The Duct Tape Match

[Ripley007]

Just for HP I went and grabbed some duct tape and some solvent and disassemble some duct tape. The particular brand is Balkamp sold for NAPA Auto Parts Couldn't find out who really manufactures the tape. So if you ever wondered here's what it looks like

1. HEre's the whole role

2. Here's a strip of the tape intact silver side out an the other side is the adhesive side.

3. Here's the layers separated. The glue has been dissolved, the fabric mesh has been lifted off. The next strip is the inside of the silver part of the tape (what was under the adhesive) I imagine this is what was printed on the Henkel tape. Maybe tomorrow I'll stop at Lowes and buy some "Duck Brand" duct tape and see if it is indeed printed on the inside.

I did manage to work with this tape with Nitrile gloves on. It was a little difficult, especially laying a piece down on the table with the sticky side up. I was able to tear pieces off and applie them to the outside of garbage cans and boxes without too much problems.

Were you able to perform this test on (henkle) DUCK TAPE? Very curious. I posted earlier on that I have never, ever, in my life seen a logo imprinted on duct tape. TIA!

 

[Ripley007]

Funny you would ask... The other day when I arrived home from work, my wife told me she had watched an old rerun of Little House on the Prairie and sure enough there was a Henkel Tape sign in the Olsen's store. Quick research told me Henkel's a German company, started in 1922. Little Hoouse is set in the late 1800s.So, being a prop maker myself, I surmise that the prop guys/set decorators didn't make it a point to be super accurate, OR it was product placement. You know, soundstages and TV shows are one of the biggest customers of gaffer tape suppliers. (its the same as duct tape but usually black in color) So the set decorator used that sign because it was there and it was free and it looked good in the fake store, or like I said it was purposeful product placement. My wife said it was quite a large sign. So what is my point? I then read somewhere (maybe this thread, lol) that Case borrowed gaffer or "gripper" tape from a friend to hold the American flag on her for a costume party. Gripper stuff prolly means double-face tape. Hmmmm... I dunno, might not mean anything. Personally I think George had the original roll.

This issue always ticks me off a little bit. Amy writes like two sentences to KC. In these two sentence she tells KC off a little for "confiscating" her duct tape, then in the next sentence calls it gaff tape. So who's to say. LE if they asked her straight out.

 

[FairNBalanced]

Yes, the printing is definitely on the outside of the roll. There would be no reason to print a logo or other information on the inside and cover it with adhesive (it adds cost). The only time I've seen that is if it is a product that functions as a "tamper evident" product and I've only seen that for carton sealing tape.

Can someone direct me to the picture of the tape with the Henkel logo? I know I saw it, perhaps in the gas can pictures, but I can not find it now. I would like to get a second opinion on it.

I have done some more investigating and that printed logo is not as common as I originally believed. Generally, the printed products are the higher end products that professionals use and printing many times will include certifications (such as UL standards that are met). Someone also made mention of a 200F temperature notation. That indicates to me that that is a higher end product and not general purpose.

Also FWIW, Henkel does not actually manufacture their duct tape. Other tape company(s) make it for them and private label it.

If anyone can direct me to the photo, I will work on this some more to get a feel for how common that particular product is.

I can post pics now! Not sure I did this right, but as I said in another post...if WE have Henkel duct tape, it must be VERY common LOL We live 30 minutes from the Anthony's...who knows...we may even shop at the same Home Depot. IMO, There is no way anyone is tearing this tape with their bare hands or teeth. Need scissors or a knife...it's really tough.

 

[Rumpole]

I can post pics now! Not sure I did this right, but as I said in another post...if WE have Henkel duct tape, it must be VERY common LOL We live 30 minutes from the Anthony's...who knows...we may even shop at the same Home Depot. IMO, There is no way anyone is tearing this tape with their bare hands or teeth. Need scissors or a knife...it's really tough.

Can you hear sirens at the moment?

If that is the type of tape that KC used, then the infamous kitchen knife might be revived?

 

[Ripley007]

I'm even more confussed than ever. This is suppossed to be the "most popular" brand of duct tape in the USA? Again, never, ever, in my entire life, have i ever seen a logo embossed on duct tape.

 

[Ripley007]

HP. Where did these pics come from?

 

[ecs5298]

Were you able to perform this test on (henkle) DUCK TAPE? Very curious. I posted earlier on that I have never, ever, in my life seen a logo imprinted on duct tape. TIA!

I wasn't able to pick any up today. So sorry, no.

 

[ecs5298]

I can post pics now! Not sure I did this right, but as I said in another post...if WE have Henkel duct tape, it must be VERY common LOL We live 30 minutes from the Anthony's...who knows...we may even shop at the same Home Depot. IMO, There is no way anyone is tearing this tape with their bare hands or teeth. Need scissors or a knife...it's really tough.

Was this printing on the outside of the tape or under the adhesive?

 

[Rumpole]

Was this printing on the outside of the tape or under the adhesive?

Hi Done your homework?

The picture looks like on the outside not the adhesive.
But as stated this is a specialised and less common high temp variety. I am now keen to solve this silly little part of the puzzle.
Seems to me obvious logo is not common on domestic tape. It is reported that this logo IS on gas can tape and skull tape. I still do not know if that is significant or not.

 

[ecs5298]

Hi Done your homework?

The picture looks like on the outside not the adhesive.
But as stated this is a specialised and less common high temp variety. I am now keen to solve this silly little part of the puzzle.
Seems to me obvious logo is not common on domestic tape. It is reported that this logo IS on gas can tape and skull tape. I still do not know if that is significant or not.

I agree. Never have seen it on consumer brand tape. Wonder if it's sold local down there.

 

[dbromley]

Yes, the printing is definitely on the outside of the roll. There would be no reason to print a logo or other information on the inside and cover it with adhesive (it adds cost). The only time I've seen that is if it is a product that functions as a "tamper evident" product and I've only seen that for carton sealing tape.

Can someone direct me to the picture of the tape with the Henkel logo? I know I saw it, perhaps in the gas can pictures, but I can not find it now. I would like to get a second opinion on it.

I have done some more investigating and that printed logo is not as common as I originally believed. Generally, the printed products are the higher end products that professionals use and printing many times will include certifications (such as UL standards that are met). Someone also made mention of a 200F temperature notation. That indicates to me that that is a higher end product and not general purpose.

Also FWIW, Henkel does not actually manufacture their duct tape. Other tape company(s) make it for them and private label it.

If anyone can direct me to the photo, I will work on this some more to get a feel for how common that particular product is.

Henkel does manufacture their own tape -- I live right near the Henkel Manco division in Avon, Ohio that made this tape, I know one of the managers, and they just relocated to Westlake, Ohio.

If it were "special" tape you would think the FBI results would not be inconclusive because this tape would be more unique.

Also, who spends money on high-end tape to put it on their gas cans?

Not to mention, you'd have to be dumb as rocks to use a special roll of duct tape in a killing and not get rid of it but leave it lying around your home. No one would do that.

I'm still waiting for the results of the fibers (which really should have been done already as it will be very telling), and even if they matched, which I highly doubt they will, others did have access to her keys to her car, home, computer, etc. and I have not ruled out at least two suspect persons who appear to have motive and means and more importantly were caught in lies in their statements as being potentially involved, but I digress...

 

[Rumpole]

Henkel does manufacture their own tape -- I live right near the Henkel Manco division in Avon, Ohio that made this tape, I know one of the managers, and they just relocated to Westlake, Ohio.

If it were "special" tape you would think the FBI results would not be inconclusive because this tape would be more unique.

Also, who spends money on high-end tape to put it on their gas cans?

Not to mention, you'd have to be dumb as rocks to use a special roll of duct tape in a killing and not get rid of it but leave it lying around your home. No one would do that.

I'm still waiting for the results of the fibers (which really should have been done already as it will be very telling), and even if they matched, which I highly doubt they will, others did have access to her keys to her car, home, computer, etc. and I have not ruled out at least two suspect persons who appear to have motive and means and more importantly were caught in lies in their statements as being potentially involved, but I digress...

If pressed I could come up with reasons for having specialised tape. Perhaps GA had it from family car business, just a spare roll he did not regard as much because it cost him nothing. Similarly a person who used it might not realise it was in any way special.

But we don't know if that is applicable at all.

I would have thought by now WS in the area or US in general would have said whether or not basic duct tape sold for home all or mostly all has a logo or not.

I have no idea.

 

[ecs5298]

Not to mention, you'd have to be dumb as rocks to use a special roll of duct tape in a killing and not get rid of it but leave it lying around your home. No one would do that.

They did get rid of it. The rest of the roll was never found. Just the piece on the gas can that they probably forgot about.

 

[FairNBalanced]

Was this printing on the outside of the tape or under the adhesive?

The printing is on the shiny non-adhesive side of the tape. I displayed the second pic so you could see the reflection of the camera flash on the side with the printing. This tape was probably purchased before one of the many hurricanes we had in recent years. I'm sure thousands of rolls of this tape were probably sold here in central Florida then along with other hurricane supplies. Believe me...we would have no reason to purchase specialized tape, and we would have grabbed whatever was stacked on display, while picking up batteries, plywood and other hurricane necessities.

 

[gopheraj]

Was in WalMart yesterday and saw an Enquirer with a headline that said that Casey's fingerprints were on the duct tape found with little Caylee. Did not have time to get the newspaper to take home and read though.

 

[Hot Dogs]

They did get rid of it. The rest of the roll was never found. Just the piece on the gas can that they probably forgot about.

Are you saying that the family intentionally disposed of a roll of duct tape? Why and when? You seem to be implying that the family knew duct tape was key evidence in this case.

Is it possible that the roll got used up instead? Is it possible that KC removed the roll from the house?

 

[karenmamo]

Just the thought of duct tape over anyone's face is difficult to wrap my mind around, let alone a small child.

Hard to believe for sure.
The tape is why I cannot believe Caylee was killed in the home.:twocents:

 

[ecs5298]

Are you saying that the family intentionally disposed of a roll of duct tape? Why and when? You seem to be implying that the family knew duct tape was key evidence in this case.

Is it possible that the roll got used up instead? Is it possible that KC removed the roll from the house?

Probably along the same lines that they knew where to send DC to look for the remains in November.

Or you may be right. They may have used the rest of the tape but then again, if they had used the rest of the tape around the house I'm sure LE would have seized those items as well.

KC may have taken the rest of the roll with her and tossed it out the window.

My point is that the lack of a roll of duct tape at the A's house doesn't mean squat. The tape was on the remains, the tape was on a gas can at the house, they matched.

 

[jon_burrows]

Are you saying that the family intentionally disposed of a roll of duct tape? Why and when? You seem to be implying that the family knew duct tape was key evidence in this case.

Is it possible that the roll got used up instead? Is it possible that KC removed the roll from the house?

She could have gotten rid of the duct tape roll and the sheet of heart stickers when she was out on bail. Her attorney probably advised her to get rid of anything from the house that could tie her to the body. Jose couldn't come right out and say that but he could say....ya know Casey, if her body is found and there is anything left on her body that can be traced to that person's house, they're going down for murder.

 

[Rumpole]

I am still waiting for a US citizen to tell me if Duct Tape with "Henkel" printed on it is common or not?
No money need change hands just look at what is on the shelves at some mega store.