The Booby Trapped Apartment

[JBean]

Please discuss the apartment here.

 

[KDOGG]

well now that we have separate threads, this will be easier to ask. i've been semi-following this case thru here the last couple days but with all the posts i cant read everything. anyway, im wondering why the bombs in the apartment never went off? he obviously rigged it to blow up....so what happened? apparently the 1st person thru the door was supposed to get cut in half as well. luckily this didnt take place, but i havent heard as to why not.

 

[KateB]

http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1747378887001

Video of the controlled detonation of the explosives removed from the apartment.

Curious to the location of this facility used in the detonation. Are there any videos or pictures of the transport/caravan with presumably police escort of the materials transported from the apartment?

 

[Liz]

What I've been scratching my head trying to figure out is .....

After booby-trapping his apartment and allegedly fixing a trip wire to the front door - how would he have gotten out of the apartment and closed the door if a trip wire was attached? :waitasec:

 

[songline]

well now that we have separate threads, this will be easier to ask. i've been semi-following this case thru here the last couple days but with all the posts i cant read everything. anyway, im wondering why the bombs in the apartment never went off? he obviously rigged it to blow up....so what happened? apparently the 1st person thru the door was supposed to get cut in half as well. luckily this didnt take place, but i havent heard as to why not.

I think they disarmed some things at the window and shot something’s at the door....
Can I explain this NO!
but I know that Bomb squad people know what they are doing.

 

[SmoothOperator]

What I've been scratching my head trying to figure out is .....

After booby-trapping his apartment and allegedly fixing a trip wire to the front door - how would he have gotten out of the apartment and closed the door if a trip wire was attached? :waitasec:

Of course moo but IMO he got out the same way that the robot got in to disarm the rigged killing machine(which consisted of two liquids, one poured into the other that once combined creates and explosion which would set in motion all sequence of bombs, grenades, and a contraption that would slice the person in half that came thru the front door)..

The trip wire was at waist height(where the person would in theory be cut in two).. The robot entered by simply going under the waist high trip wire, it picked up one of the two containers of liquid, and carefully brought that container of liquid back out of the apt.. Thereby disarming the explosion that would have happened when the one liquid was poured into the other..

So, IMO the shooter simply and very carefully went under the waist high trip wire when last leaving out of the apt..just as the robot did when it entered the apt.. Jmo, tho..

 

[Liz]

Thanks, SmoothOperator. Maybe my problem with figuring it out was that I wasn't buying that part about the trip wire cutting a person in two. Wonder how that works?

In my mind, a trip wire would trip off all the other booby traps. But I really don't know. Guess that's why I'm not a scientist!

Well for cryin' out loud ... I just found it and the first thing they did (robot) was to cut the trip wire! So simple .... who'd a thunk it! lol

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...olorado-movie-shooting-suspect-182341574.html

 

[KDOGG]

so they knew the apt was rigged cuz JH just came out & told them when he was arrested?

 

[Liz]

so they knew the apt was rigged cuz JH just came out & told them when he was arrested?

Yep, that was pretty much how it was reported.

I'm wondering if JH was just casually leaning back against his car, maybe taking a smoke break, thinking he had all kinds of time because (he thought) all the first responders were probably at his freshly exploded, towering inferno of an apartment building, trying to rescue the injured and put out the fires. I can practically visualize him doing that.

 

[scorekeeper]

Yep, that was pretty much how it was reported.

I'm wondering if JH was just casually leaning back against his car, maybe taking a smoke break, thinking he had all kinds of time because (he thought) all the first responders were probably at his freshly exploded, towering inferno of an apartment building, trying to rescue the injured and put out the fires. I can practically visualize him doing that.

1. Yep, seems the little coward thought he had it all worked out in his little sick, twisted mind. Loud techno music from his apartment from 12-1 am. He expected LE to respond and BOOM!!

2. first calls from movie came around 12:39 am. Police responded within 2 minutes. Don't know what he was doing or what his demeanor was when LE first spotted him. But from looking at pictures there appeared to be blood outside the door from theatre 9. So were movie goers running out the door with him?

3. So was he so shocked to see LE so soon that the statement about his apartment just slipped out? I also wonder was he walking toward his car, was he taking off his gear???

4. Then he tells LE or someone about the mailing he sent to the University...

He definitely seems to want to continue to be in the limelight...or to play that "gotcha" card

 

[songline]

That is hard to understand…..

Part of him kills 12 people and injures 59 more lease:
THEN tells LE about his apartment, car, and notebook sent to school...:waitasec:
Has he already made his mark in the theater, and wants to show them
he is no flunky and can rig up bombs
OR does he want to save the fellow students at his building? :waitasec:
Does he have a dual personality disorder?
I see it as if there are 2 people working in his head (maybe more)
In any case - he i s complex in the least.

 

[February]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/james-eagen-holmes-apartm_n_1699799.html


Dateline's Chris Hansen reportedly got a peek inside and described what he saw with NBC viewers, remarking that the explosives were sophisticated enough to take the building down.

In the middle of his living room are dozens of black softball shaped firework shells that he bought filled with explosive power. They are all over the place. In the middle there are two jars full of liquid wires as I said all over the place there was a black box with a red blinking light. A mechanical camera then pans over on top of a glass table -- you see this water cooler jug half full of bullet. Then you pan down, then you see this black box with another red blinking light. The camera goes over, there are two chairs one has a jar apparently with fluid. The other has another black box and then there are green soda pop bottles filled with fluid all the way around.


If the gasoline had been ignited, it would have created a deadly domino effect rigged to the opening of the front door.

Steven Foster, an International Security Expert and former officer with the Aurora Police Department told the Daily Beast that he suspects Holmes' plan was to create a diversion.

“This is a classic military tactic,” says Foster. “You create a diversion, and during the confusion you can have a higher level of impact in wounding people.”

 

[zvzvzv]

inspired by the psych thread (ability to conceal behaviors) i have a thought...
gasoline has a strong, unmistakable (alarming even) odor,
if people in an apartment building, especially with middle class,
university affiliated tenants smelled gasoline indoors this would raise attention.
i'm bringing this up because i believe it could be another clue
to the extent of JH's of realizing that making bombs in his apartment is wrong,
so he sealed the containers of gasoline (bombs) somewhere else,
then brought them in to set them up.
just a guess of course.

 

[zvzvzv]

That is hard to understand…..

Part of him kills 12 people and injures 59 more lease:
THEN tells LE about his apartment, car, and notebook sent to school...:waitasec:
Has he already made his mark in the theater, and wants to show them
he is no flunky and can rig up bombs
OR does he want to save the fellow students at his building? :waitasec:
Does he have a dual personality disorder?
I see it as if there are 2 people working in his head (maybe more)
In any case - he i s complex in the least.

i don't believe in multiple personality disorder,
i strongly believe in delusional thinking
(not for personally, but i think you know what i mean)
we don't know the wording or the context of this info he gave LE,
it could have been accidental, flawed conclusions based on delusions.
yes i knew i was a poet :seeya:

 

[shadowraiths]

i don't believe in multiple personality disorder

Whether you believe in it or not, MPD (aka DID) made it into the DSM V ( link ) Yes, it is highly debated. No, it presents nothing like the hollywood drama machine... or for that matter, the malingerers who attempt to use that as a defense.

As for whether this guy has it or not? That would be up to the defense psych to prove so. That is, assuming they even put such a disorder forward to support an insanity plea. I, personally, doubt they would. No matter.

Should they choose to go an unlikely DID route, that I am aware, there has only been one successful NGRI using DID as the defense. And that would be the case of Billy Milligan, a serial rapist, who was tried in 1978. ( link ) Here's an article listing the few NGRI cases who attempted to use DID. ( link ) The article only lists case up through 2000. A more recent though, unsurprisingly, failed case is that of Thomas "Zoo Man" Huskey ( link )

 

[Walker]

well now that we have separate threads, this will be easier to ask. i've been semi-following this case thru here the last couple days but with all the posts i cant read everything. anyway, im wondering why the bombs in the apartment never went off? he obviously rigged it to blow up....so what happened? apparently the 1st person thru the door was supposed to get cut in half as well. luckily this didnt take place, but i havent heard as to why not.

Could it be possible that LE had prior knowledge of the explosives? The building was populated mostly with medical students; someone may have observed the strange packages, and reported them earlier.

 

[zvzvzv]

My guess is that the basic questions immediately after the arrest were simple yes & no questions & JH was vague.
this is hypothetical of course!!

LE: Is there anyone else we should be looking for?
JH: No.
LE: Do you have any more weapons in your car?
JH: In the glovebox.
LE: Are there any explosives?
JH: Ummm:blushing:
JH: I'm the Joker, I don't have to tell you guys squat.

These are my thoughts opposed to the idea that he actually told LE about bombs, they figured it out based on his responses to questioning.

 

[songline]

so they knew the apt was rigged cuz JH just came out & told them when he was arrested?

And this part still has me scratching my head. If he wanted to do a lot of damage because he is so evil, why did he try to save anyone at all by sending in professionals to the scene?

I do realize that he can have multiple personalities. And we do not know this yet.

@ ZVZVZV - about Multiple personality disorder.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder

 

[songline]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/james-eagen-holmes-apartm_n_1699799.html


Dateline's Chris Hansen reportedly got a peek inside and described what he saw with NBC viewers, remarking that the explosives were sophisticated enough to take the building down.

In the middle of his living room are dozens of black softball shaped firework shells that he bought filled with explosive power. They are all over the place. In the middle there are two jars full of liquid wires as I said all over the place there was a black box with a red blinking light. A mechanical camera then pans over on top of a glass table -- you see this water cooler jug half full of bullet. Then you pan down, then you see this black box with another red blinking light. The camera goes over, there are two chairs one has a jar apparently with fluid. The other has another black box and then there are green soda pop bottles filled with fluid all the way around.


If the gasoline had been ignited, it would have created a deadly domino effect rigged to the opening of the front door.

Steven Foster, an International Security Expert and former officer with the Aurora Police Department told the Daily Beast that he suspects Holmes' plan was to create a diversion.“This is a classic military tactic,” says Foster. “You create a diversion, and during the confusion you can have a higher level of impact in wounding people.”

What exactly was he diverting??? :waitasec:
He sent the cops right to the spot.

So if there was a 2nd killer he can get away? :waitasec:
I am not so clear on this theory.

 

[zvzvzv]

@ ZVZVZV - about Multiple personality disorder.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder

I think that if multiple personalities were at play, and he had a part of him
that wanted to warn or save people, he would have slipped at some
point during the months of secretive planning, bomb making,
gun purchasing & target practice.
I think LE get more information from what criminals
don't say than the things they flat out admit to.