The Duct Tape Match

[Muzikman]

Another post by FairNBalanced concerning the Henkel tape.

Note that this pic of the inside of his roll also shows the "Duck" logo. In general this is not indicative of high dollar, special purpose tapes, so that avenue of approach is likely to be unsatisfactory.

You might want to read the Henkel docs released last week.

 

[fortytwo]

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And on another note, that gas can is metal and those are not cheap and actually are difficult to find anymore, so Georges ONLY alternative, if he was partial to that metal can, WAS to use duct tape on the vent hole if he wanted to "repair" it. It is obviously an old can-he may even have BROUGHT that can from Ohio...I personally have not seen a metal gas can like that for sale anywhere around these parts in YEARS...

I have to disagree with this. Metal fuel cans are quite ubiquitous. Just check out a Google search or two. Cheap to expensive from anywhere from Lowes and Ace to safety product specialists.

More significantly the places where metal cans have to be used are common, and increasing. OSHA has forbidden plastic fuel containers for years. I don't know if the laws are state or federal concerning gas stations, but many if not all of them are not supposed to allow you to purchase gas in a plastic container.

(Note: The reason for this is not because of concerns about the strength of the container. It's about spark prevention. A good steel fuel can will have a screen in the filler hole. It's not to keep junk out. It's a spark arrest system. Proper procedure includes placing the can on the ground, not a tailgate or trunk, and insuring that the pump nozzle contacts that screen. This creates a path to ground for static electricity, and reduces the chance of a spark arcing. Hence the requirement for metal.)

The A's can in question appears to be a bottom end model, about the cheapest that could be bought. Wear and tear is coordinate with a few years of lawn maintenance use for the yard obsessed.

 

[fortytwo]

You might want to read the Henkel docs released last week.

I would dearly love to.

Can't find 'em.

Please help.

I've seen lots of talk about the 2K pgs. released 8/25, and some news reports about the rarity of the tape, but no meat.

My Google-Fu is letting me down.

 

[Numbers]

I thought that odd duct tape was only made in 2006 - 2007, in which case, I don't think they would have bought it in Ohio. They had already been living in Florida for some years by then.

No matter, no jury worth the time it takes to select it is going to miss the significance of that particular duct tape turning up on those gas cans AND on baby Caylee.

We can surmise that Casey did not buy this duct tape. I hope George and Cindy completely understand that they bought the last nail in Casey's coffin.

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[Numbers]

I really do think he may have been repairing the gas can but he could have also bought it to repair KC's car's leaking gas line or whatever. A roll of fireproof tape was probably cheaper than a new gas can and definately cheaper than a car repair and I think he probably has to account for every cent to CA.
I wonder, if he did in fact report his gas can as stolen, he didn't describe it, including the tape on some police report. It may have been a tape, he became familiar with when he worked in the car business.

Or it could be something as simple as there was a big, shiny display of this duct tape when he went to buy a roll.

I'm not trying to be smart - just trying to keep things simple. Face it - George is pretty simple minded.

 

[essies]

I would dearly love to.

Can't find 'em.

Please help.

I've seen lots of talk about the 2K pgs. released 8/25, and some news reports about the rarity of the tape, but no meat.

My Google-Fu is letting me down.

Here's a link to the Henkel Business Record Certification
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10725800/Henkel-Tape-Specs

 

[okiedokietoo]

recap because I think it's needed

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20713777/detail.html
State: Duct Tape In Anthony Case 'Rare'
Prosecution Plans To Link Tape Found On Caylee's Body To Gas Can
Tony Pipitone
POSTED: Thursday, September 3, 2009
UPDATED: 7:35 pm EDT September 3, 2009

(quoted from article)
Only 134,719 rolls were sold in 2006 and 2007 in North America, according to the records submitted to the court Thursday.

 

[magic-cat]

I have to disagree with this. Metal fuel cans are quite ubiquitous. Just check out a Google search or two. Cheap to expensive from anywhere from Lowes and Ace to safety product specialists.

More significantly the places where metal cans have to be used are common, and increasing. OSHA has forbidden plastic fuel containers for years. I don't know if the laws are state or federal concerning gas stations, but many if not all of them are not supposed to allow you to purchase gas in a plastic container.

(Note: The reason for this is not because of concerns about the strength of the container. It's about spark prevention. A good steel fuel can will have a screen in the filler hole. It's not to keep junk out. It's a spark arrest system. Proper procedure includes placing the can on the ground, not a tailgate or trunk, and insuring that the pump nozzle contacts that screen. This creates a path to ground for static electricity, and reduces the chance of a spark arcing. Hence the requirement for metal.)

The A's can in question appears to be a bottom end model, about the cheapest that could be bought. Wear and tear is coordinate with a few years of lawn maintenance use for the yard obsessed.

I don't know about all of that. I know my husband is a landscaper and uses gas cans on an almost daily basis. I asked him when was the last time he saw a metal gas can and he said years ago. I asked him if at any of the homes where he works if he has used or seen a metal gas can and he had not. I then asked him if all the three million times that he has gone to a gas station to fill a can if he ever saw a sign or anything to indicate that it was "illegal" to use a plastic can and once again-negative...so I am not sure what the good google search is telling but the reality of what we see day to day here where we live is that hardly no metal gas cans are anywhere and for sale in our Lowes, our Walmart, our K-Mart and our Magic-Mart are ALL plastic cans...so Osha or whatever state agency has mandated this "law" might want to come into Virginia and have a look-see...because that law is not being observed in these here parts.

And that can of Georges, to me, looks much older than just a few years...it looks ancient to me...but that's just me. Perhaps they will ask him when and where he got it and he MIGHT tell the truth and we can know for sure...but then again, this IS George so the odds are against it.

 

[fortytwo]

Here's a link to the Henkel Business Record Certification
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10725800/Henkel-Tape-Specs

Many thanks.

I hadn't seen this SA release, although the specs themselves have an odd familiarity. I need to do some hunting.

Thing is, I don't think "Industrial Fire Resistant..." means what some people seem to think it means. This isn't some super-duper mil spec tape. It isn't the cheapest thing on the shelf, but it's still pretty plain vanilla.

Other thing is. We know that someone walked into a big-box home improvement store in the A's neck of the woods and bought a roll of this tape. The State can talk about how rare it is 'til they're blue in the face, but if the defense can prove it was on a shelf in an Orlando Home Depot or Lowes then none of that matters.

 

[babiesstolemydingo]

I have to disagree with this. Metal fuel cans are quite ubiquitous. Just check out a Google search or two. Cheap to expensive from anywhere from Lowes and Ace to safety product specialists.

More significantly the places where metal cans have to be used are common, and increasing. OSHA has forbidden plastic fuel containers for years. I don't know if the laws are state or federal concerning gas stations, but many if not all of them are not supposed to allow you to purchase gas in a plastic container.

(Note: The reason for this is not because of concerns about the strength of the container. It's about spark prevention. A good steel fuel can will have a screen in the filler hole. It's not to keep junk out. It's a spark arrest system. Proper procedure includes placing the can on the ground, not a tailgate or trunk, and insuring that the pump nozzle contacts that screen. This creates a path to ground for static electricity, and reduces the chance of a spark arcing. Hence the requirement for metal.)

The A's can in question appears to be a bottom end model, about the cheapest that could be bought. Wear and tear is coordinate with a few years of lawn maintenance use for the yard obsessed.

FWIW, this isn't an issue in Florida. I live in Orlando and have plastic gas cans (plus an old metal one that we no longer use and need to get rid of). We have quite a few 5 gallon plastic ones we fill to fuel our generator in case of hurricanes and power outages. Never a problem filling them. Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace, etc., all have tons of plastic gas cans in stock.

 

[fortytwo]

I don't know about all of that. I know my husband is a landscaper and uses gas cans on an almost daily basis. I asked him when was the last time he saw a metal gas can and he said years ago. I asked him if at any of the homes where he works if he has used or seen a metal gas can and he had not. I then asked him if all the three million times that he has gone to a has station to fill a can if he ever saw a sign or anything to indicate that it was "illegal" to use a plastic can and once again-negative...so I am not sure what the good google search is telling but the reality of what we see day to day here where we live is that hardly no metal gas cans are anywhere and for sale in our Lowes, our Walmart, our K-Mart and our Magic-Mart are ALL plastic cans...so Osha or whatever state agency has mandated this "law" might want to come into Virginia and have a look-see...because that law is not being observed in these here parts.

And that can of Georges, to me, looks much older than just a few years...it looks ancient to me...but that's just me. Perhaps they will ask him when and where he got it and he MIGHT tell the truth and we can know for sure...but then again, this IS George so the odds are against it.

Lowes steel gas can.

Ace Hardware steel gas cans.

I wouldn't even think of shopping for gas cans at K- Mart or Magic Mart (whatever that is).

I'll let you search the web for more examples yourself. There's plenty out there.

OSHA has this to say about safety fuel cans, to start with...

1926.155(l)
"Safety can" means an approved closed container, of not more than 5 gallons capacity, having a flash-arresting screen, spring-closing lid and spout cover and so designed that it will safely relieve internal pressure when subjected to fire exposure.


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There's much more. OSHA regs are great fun to read. You can amuse yourself for hours.


A salient point here is the "... having a flash arresting screen ..." part. This can be done with plastic or poly containers, but those are really hard to find. Run down to Lowes and buy a steel one.



Non-OSHA regulated flammable liquid transport rules can differ by state. Your mileage may vary. )) You can check local listings.



In short, steel gas cans are common, standard, recommended, and a very good idea.

 

[Curious Me]

It figures that the tape found over the poor baby's mouth/nose area would match the tape on the gas cans that were stolen from the shed by Casey. Am I suppose to believe anyone else murdered that little girl, when adding the tape evidence with everything else shouts Casey is Guilty. She put tape over Caylee's mouth and nose, then a cute little heart sticker.

I think I missed why George had duct tape on the cans. Why tape? Well. I'm sure glad it was on those cans just so it could match.

There's nothing confusing about the results of the duct tape evidence, IMO. It obviously came from the house, and the only prowler(s) seem to be Casey going into the house and shed. No one reported any prowler to the police except when George reported the gas cans, and the prowler was Casey.

 

[Kentjbkent]

It figures that the tape found over the poor baby's mouth/nose area would match the tape on the gas cans that were stolen from the shed by Casey. Am I suppose to believe anyone else murdered that little girl, when adding the tape evidence with everything else shouts Casey is Guilty. She put tape over Caylee's mouth and nose, then a cute little heart sticker.

I think I missed why George had duct tape on the cans. Why tape? Well. I'm sure glad it was on those cans just so it could match.
There's nothing confusing about the results of the duct tape evidence, IMO. It obviously came from the house, and the only prowler(s) seem to be Casey going into the house and shed. No one reported any prowler to the police except when George reported the gas cans, and the prowler was Casey.

Has it been determined that the tape on the gas cans was placed there PRIOR to Caylee even disappearing?

Could Casey have placed the duct tape pieces on the cans during the act of putting tape on little Caylee's.....ugh, you know....

I know when I am sometimes wrapping or taping numerous things, I will cut several small strips and "hang" them off a desk or counter edge, then proceed with my project. Much easier than ripping a piece, placing it, ripping a piece, placing it, etc.

Get my drift?

 

[Muzikman]

I would dearly love to.

Can't find 'em.

Please help.

I've seen lots of talk about the 2K pgs. released 8/25, and some news reports about the rarity of the tape, but no meat.

My Google-Fu is letting me down.

They were posted on Page 28 of THIS thread - you might want to read all of the discussion since then. And in a new thread last week - where you might want to also read the helpful discussion.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88514"]2 new Docs filed Sept 3, 2009 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


OSHA regulations only apply to businesses, not the general public. There are plenty of plastic AND metal gas cans available for purchase. I myself like plastic ones, they do not rust (and then leak!).

The signs you may have seen at gas stations refer to other things like milk jugs, anti-freeze containers etc, which people will sometimes try to use to put gas in. Those things will melt from the gas, whereas gas cans are made of a specific kind of material that will not melt.
Hope that helps -

 

[Star12]

Has it been determined that the tape on the gas cans was placed there PRIOR to Caylee even disappearing?

Could Casey have placed the duct tape pieces on the cans during the act of putting tape on little Caylee's.....ugh, you know....

I know when I am sometimes wrapping or taping numerous things, I will cut several small strips and "hang" them off a desk or counter edge, then proceed with my project. Much easier than ripping a piece, placing it, ripping a piece, placing it, etc.

Get my drift?

I don't think that it would make much of a difference if the tape was placed on the can before or after Caylee disappeared. The tape on the can just signifies that it is the same type found on Caylee. The tapes are the same, and both the can with tape, and Caylee with tape were from the Anthony home.

I don't think Casey would be disposed to putting the tape on the can. It appears to me that the tape was replacing a lost or misplaced valve relief cover.

JMHO

 

[Muzikman]

Many thanks.

I hadn't seen this SA release, although the specs themselves have an odd familiarity. I need to do some hunting.

Thing is, I don't think "Industrial Fire Resistant..." means what some people seem to think it means. This isn't some super-duper mil spec tape. It isn't the cheapest thing on the shelf, but it's still pretty plain vanilla.

Other thing is. We know that someone walked into a big-box home improvement store in the A's neck of the woods and bought a roll of this tape. The State can talk about how rare it is 'til they're blue in the face, but if the defense can prove it was on a shelf in an Orlando Home Depot or Lowes then none of that matters.

Plain vanilla duct tape would be what you can buy at many, many, many stores, including corner convenience stores. Cheap stuff.

This particular tape was only possibly available at 3 chains in Orlando, for a limited period of time before it was discontinued. It was made specifically for HVAC work, thus the higher temperature rating than cheap duct tape. It IS also extremely rare for duct tape to have the printing on the face of it.

Note that your poster also said it could not be ripped by hand easily like most cheap duct tape, but would have to be cut (paraphrasing).

 

[snow_walker]

The idea of having to cut the tape somehow adds an extra dimension to the whole matter..first go find a pair of scizzors...she needed 3 pieces to cover the baby's mouth and nose..
cut a piece, apply.. cut a piece, apply.. cut a piece, apply. Or perhaps cut the 3 pieces first and hang them on the edge of the dresser to have them ready at hand..There is a type of horror in the details of this case that is simply unbearable.

 

[essies]

The idea of having to cut the tape somehow adds an extra dimension to the whole matter..first go find a pair of scizzors...she needed 3 pieces to cover the baby's mouth and nose..
cut a piece, apply.. cut a piece, apply.. cut a piece, apply. Or perhaps cut the 3 pieces first and hang them on the edge of the dresser to have them ready at hand..There is a type of horror in the details of this case that is simply unbearable.

The horror in the details reeks of premeditation and that is why the SA brought back the death penalty!! :furious: IMO

 

[78gidget78]

IMO steak knife = cut the tape.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The tape that was found over Caylee's skull read "Consumer Adhesives Inc. max temp 200f Avon Ohio 44011. So, this could mean that this will help the prosecution even more to connect the tape found on Caylee coming from the Anthony home. I wonder if they have traced the tape purchase back to Ohio? It is odd that the tape is from there since that is where the Anthony's once lived many years ago to still have some of the tape around. Or is it that just where the tape is manufactured? http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html