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Disclaimer: According to Jodi.
WOW. I thought I had informed myself.
JA is truly evil.
Thanks Mrs G Norris.
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Disclaimer: According to Jodi.
Im beginning to wonder if the four who voted for life just found they could not vote for the DP after all and the abuse story was just the reason/excuse they hung their hats on.?.?.
I have to say this would have been me had I sat on that jury. I probably wouldn't call it an excuse, but I am vehemently against the death penalty, and could never find it within myself to put somebody to death no matter their crime. I am also of the belief that living out your natural life behind bars is a tougher punishment than death. If I had to give a justification for my decision had I been sat on the Arias jury, it probably would have been that there was a mutual level of mental abuse, and I would have also taken into account some mitigating factors such as no prior criminal convictions.
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Disclaimer: According to Jodi.
Did the jury hear JA claim being sexually assaulted? Did her inane DT say she was raped during opening statements?
Thanks again.
i guess a lot has been posted elsewhere about what the jurors have had to say.
I watched DD tonight, again with Diane. What she had to say was depressing. More and more it seems that the 4 who voted for life all thought she was abused. From what Diane said tonight it also seems to be the case that at least one of the 4 believes Travis sexually forced himself upon the killer.
I've been an advocate for this jury throughout, even after their non-verdict. I'd expected to hear that the livers believed she was mentally ill and should be spared, and that I could at least understand and respect.
But this? It makes no sense to me that any juror could believe the killer capable of premeditated 1st degree murder AND know she is a liar, yet also believe her wild lie that Travis was the sexual aggressor.
He wasn't, but even if he had been, what the heck dies that have to do with thinking she deserves to live?
I agree - very depressing and makes no sense to me either. Here's a copy of last night's show for those who missed it.
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Juror No. 6 Diane Schwartz and alternate Juror No. 17 Tara Kelley have both made it clear that they neither believed Jodi Arias story, nor did they ever see her show any kind of remorse in the brutal murder of her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander. And they both agreed that she should have gotten the death penalty.
But on Monday (June 3, 2013) night, Schwartz and Kelley returned to Dr. Drew On Call. They viewed pieces of video pertaining to the Arias case that they had never seen before, including the interrogation tapes where Arias' father was being questioned. Watch their reactions in the video player below
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/06/0...rors-never-saw
Well, Juan did ask her if she liked the sex. Her answer was "Yes. At times". He likely didn't want to specifically ask her "Did you like the anal sex?" due to not wanting her to say she didn't like it.
Her statement of "you sure do know how to work the booty", said in "glowing" terms, was an indication to me that she sure wasn't opposed to it. I am old(er) -perhaps not as old as the oldest juror - and I can tell you that anal sex was not unknown back in the day. It wasn't my cup of tea, but as a young woman I had a neighbor who was probably 25 years older than me who described that she and her husband used it as a means of birth control! This was before "the pill" was around.
Plus, I think there are many gay men who enjoy it.
As an aside, but while on the subject of regular anal sex, look up "anal sphincter incompetence". It is medical condition that can develop. Unfortunate, but often seen in the gay community. Anal sex is not the only thing that will cause it, but it is one of them.
I have to say this would have been me had I sat on that jury. I probably wouldn't call it an excuse, but I am vehemently against the death penalty, and could never find it within myself to put somebody to death no matter their crime. I am also of the belief that living out your natural life behind bars is a tougher punishment than death. If I had to give a justification for my decision had I been sat on the Arias jury, it probably would have been that there was a mutual level of mental abuse, and I would have also taken into account some mitigating factors such as no prior criminal convictions.
If I was forced into slapping the death penalty on to a criminal it would be somebody like Frederick Baer. To me Jodi Arias' crime, although I can appreciate its awful cruelty, does not quite meet the threshold of someone like Baer (multiple victims, child victim, unknown victims - not saying it makes it any better to kill somebody that you know, but in TA and JA's case there had been a worsening of relations etc - and sexual assault prior to murder). I hope that makes sense!
Yes ... vague insinuations ... though not "sexual assault prior to murder" which I interpreted as "just" prior to murder ... not sure if sexual assault assertion was included in OS ... IIRC, there was insinuation on the sex tape and during JA's testibalony. HTH
ETA: Corrected - AlwaysShocked posted next about the alleged sexual assault just prior to murder, according to JA. Thx AS!
Did the jury hear JA claim being sexually assaulted? Did her inane DT say she was raped during opening statements?
Thanks again.
I'm telling you guys it all goes back to what was my long confusing post last week in sidebar thread.. there are certain people that are especially grounded in the firmest of mindset that there is truly no young woman who would enjoy, prefer, or ever initiate anal sex,. there for in that firm mindset it absolutely places Jodi in the sympathetic victim role, with Travis in the aggressive manipulator role who at minimum is verbally/emotionally abusive in his manipulating her into anal intercorse..and at worst could interpret as not only emotional abusive but physical as well in forcing her into anal intercourse..
I posted at great length about it and am convinced it is this exact preconceived firm beliefs that led to their believing no way, no how any young woman would be into anal there for she is seen as a victim of Travis' wrt their sexual relationship..
IMO with this firm mindset there is NOTHING JUAN MARTINEZ COULD HAVE DONE OR SAID DIFFERENTLY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO CHANGE THIS TYPE OF FIRM MINDSET THAT IS ALREADY LONG SINCE INSTILLED IN THESE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS!
I have to say this would have been me had I sat on that jury. I probably wouldn't call it an excuse, but I am vehemently against the death penalty, and could never find it within myself to put somebody to death no matter their crime. I am also of the belief that living out your natural life behind bars is a tougher punishment than death. If I had to give a justification for my decision had I been sat on the Arias jury, it probably would have been that there was a mutual level of mental abuse, and I would have also taken into account some mitigating factors such as no prior criminal convictions.
If I was forced into slapping the death penalty on to a criminal it would be somebody like Frederick Baer. To me Jodi Arias' crime, although I can appreciate its awful cruelty, does not quite meet the threshold of someone like Baer (multiple victims, child victim, unknown victims - not saying it makes it any better to kill somebody that you know, but in TA and JA's case there had been a worsening of relations etc - and sexual assault prior to murder). I hope that makes sense!
Thank you for posting this! I'm no longer taping ("DVR-ing"?) HLN at night, so I rarely see Jodi-related material.
I love how Mark Eiglarsh basically goes off on certain jurors thinking that a few text messages that were justifiably using very upset language equate to abuse! Juror with short hair doesn't seem to understand why those jurors didn't get that Travis had a good reason for what he said. But she always underscores that they have the right to their opinions, even when they made concessions for her age and "lack of criminal history."
From 3:11 to about 3:21, you see Jodi's hands against her face. It struck me again, as it did during her testimony when Juan was asking her "Were you crying while you stabbed Travis?" that her hands don't match her face, both in color and in size. Her hands are very white, and large, which is the case for many people, of course, But they don't seem to match the size and color of her face. Not sure why that keeps being very noticeable to me.
They talk about how Jodi's dad doesn't show remorse. He just seems like a quiet guy - and he's ill, too - that is shocked by his daughter's actions. They're off base with this one, I think. All in all, though, good interview!
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More interview links have been added.
Please feel free to add any observations, links or interviews!!
A thread about the jurors will be made in a few days and I'm hoping to post this in it.
I have only found clips of the interviews, not the whole interviews. If there are links to the full interviews please post them!!
Can I please ask that someone else keeps a copy of this, so that I don't have to pester the mods if a thread is closed while I'm sleeping again? :lol:
If you have anything else to add, please copy the post instead of quoting it so that we don't lose content.
Please only take information that has been freely given by the jurors and is available on MSM. Please do not sleuth or google private information about the jurors.
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Juror No. 1 - Church Lady
She is a white female in her 60s and sits closest to the witness stand. She doesn't look at Arias often during her testimony. People in the gallery observed her yawning once during an emotional part of Arias' testimony.
This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.
Juror No. 2 - Trump
He is a white male in his 50s. He takes few notes and usually has his head cupped in his hands as he listens to testimony.
I called this guy "Comb Over" he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.
Sorry Juror 2, I know it's your real hair! His voice was strongest on those YES's w/ verdicts. I love him.
Juror No. 3 - Housewife
Was crying when mistrial was announced.
She is a white female in her 40s. She takes a lot of notes and often watches prosecutor Juan Martinez as he moves around the courtroom. She has been seen submitting questions.
Interesting different view today. I called her the "Angry Neighbor Lady" Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant "sour puss". I don't know if it's just "her look" or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.
She became my foreperson pick after CEO was bumped. Tons of notes, attentive. I didn't really see her as anger as much as very attentive.
Juror No. 4 - Grandpa
He is a white male in his 60s, and he takes few notes.
I also named this man Grandpa. He does have a sweet face and seems the "calm" type.
Juror No. 5 - tri color
Dismissed. Identified herself as 38 year old Meliha Omanovic.
Jodi Arias Trial: Juror 5 Meliha Omanovic says she was booted because of a joke - YouTube
She is a married, white female in her 30s. She sits on the edge of her seat and is the most visible juror from the gallery because she has a “unique hair style.”
This is the only one I remembered Anita's name for because her hair stood out, Lol. She reminded me of my best friend. She probably gave more facial expressions than any of the others. She is very engaged and took a fair amount of notes.
Juror No. 6 - Nancy Reagan
Has identified herself as Diane Schwartz.
Was crying when mistrial was announced. Mouthed "I'm so sorry" to the Alexander family.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/...5jodi-arias-juror-six-speaks-about-trial.html
http://www.azcentral.com/video/2411704415001
http://www.azcentral.com/video/2411843381001
She is a white female in her 60s and is also seen taking many notes.
I called her Spikey Hair. Anita's description is better. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes
Of all the jurors, I'd say she had the hardest time not showing emotions.
Juror No. 7 - Paul Rudd
He is a white male in his 30s, and he is married. He takes notes and often bites his nails.
He does look like Paul Rudd, but with shorter hair. He's a good looking young man.
I always thought he looked like Adam Levine. The trial did look to wear on him as he looked to me like he lost weight and was drawn toward the end.
Juror No. 8 - CEO
Dismissed. Identified himself as 52 year old Daniel Gibb.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51843800
He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.
I called this guy "The Dad". He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason... I got a fatherly feel from him.
Juror No. 9 - Willie Nelson
He is a white male in his 60s. He wears denim on most days and sits at the end of the jury box. He sits close to the first row of the gallery where Alexander's family sits.
This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.
He has this long white ponytail but dresses kinda like a golfer. He often went in the front door alone or sat outside on a bench. He was a really hard read for me but rarely took notes.
Juror No. 10 - Barb
Alternate Juror. Identified herself as Carol Gosselink
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/05/28/jvm-arias-juror-speaks
She is a white female in her 40s. She is an occasional note taker and she often looks at the gallery during sidebars.
I called this lady "Plain Jane" She was very hard to see from where I was, but I could tell she was taking notes quite a bit.
Attentive, more and more toward the end looked out toward the family. Very serious. Looks professional.
Juror No. 11 - Poquito Mas
Dismissed
He is a Hispanic male in his late 20s to early 30s. He dresses casually and sometimes slouches so far down in his chair that he is hardly visible to the gallery. He does not appear to be taking notes.
I called him "Paco" He was hard to see too, but mostly because he was slouched down in his seat I thought he'd fall off Lol. At one point he was bent over instead of slouching, but still very hard to see.
Juror No. 12 - Neil
He is a white male in his 40s.
I called this guy "Jim" I wrote "very hard to read".
He concerned me at first, I don't know why. But toward the end I had great confidence in him. His face gets red when strong emotional things discussed.
Juror No. 13 - Wrestler
Identified himself as Kevin Spellman
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...an-marilou-allen-coogan-speak-out-about-trial
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-jurors-notion-defense-plausible-19263611
(videos of Jurors 6, 13 and 16 speaking together)
He is a white male in his late 20s or early 30s. He appears to be the youngest member of the jury and takes very few notes. He smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future.
I called this guy "The Jock" He reminded me a little of Oz on American Pie (Chris Klein).
He was extremely attentive in mitigation phase. So much so that I thought he could have been foreperson.
Juror No. 14 - CPA
He is a white male in his early 60s who often swivels in his chair. He does not appear to be taking notes.
I called this guy Sleepy. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.
Juror No. 15 - headphones
Alternate Juror
He is a white male in his late 60s to early 70s. He wears an audio-enhancing headset provided by the court. He does takes notes.
I called him "Captain" He has a very intense gaze. It's hard to describe but he gives off a stubborn and no bs vibe. Maybe ex military or something?
Juror No. 16 - Maureen
Identified herself as 52 year old Marilou Allen-Coogan
Was crying after mistrial was announced.
http://www.kpho.com/story/22428063/arias-juror-no-16-says-she-feels-relieved-satisfied
She is a white female in her 40s and also takes lots of notes. She swiveled her chair toward Arias during her testimony.
I called her The Secretary. She took a lot of notes and had a "polished" look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM. She was the only one that really made me feel nervous at all.
I really want to hear from her. Seemed bonded w/ Ponytail. She asked questions, very attentive. Some said she looks like Jodi's mother. Kinda but not really. Same hair color/length. She always had navel intelligence toward the witnesses.
Juror No. 17 - Ponytail
Alternate Juror, identified herself as Tara Kelley
https://twitter.com/tarakelley320
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/05/29/arias-jurors-talk-voting-death
She is a married, white female in her 30s. She takes a lot of notes. She does not look at Arias during testimony. She tends to look straight ahead or down at her notes.
I called her frumpy lady. Not in a rude way... it's just the word that came to mind. Very plain. She took a lot of notes.
She wore different hairstyles often, long bangs, ponytail, down, up. Often in very high heels, jeans, sparkly tops. Of course now we love her. And I think she's super cute but have seen more pics of her by now.
Juror No. 18 - The Artist
Foreman. Has identified himself as 69 year old William (Bill) Zervakos
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835
Jodi Arias Trial FOREMAN Interviewed on GMA after Deadlock | William Zervakos & Jodi Arias Hung Jury - YouTube
He is a white male in his 70s and is married. He has a tattoo on his right arm. He rarely is seen taking notes. He sits the furthest away from the witness.
This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot. He wasn't the only one doing stuff like that.
His gait was what gave away his age. He walks like he has some pain but of course that's my job to assess things like that.