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A couple things that I am confused about on this thread.

First, I am not understanding why many think the initials necessarily point to “HM” rather than “WH”. I acknowledge there is some ancillary information/knowledge that might influence this point of view. But please forgive me, I am missing the rationalization here. Please expound as to this position so that I understand.

Second, while I do not contest the observation renaming the images or their blur/copy modifications, I would suggest that the original image ‘may’ have included the (partial) image of a glove holding the belt. If so, that would provide a relative concept as to the width of the belt. Nothing has been stated, officially, as to the ‘size’ of the belt. Was it a dress belt worn with a suit, approximately one inch wide? Or was it a garrison/utility belt of approximately three inches wide as has been surmised? A hand in the glove holding the belt when photographed would most certainly lend credence to its size. THAT may be rationalization as to the ‘photoshop’ and renaming.

Regardless the reason the images were renamed, there is something about the original naming and the modifications. Our interests notwithstanding, this certainly indicates a gross error on the part if Suffolk County LE and its IT group. [Personally coming from an IT career, I am going OMG!!]

The belt has been stated as evidence regarding the GB4. It has also been speculated that the belt is for a ‘large’ individual. IF that is to be believed, the GB4 were, by all reports, to be rather petite young women. When suggestions report the belt was from a ‘large’ male, why is that necessarily a large male compared to a young woman of petite stature? I mean where does anything indicate the belt belonged to a ‘sumo wrestler’ versus an ‘average’ person or perhaps a simply ‘overweight’ individual? I am NOT challenging here but rather questioning the commentary around a ‘large’ person. ‘Large’ needs perspective.

My point here is that we need to be looking at this ‘more objectively’ and ‘less subjectively’.

No, do not read into my statement as saying LISK/Gilgo/et al might be a woman. I am just suggesting to all that there is a tendency to follow and agree with a posted thought without stepping back and thoroughly analyzing and challenging that thought prior to ’buy in’.

In that regard, please, PLEASE analyze and consider my post here. It is after all, my opinion. Seriously, think about it and weigh in with your personal knowledge and experience.

I feel WS has something to offer as long as we keep open and analytical thought at the forefront.
 
A couple things that I am confused about on this thread.

First, I am not understanding why many think the initials necessarily point to “HM” rather than “WH”. I acknowledge there is some ancillary information/knowledge that might influence this point of view. But please forgive me, I am missing the rationalization here. Please expound as to this position so that I understand.

Second, while I do not contest the observation renaming the images or their blur/copy modifications, I would suggest that the original image ‘may’ have included the (partial) image of a glove holding the belt. If so, that would provide a relative concept as to the width of the belt. Nothing has been stated, officially, as to the ‘size’ of the belt. Was it a dress belt worn with a suit, approximately one inch wide? Or was it a garrison/utility belt of approximately three inches wide as has been surmised? A hand in the glove holding the belt when photographed would most certainly lend credence to its size. THAT may be rationalization as to the ‘photoshop’ and renaming.

Regardless the reason the images were renamed, there is something about the original naming and the modifications. Our interests notwithstanding, this certainly indicates a gross error on the part if Suffolk County LE and its IT group. [Personally coming from an IT career, I am going OMG!!]

The belt has been stated as evidence regarding the GB4. It has also been speculated that the belt is for a ‘large’ individual. IF that is to be believed, the GB4 were, by all reports, to be rather petite young women. When suggestions report the belt was from a ‘large’ male, why is that necessarily a large male compared to a young woman of petite stature? I mean where does anything indicate the belt belonged to a ‘sumo wrestler’ versus an ‘average’ person or perhaps a simply ‘overweight’ individual? I am NOT challenging here but rather questioning the commentary around a ‘large’ person. ‘Large’ needs perspective.

My point here is that we need to be looking at this ‘more objectively’ and ‘less subjectively’.

No, do not read into my statement as saying LISK/Gilgo/et al might be a woman. I am just suggesting to all that there is a tendency to follow and agree with a posted thought without stepping back and thoroughly analyzing and challenging that thought prior to ’buy in’.

In that regard, please, PLEASE analyze and consider my post here. It is after all, my opinion. Seriously, think about it and weigh in with your personal knowledge and experience.

I feel WS has something to offer as long as we keep open and analytical thought at the forefront.
1) Very valid point. If the belt is hung by the buckle as most are, the orientation would indicate the initials as WH. Others have pointed out, however, that certain features of the font/typeface point to HM. Examples cited include the latitude (if you will) of the crossbar of the H. In the WH orientation, this crossbar is unconventionally "south" (to stay with the theme). This lends to the HM orientation. One other example is the counter-apex of the W/M - the area that would form a "V" in the middle of the letter - appears to come too far "north" if oriented as a W. By no means are these solid data points, nor do I BELIEVE they were made by anyone other than amateurs like us. Just points for discussion.
2) The belt does appear as if it is photographed on the white background in which it's pictured. I don't yet have a theory regarding the mention of a glove behind which I would stand. I believe someone indicated that the PD Commish DID indicate in an interview that the belt was 1.5" wide. Would love if someone could cite/reference this. Understand that a garrison belt (1.5-1.75" very common width) and a duty belt (2-3" commonly) are quite different.
2a) I'm entertaining the garrison belt idea even more now. I'm no IT professional, but I did attempt to ascertain if there was any blurring of the natural colored side of the belt, specifically in the same area. I see no indication (again, definitely no pro in this area). This could/would make sense, as a shield/badge holder would NOT clip on that portion of the natural side of the belt. As the belt would likely be doubled up in the area, with the lettered tip being the slack/excess, the actual clip portion of any shield holder would be natural side nearest the buckle.
3) Length of the belt would indicate size of the person. 28" belt v 44" belt.... Wear on the particular hole in the belt could give a great indication of waist size of the wearer.
Just my own read on all of this....
 
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1) Very valid point. If the belt is hung by the buckle as most are, the orientation would indicate the initials as WH. Others have pointed out, however, that certain features of the font/typeface point to HM. Examples cited include the latitude (if you will) of the crossbar of the H. In the WH orientation, this crossbar is unconventionally "south" (to stay with the theme). This lends to the HM orientation. One other example is the counter-apex of the W/M - the area that would form a "V" in the middle of the letter - appears to come too far "north" if oriented as a W. By no means are these solid data points, nor do I BELIEVE they were made by anyone other than amateurs like us. Just points for discussion.
2) The belt does appear as if it is photographed on the white background in which it's pictured. I don't yet have a theory regarding the mention of a glove behind which I would stand. I believe someone indicated that the PD Commish DID indicate in an interview that the belt was 1.5" wide. Would love if someone could cite/reference this. Understand that a garrison belt (1.5-1.75" very common width) and a duty belt (2-3" commonly) are quite different.
2a) I'm entertaining the garrison belt idea even more now. I'm no IT professional, but I did attempt to ascertain if there was any blurring of the natural colored side of the belt, specifically in the same area. I see no indication (again, definitely no pro in this area). This could/would make sense, as a shield/badge holder would NOT clip on that portion of the natural side of the belt. As the belt would likely be doubled up in the area, with the lettered tip being the slack/excess, the actual clip portion of any shield holder would be natural side nearest the buckle.
3) Length of the belt would indicate size of the person. 28" belt v 44" belt.... Wear on the particular hole in the belt could give a great indication of waist size of the wearer.
Just my own read on all of this....

I believe in the last interview with John Ray & LI New Radio, host, Jay Oliver, it was again mentioned the size of belt being 1.5". Go to mark 6:06
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while I do not contest the observation renaming the images or their blur/copy modifications, I would suggest that the original image ‘may’ have included the (partial) image of a glove holding the belt.
I thought it could be the evidence technicians glove as well. Maybe they first took a photo with the belt in hand and then decided to capture the belt only. The photo we're shown labeled beltnoglove1 and perhaps the first photo with belt in hand labeled belt1 or whatever.
 
1) Very valid point. If the belt is hung by the buckle as most are, the orientation would indicate the initials as WH. Others have pointed out, however, that certain features of the font/typeface point to HM.....

Thanks, 3Pats.
 
Something I read and found interesting in article ...In Burke's (SUV) vehicle, along w all his "sex paraphernalia," was also his GUN BELT?

"In 2016, the former chief of the Suffolk County Police Department, James Burke, was convicted and given almost four years in federal prison for beating a suspect who stole his gun belt, a duffel bag full of sex toys and pornographic material, and other items from his SUV. "
I mean, doesn't seem odd to have your gun belt amongst your sex toys?

Below is link. It's a long one but a good one. And approx 3/4 down you'll see Leanne and the snake aka Burke's photo. Posted above is article. I know this info is in other newspaper articles but this one has a lot of good info.
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Also, very informative and helpful info on "How to purchase Gun Belt" - Classic Gun Belt watch video too if you like.
 
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more info re: above Gun Belt
Embattled police chief was promoted AFTER relationship with prostitute: investigator

"Suffolk police investigators concluded that, in 1993, then-Sergeant Burke had a months-long relationship with the prostitution and drug dealing convict, and had on one occasion even left her alone in his car with his gun belt and service weapon in the back seat."

" Federal investigators are now looking into accusations from theft suspect Christopher Loeb that Burke beat up Loeb after the Smithtown resident was under arrest for having stolen a duffel bag from the chief’s unmarked vehicle. In the duffel bag were the chief’s gun belt, similar to the one he’d left behind years earlier with the convicted prostitute..."
 
Also found on Etsy a company that embosses belts and found this...(just thought it was of interest) trying to understand the initials on belt. It just doesnt seem like someone themselves would go thru such lengths to initialize their own belt. It seems more like a "gift." IMO

"We can offer you personalization with initials, like in the picture. Initials also can be placed on a loop using a smaller font. Also, it's possible to put some secret message on each belt on backside."

If it walks like a duck, smells like a duck, then it's a burke.
 
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more info re: above Gun Belt
Embattled police chief was promoted AFTER relationship with prostitute: investigator

"Suffolk police investigators concluded that, in 1993, then-Sergeant Burke had a months-long relationship with the prostitution and drug dealing convict, and had on one occasion even left her alone in his car with his gun belt and service weapon in the back seat."

" Federal investigators are now looking into accusations from theft suspect Christopher Loeb that Burke beat up Loeb after the Smithtown resident was under arrest for having stolen a duffel bag from the chief’s unmarked vehicle. In the duffel bag were the chief’s gun belt, similar to the one he’d left behind years earlier with the convicted prostitute..."

Firstly, let us get the record straight! It wasn't a 'months' long relationship it was a relationship that was very active for several years. Lowrita and James were such an item she remembered him and was there at the arraignment of James. She called out to him and blew a kiss. Lest we forget they share a daughter together, and now a granddaughter.
 
Found it on google

Not saying this is a slam dunk, but it sure would provide some reasonable explanations for the questions I have about this belt. Seems like a rental company would have to have some way of identifying their property, and if they do, it would make sense that they marked their property where it wouldn't be outwardly visible...like on the inside of a belt, shirt, pants, etc.

It's a damned fine thought, Michael. Wonder if The Park Service uses rental uniforms, especially for seasonal workers.
 
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Not saying this is a slam dunk, but it sure would provide some reasonable explanations for the questions I have about this belt. Seems like a rental company would have to have some way of identifying their property, and if they do, it would make sense that they marked their property where it wouldn't be outwardly visible...like on the inside of a belt, shirt, pants, etc.

It's a damned find thought, Michael. Wonder if The Park Service uses rental uniforms, especially for seasonal workers.
Exactly!
 

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