The enhanced 911 ending

[reintarnation]

JMO but PR's speech patterns are always odd, and her remark, "What did you do?", as heard on the enhanced 911 after-play, is not a question to BR with the expectation of an answer. The timing is the issue, and JBR was long dead and the scene all staged for LE before PR picked up the phone to call 911 - so PR and JR already know whatever happened. I take PR's "What did you do?" together with "Help me, Jesus!" as rhetorical muttering and referencing PR herself - another person might say "What have I done?" but with PR it comes out with the misplaced "you" so prominent in the speech of families with boundary issues (sometimes this is referred to as "borderline speech" using "you" when it should be "I" particularly in regard to declarative statements of emotions, eg, "I feel angry when X happens" comes out as "You feel angry when X happens" creating the boundary problems).

I have been thinking about this all day. THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Crazy good sluething, SandyQLS! In this scenario, BR and JR are having a side conversation while PR is sort of reeling from her call.​This is one of those a-ha moments that gave me chills.

 

[reintarnation]

Real Crime Profiles Podcast with Jim Clemente and Laura Richards (featured on CBS docuseries - The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey)

https://soundcloud.com/real-crime-profile

Episode 36: Jim and Laura re-investigate the homicide two decades later (09/19/16)
Episode 37: Examining the 911 Call and Ransom Note (09/21/16)

This a great companion to the special! Listening right now and they are diving deeper on the 911 call. You should definitely listen if you can!

 

[invaderzim]

Burke knew about the murder but he didn't know about the cover up. I bet he killed his sister and hid in his room. His mom got up later to take Jonbenet to the bathroom and couldn't find her, she gets John and they search the house, hence Burke's memory of his mom going "psycho saying "where's my baby where's my baby." When they find her operation cover up begins while Burke is still upstairs hiding. They call 911 as Burke makes an entrance. He sees they are calling the cops but hears them talking about or sees the ransom note so he asks, "what did you find?" because he has no idea why there's a ransom note. He's not asking "what's happened?" or "why are you calling the cops?" He's asking about the ransom note that he didn't write. John is mad at him and says "we're not talking to you." Patsy says "what did you do?" And then they lie their asses off for 20 years about Burke being awake and in the kitchen that morning. You can bet your life they were covering for Burke.

They just assumed upon finding JB that BDI and then proceeded to cover up for him without confronting him about it? I find that next to impossible to believe.

 

[YouWho]

I have been wondering about this. Especially about the sequence of events that unfolded that night. Exactly when and where was JBR's body found ? By whom ? And why does PR ask such a question ? This doesn't add up ? jmo

Also, I don't understand this conversation the way it flows ? First, JR says "We aren't speaking to you " Then PR says " Help me Jesus " and then, finally BR Says " But what did you find " ? Why would JR say that before BR has spoken ? I could only definitely hear JR the rest was not clear. jmo

Frankly, I always thought Burke was responding to Patsy having 'found' the ransom note. She'd just reported to 911 that she found a ransom note, BR came in at the tail end of the 911 call and asked his dad what was going on, his dad said we're not talking to you, and Burke insisted, "What DID you find?"

Burke was probably sent to bed after JB's body was found. For all I know, PR or JR gave him one of John's Ativans that he'd been taking since his depression from Beth's death (along with that, he was also on an anti-depressant). That would explain (IMO) Burke's potential memory loss. Benzo's can make you black out somewhat and yet appear to be functional, IME.

...and that's when they told him to get his *advertiser censored* back in bed and do not talk to anyone.

 

[Sunshine4Me]

They just assumed upon finding JB that BDI and then proceeded to cover up for him without confronting him about it? I find that next to impossible to believe.

Not if it had Burke written all over it. We still don't really know where in the house it happened or exactly what went down. It could have been in her bedroom and Patsy found her there with Burke's feces smeared on the candy and knew instantly. Maybe the "where's my baby where's my baby" part was made up. The only confrontation I can see them having with him right then is telling him to get in his gosh darn room and don't come out until they get him. I think the plan was to tell him after the 911 call to stay put and his story was he was asleep the entire time. Very, very simple even he couldn't mess it up, except he did mess it up by coming out of his room.

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[singularity]

Not if it had Burke written all over it. We still don't really know where in the house it happened or exactly what went down. It could have been in her bedroom and Patsy found her there with Burke's feces smeared on the candy and knew instantly. Maybe the "where's my baby where's my baby" part was made up. The only confrontation I can see them having with him right then is telling him to get in his gosh darn room and don't come out until they get him. I think the plan was to tell him after the 911 call to stay put and his story was he was asleep the entire time. Very, very simple even he couldn't mess it up, except he did mess it up by coming out of his room.

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invader just said that it was "next to impossible to believe" so obviously he/she does not believe it "had Burke written all over it".

That feces was never actually tested for feces, among other things.

"Where's my baby?" is made up now? THis is the biggest problem with this latest BDI theory being pushed by the media. Not only does it have to ignore tons of evidence, it even has to ignore what little new evidence came out during these latest shows and book. I'm so glad there's at least a few people who haven't developed collective amnesia and pretend everything they've seen over the past twenty years never happened.

This show did a huge disservice to this case and truth and any potential justice were its casualty. Once the smoke from it quickly clears, more people are going to see that because I have doubts that people who have studied the case for years will continue to ignore all the evidence left out just so they can keep saying the flavor of the day which is BDI.

CBS was looking for attention/controversy by going in that direction. It backfired. Its already off the headlines due to other news and now all thats left is a poor case made for it that leaves out the majority of things known about the case. They didn't tackle any of the big issues in the case and I'm glad to see there's at least a handful of people left who saw through the smoke and mirrors. IMO BDI got weaker after that broadcast, not stronger.

Burke might be on the 911 call? That had already been assumed since Moses wore short pants. He was a little nervous and acted a bit strange during his interview? No shocker there. I'm reminded of that old woman on the Wendy's commercial........"Where's the beef?" CBS didn't provide any. You must fill in the blanks and ignore just about everything you know on the case to create a thin Tofu patty in the place of the beef.

Hell, people are now saying "all questions have been answered" even though almost nothing was actually answered. In fact, the series just added more questions to an already very long list so I am blown away by those claiming this series brought some sort of closure.

 

[singularity]

Burke was probably sent to bed after JB's body was found. For all I know, PR or JR gave him one of John's Ativans that he'd been taking since his depression from Beth's death (along with that, he was also on an anti-depressant). That would explain (IMO) Burke's potential memory loss. Benzo's can make you black out somewhat and yet appear to be functional, IME.

Wow. You're insinuating they doped up Burke long term on benzos to create memory loss? Sweet baby Jesus. One benzo sure as hell isn't going to create such a desired effect.

I agree Patsy herself was drowning in pills and maybe even gave them to Jonbenet at pagaents to prevent accidents but now we have Burke taking them as well to create memory loss?!?!?

 

[Luckymanuh]

What I have always wonder is if BP was ever asked what time was it when PR came running in his room saying "Where'she my baby?". He made it seen like it was in the morning what if it happened alot earlier during the night when PR woke up or went into JBR room to take her to the bathroom one more time before she went to bed. It would explain why she was still in the same clothes from night before.
There are some many ways this whole situation could have played out. I really hope some day the truth will come out.

 

[singularity]

What I have always wonder is if BP was ever asked what time was it when PR came running in his room saying "Where'she my baby?". He made it seen like it was in the morning what if it happened alot earlier during the night when PR woke up or went into JBR room to take her to the bathroom one more time before she went to bed. It would explain why she was still in the same clothes from night before.
There are some many ways this whole situation could have played out. I really hope some day the truth will come out.

I'd have to rewatch the Dr Phil segments to be sure but I think he said "that night". In all fairness, even early in the morning could appear to be night since its still dark outside so it would be difficult to get an exact time for when this happened.

 

[nona's mum]

Just throwing my opinion in to the mix, I agree there are definitely 3 voices on the tape. However I can't really tell what was said. I can see where they're coming from in "the case of" but I don't know if I can really hear it or it's all the power of suggestion

 

[invaderzim]

invader just said that it was "next to impossible to believe" so obviously he/she does not believe it "had Burke written all over it".

I now feel BDI is very possible, what I don't think is possible is that they would have not confronted him about it immediately. Could they have been 100% sure it WASN'T an intruder? How could they not have checked on him if he was back in bed when they found JB? Did they say, "Well, it looks like it was Burke but let's let him sleep and get this thing staged"? Silly.

 

[johnjay]

I now feel BDI is very possible, what I don't think is possible is that they would have not confronted him about it immediately. Could they have been 100% sure it WASN'T an intruder? How could they not have checked on him if he was back in bed when they found JB? Did they say, "Well, it looks like it was Burke but let's let him sleep and get this thing staged"? Silly.

Of course it's silly to think that they didn't confront him right away.

 

[Annapurna]

Wow. You're insinuating they doped up Burke long term on benzos to create memory loss? Sweet baby Jesus. One benzo sure as hell isn't going to create such a desired effect.

I agree Patsy herself was drowning in pills and maybe even gave them to Jonbenet at pagaents to prevent accidents but now we have Burke taking them as well to create memory loss?!?!?

Obviously I have no idea if they did this or not, I just have to throw my $0.02 in: it is possible to lose memory from one dose of a benzo. I'm speaking from experience, I was once given a strong dose of Klonopin (panic attack) and while I didn't "black out" or pass out, I had huge gaps in my memory of that day, plus what i did remember seems kind of "soft focus" or dream-like. For a ~75lb child I imagine that effect would be the same if not stronger.

So just saying its possible, not likely.

 

[singularity]

I'm speaking from experience as well with 20 years off and on using various pills. In your case, the panic attack and stress from it likely played more of a role in any potential memory loss than one klonopin, regardless of the dosage.

Give a child a dose of klonopin and they're likely to fall asleep unless your giving them something else to go along with it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

invader just said that it was "next to impossible to believe" so obviously he/she does not believe it "had Burke written all over it".

That feces was never actually tested for feces, among other things.

"Where's my baby?" is made up now? THis is the biggest problem with this latest BDI theory being pushed by the media. Not only does it have to ignore tons of evidence, it even has to ignore what little new evidence came out during these latest shows and book. I'm so glad there's at least a few people who haven't developed collective amnesia and pretend everything they've seen over the past twenty years never happened.

This show did a huge disservice to this case and truth and any potential justice were its casualty. Once the smoke from it quickly clears, more people are going to see that because I have doubts that people who have studied the case for years will continue to ignore all the evidence left out just so they can keep saying the flavor of the day which is BDI.

CBS was looking for attention/controversy by going in that direction. It backfired. Its already off the headlines due to other news and now all thats left is a poor case made for it that leaves out the majority of things known about the case. They didn't tackle any of the big issues in the case and I'm glad to see there's at least a handful of people left who saw through the smoke and mirrors. IMO BDI got weaker after that broadcast, not stronger.

Burke might be on the 911 call? That had already been assumed since Moses wore short pants. He was a little nervous and acted a bit strange during his interview? No shocker there. I'm reminded of that old woman on the Wendy's commercial........"Where's the beef?" CBS didn't provide any. You must fill in the blanks and ignore just about everything you know on the case to create a thin Tofu patty in the place of the beef.

Hell, people are now saying "all questions have been answered" even though almost nothing was actually answered. In fact, the series just added more questions to an already very long list so I am blown away by those claiming this series brought some sort of closure.

I've been following this case for 19 years- closely. I musta missed that mountain of evidence you claim points to an intruder. Please refresh my memory.
Way I see it, IDI is left with a scuff mark.


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[reintarnation]

Obviously I have no idea if they did this or not, I just have to throw my $0.02 in: it is possible to lose memory from one dose of a benzo. I'm speaking from experience, I was once given a strong dose of Klonopin (panic attack) and while I didn't "black out" or pass out, I had huge gaps in my memory of that day, plus what i did remember seems kind of "soft focus" or dream-like. For a ~75lb child I imagine that effect would be the same if not stronger.

So just saying its possible, not likely.

We do know that both Ramseys were taking prescription meds (at least Ativan and Prozac) and also had access to sleeping pills. They were prescribed these medications by their therapists and, bizarrely, by JBR's pediatrician.

If those kids' medical records are ever released, we'll know exactly what kind of meds Burke was on!

 

[singularity]

I've been following this case for 19 years- closely. I musta missed that mountain of evidence you claim points to an intruder. Please refresh my memory.
Way I see it, IDI is left with a scuff mark.


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Funny. I guess now if you don't think Burke bludgeoned her as she took a bite of pineapple, it means you think an intruder killed her.

Find a post of mine where I claim there's a mountain of evidence pointing to an intruder and I'll gladly paypal 500 bucks to the charity of your choice.

 

[singularity]

We do know that both Ramseys were taking prescription meds (at least Ativan and Prozac) and also had access to sleeping pills. They were prescribed these medications by their therapists and, bizarrely, by JBR's pediatrician.

If those kids' medical records are ever released, we'll know exactly what kind of meds Burke was on!

While true, I'm pretty sure Patsy was also taking valium at one point although I don't remember if this was in one of the transcripts or books.

When was John taking Ativan? That I don't remember.


Also take into account these people drank alcohol.....which intensifies the effects of these medications to say the least. In fact, you're playing with fire if taking large doses although we don't know if they combined them or even if so, how often.


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They were prescribed these medications by their therapists and, bizarrely, by JBR's pediatrician.

I have issues with that and its absolutely unreal that BPD/DA did not dig deeper into his role that day. HIm being there prescribing Patsy meds is a red flag that went ignored.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Funny. I guess now if you don't think Burke bludgeoned her as she took a bite of pineapple, it means you think an intruder killed her.

Find a post of mine where I claim there's a mountain of evidence pointing to an intruder and I'll gladly paypal 500 bucks to the charity of your choice.

I don't care what Burkes motive was for bashing her in the head. Pineapple/Christmas presents or countless other reasons.

What evidence exactly must be ignored to conclude Burke's participation?


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[singularity]

I don't care what Burkes motive was for bashing her in the head. Pineapple/Christmas presents or countless other reasons.

What evidence exactly must be ignored to conclude Burke's participation?


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If you followed the case for 19 years I'd assume you realize how much information on this case was skimmed over in these new series so the latest version of BDI can be on front street. I don't have the time now to post some massive list which you would be aware of anyways.

Dec 23rd- means nothing now as it doesn't conveniently fit into the latest theory.

abuse/sexual assault- never happened and even if it did, means nothing since the 9 year old likely didn't do it

Burke crying that morning- emotionless robots that bludgeon girls don't cry so this is off the table now even though it was documented in a 20 year old buried police report by one of the first officers onscene

Fruit not named pineapple in her system- More evidence unheard of until recently but since it doesn't so easily fit into the pineapple bludgeoning scenario, it doesn't exist. Cant let such a pesky fact get in the way.

That's for starters. If you need anymore, there's a mountain contained in the transcipts and of course several books.

I don't care what Burkes motive was

Wow. You're "all in" on BDI yet "don't care" what his motive was or even if there was a motive.

Doesn't sound like you care about any evidence in this case. The fact you'd take from my post that I believe there's a mountain of evidence of an intruder pretty much proves that.

This concludes our specific discussion and we'll both go back to our respective regulary scheduled programming here. I don't see the point in having a discussion with someone who cares nothing about motives or any of the other facts in the case.