone silence" is the clue to where Caylee is right now.

I don't think LE did miss it. I think it had been moved at that time, and was later "planted" in the back yard.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I have had a gut feeling about that backyard, and I would really like it searched again. So much was done in that backyard after Caylee disappeared - lime could be used to destroy scent and aid in decomp. If the body was in a lidded plastic container, would the dogs still detect that she was there?
The fact that Cindy got so mad when they mentioned searching it again is all the more reason I would want it done. When I saw CA out weeding that flower bed I had the eerie feeling that it could be Caylee's grave she was tending, and I believe it was the one under the bedroom window.

That's weird..........I thought the same thing.

I doubt the dogs would be much help now after GA spreading all that lime all over the yard.

 

[panthera]

I agree the B/Y needs to be searched again. When Greta did her interview with the "A's" CA made a comment that the dog hit over there, which was under the window. She went on to say that the oblong box by the pool was to be moved over under the window and they had moved a bush and it was replanted by the shed. My question is why was the 'Oblong" box by the "Round" pool to begin with. Why wasn't it placed against a wall, something flat like the shed and was a bush really moved and if so why was the box still sitting by the pool?

Good points! Another thing is that yard seems so full of "stuff" that it really would be easy to hide something in it. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around her still being there though.

 

[sweetmop]

It's possible, but she had to have been in the car trunk at some time. What's your theory?

Caylee died in Casey's car trunk. Casey then 'kept' her body in the trunk for several days, then moved the body into Anthony's backyard and buried her there.

Geez... Stephen King couldn't even think this story up!



jmho

 

[Sparky]

Good points! Another thing is that yard seems so full of "stuff" that it really would be easy to hide something in it. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around her still being there though.

I agree there is a lot of "stuff" back there. She may not be there now, but there might be some little piece of something, maybe? I was kinda thinking there was no bush and she was actually buried at one time under the window and then moved. Maybe the box was there to begin with and it was actually moved to bury her there and never moved back. Oh well....the only one that knows is KC and she ain't talkin'.

 

[panthera]

Caylee died in Casey's car trunk. Casey then 'kept' her body in the trunk for several days, then moved the body into Anthony's backyard and buried her there.

Geez... Stephen King couldn't even think this story up!


jmho

OK, it's kind of the reverse of what I was thinking all along. I thought she might have killed her at the house, put her in the yard, then moved her to the car trunk and then disposed of her either in a dumpster or ???

Just curious but how long do you think she was in the trunk, or when did she take her to their house and bury her?

 

[panthera]

I agree there is a lot of "stuff" back there. She may not be there now, but there might be some little piece of something, maybe? I was kinda thinking there was no bush and she was actually buried at one time under the window and then moved. Maybe the box was there to begin with and it was actually moved to bury her there and never moved back. Oh well....the only one that knows is KC and she ain't talkin'.

I remember Cindy talking about the box being moved and LE searching back there. The yard is just so cluttered looking, with the big covered sandbox, playhouse, shed, pool, etc. I just don't think she's there now though, but I still believe she was at the beginning, therefore the dog hitting on the yard.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Sorry was away for awhile. In re: Why a firehouse? Well guess it isn't scientific but I dreamed of Caylee by or near a firehouse. And of LA's backyard makes sense being the connection to Casey and close proximity to his parents house.

Okay............you got me going on this...........LOL

I have been going back over all the pictures and videos of the Anthony's house. I have also been on google maps, microsoft live maps to "drive" down the roads. If I have it right, if you go up (N) the Anthony's street 7-8 houses, cut through that house's back yard, there is a lake type area there.

Put this in the map and take a look:
4937 Hopespring Dr
Orlando, FL 32829

There is a parallel road to Hopespring called Florence Harbor Dr. There is also a road at the end of Hopespring called Suburban Dr. which cuts through the woods to Econlockhatchee Trail.

Being that I believe KC is lazy and would not go far from home if she is not in the backyard, I believe she would be in that wooded area between Florence Harbor and Econlockhatchee Trail.

"the by and by" said something about a firehouse they kept seeing. That firehouse is #14 and the address for it is 5450 S Econlockhatchee Trail which is almost behind the Anthony's house (through the woods)

What I need now is LA's street address, because all the documents I have gone through have it as Hopespring.

 

[21merc7]

Just a silly fact here. Garden lime is used by, uh hum, me and us other "country folk" to get rid of the dogs urine and feces smell. It smells really bad in the summer when the dogs go in the yard. I got so scared reading here about disguising decomp with lime that I started putting out Borax, baking powder or carpet powder for fear my neighbors would think something sinister, lol! Anyhow, I don't think the lime was for anything sinister. I don't think it would help decomp much, it barely helps with dog stuff. (The scented carpet powder helped some, the lime not as much as I would like it does help the poo disolve more quickly if you don't feel like picking up, but not suggested to not pick up.)

 

[yosande]

Not only were they pavers, not slabs, I believe that they were put in last summer. Correct me on that last part if I am wrong.
Speculation reported as fact. Could we please close this thread?

iirc they were put in on the fourth of July this year.

 

[Unsolved]

Does anyone know if TES used their ground penetrating radar to recheck the A's backyard during the last search? I still can't shake my bad feelings about that backyard....

 

[DotsEyes]

The backyard as I know it.

The playhouse is too heavy for one person to lift, so say many folks here. I am not sure it is too heavy to push. Someone can help with this I am sure. The playhouse was at one time (before the July 4th weekend) located in the corner area where we now see all the evidence flags and where the bamboo shoots run wild. (they do if you have ever had them) Over the July 4th weekend, GA added a little slab of pavers for the playhouse to sit on. The little slab of pavers can be seen in the photo. It gives the playhouse a little patio and even a garden. Cute as can be.

The dogs hit at the playhouse, the corner where the bamboo is, and near the pool on the other side of the lanai.

The playhouse was moved from that slab during the official backyard search. CA told us about GA pouring sweat while doing the work and suggesting that GA's sweat and blood from scraped hands explained the dogs' interest in the area.

LE asked GA if he knew what caused the depression in the yard which was once under the playhouse. GA said he did not. The area shows an oval pattern of flags, about 4'x3', and excavated soil.

I suggest that the playhouse was raised above the ground when it was in the corner. Probably on a wooden platform similar to a big pallet, so no rain water would puddle inside. GA would never allow Caylee's playhouse to get too icky. If one person can slide that playhouse, I suggest that KC slid it over and took advantage of the soft soil underneath, put the baby in the soil and slid the playhouse back over her.

No matter what they now say, the A's originally stated that on the morning of June 17th, they became aware that the gate was open and the ladder was up in the pool. CA swears she put the ladder away on the 15th, hadn't used it since and even fussed at GA for leaving it up. He said he does not even get in the pool that often, only for brief periods if that and it wasn't him.

Caylee was last seen at 12:50 and maybe heard by Jesse 2 hours later on the 16th, then poof! She died at the house that afternoon and was shoved under the playhouse to be dealt with later. I understand that was a rainy day, so I don't see them staying in the pool all afternoon and this may be the reason the ladder was still up, they ran inside when it started raining. (or CA left it up on the 15th, or GA went in the pool and left it up - I dont' know)

When she returned to retrieve the body, on the 18th, she left the playhouse askew. This is what roused GA's suspicion. The hit by the pool is where she dropped her decomp scented and who knows what stained clothes before taking a dip in the pool. Then the clothes went into the pool too, they sunk to the bottom and were retrieved - with a shovel. Everything was already wrapped up in the trunk. Shower, shampoo, make-up, return the shovel, still looking fresh and clean and drive away. Wet clothes on back floorboard, stayed right there until July 15th.

 

[DotsEyes]

The bush being moved was so that the pool box go go there instead of up against the pool. Caylee could now climb up the pool box and get into the pool so the bush had to go to the backyard. The newly disturbed soil was noticed by LE and this was the explanation given. It makes perfect sense to me. I don't think the dogs hit in this area, did they?

 

[piratemom]

The lime, dogs hits, pavers and mysterious depression are all red flags to me!