Dragognosis
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The knot was tied so it would not slip during the hanging. Imo.
The knot was intricate.
The cause of death is a contentious issue, even among experts. Some say the head blow came first, others say the strangulation, others say it was pretty much simultaneous (head blow was struck during strangulation).
Whoever made the point about there being no tears on the ransom note -- that is a great point. I've always wondered that myself; how would PR be able to not get any of her tears on the note? It's all but unanimous that she wrote the note; and that the note was written after the victim had died -- I personally still believe this, but nonetheless, it's something that's a mystery. I suppose it wouldn't be absolutely impossible for her to keep her tears off the paper, assuming she was holding some sort of tissue in her other hand. I can't help but think of that box of tissues that was found on the dining room table, near where the bowl of pineapple and empty glass were recovered.
So to me that indicates that the whole crime took place in the basement, more specifically in or just outside of the wine cellar. So this person took the time, with her either conscious or unconscious (depending on when the blow to the head occurred), to make this garrote. The intricate knot makes me think the blow to the head occurred first to incapacitate her.
What is your theory on her having been possibly struck with a stun gun? And in brief, would you mind sharing your thoughts on this case?
The strangulation was to hide the head blow. They had a dead girl on there hands with no real cause. They new there would be an autopsy. They had to strangle her to create a reason for the death. Little did they know she was still alive when they strangled her. Blow on the head by Patsy, strangled by John. Both forever linked in the death.
Those who follow this case have strong opinions to back their theories. Does anyone give any thought to Michael Helgoth?
JonBenét Ramsey--Solved at Last • UnderworldTales.com
Those who follow this case have strong opinions to back their theories. Does anyone give any thought to Michael Helgoth?
JonBenét Ramsey--Solved at Last • UnderworldTales.com
Sorry... RST?casualty of Ramsey Spin, RST?
Awesome theories on your part with legitimate explanations. The only thing that had me were the pair of Tec boots and the SBTC engraved gun which seems a bit too coincidental.Her theory doesn't make much sense to me, really. If MH and an accomplice were planning on extorting JR, they would have written the ransom note before breaking in -- that alone is a massive hole in the psychic's theory. The extortion was the cornerstone of the crime in this scenario; the note would have been absolutely key in obtaining their main objective (money).
They also would have bought something to transport the body in. They wouldn't have relied on finding on an enormous suitcase.
I feel like MH could have very well been murdered by someone, but that it isn't connected to the crime of JBR. There's little doubt a guy like that was involved with shady people/dealings, so in turn, there are a myriad of possibilities for a person like him to have been murdered.
I feel like the "G" she's referring to is GO. I question when she had these "visions." Was it after these two names were floated in the press as possible suspects? I'd bet yes.
Awesome theories on your part with legitimate explanations. The only thing that had me were the pair of Tec boots and the SBTC engraved gun which seems a bit too coincidental.
It's supposed to be a hat with "SBTC" on it, no doubt bogus.
Helpful with that info. and I agree, if all of those things were in fact found in his home, the BPD would just need to see if the Hi-Tec boot sizes matched, confirm the marks on her neck were in fact from a stun-gun (and that exact size/wattage) it would basically be a solved case.And I say this because 1. we know where "SBTC" came from and it would be too much of a coincidence for Helgoth to have a hat with those letters on it unless he had it made after the crime and 2. Paula Woodward writes about Helgoth and lists three things found with him: Hi-Tec boots, a stun gun and a 9mm. She would have mentioned it if a hat with those letters had been found because the whole book is written to exculpate the Ramseys. The only mention of "SBTC" she makes is "Southern Bell Telephone Company," "Santa Barbara Tennis Club," and "Saved by the Cross" as possibilities.
Helpful with that info. and I agree, if all of those things were in fact found in his home, the BPD would just need to see if the Hi-Tec boot sizes matched, confirm the marks on her neck were in fact from a stun-gun (and that exact size/wattage) it would basically be a solved case.
What are your thoughts on the acronym "SBTC"?
You are officially my go-to on this case. Mad props and serious sleuthing work.BPD said that the boots were not a match. That implies that the logos were slightly different because apparently the shoeprint cannot be sized. I own a pair of the Columbus boots Burke supposedly had and I made logo imprints. They're on FFJ in an appropriately-named thread on the first page of the JonBenet forum. I haven't compared logos with the photo of Helgoth's alleged boots in Paula Woodward's book, but my off-the-cuff impression is that they are not that all-fired different.
For the "stun gun" back impressions, I would look at post #398 of the FFJ "John Ramsey's New Book--The Other Side of Suffering." I don't know if the impressions look exactly like that (and I have no idea what made them), but I think there is too much internal detail to be stun gun burns. (And the marks are oriented all wrong anyway; if they were from a stun gun, they would be pointing toward each other because that's how the electrodes are oriented, but the back marks are almost parallel.) My avatar on FFJ is the cheek mark.
Check out post #403 of the same thread for the origin of "SBTC." A picture is worth a thousand words. I will add that when I read about Patsy's magical psalm, Psalm 57, in Death of Innocence, I had no reason to think there was a connection between Psalm 57 and Psalm 35, but when I read Psalm 57 in the NIV Study Bible (which I own), I saw that they shared some DNA. Both psalms talk about enemies as lions who dig pits and spread nets over them, but end up falling into the pits themselves. That struck me as a comical image. All it lacks is a roadrunner and an anvil. Then I checked the cross-references and, sure enough, there's a cross-reference from Psalm 57 to Psalm 35 and one to the last line of Psalm 34, Ps 34:22, which is the line before "SBTC" in Psalm 35. (You can see the cross-references from Psalm 57 in post #410 of that thread.)
Don Foster is the person who discovered "SBTC" in the Ramsey Bible. On Dec. 26, it was open to Psalms 35/36. So Foster must have flipped back one page and seen that striking pattern. (Patsy's sister had removed the Bible else Steve Thomas would no doubt have discovered it.)
An interesting screen shot of the Bible was posted by questfortrue in #404. (The Bible, however, was found on John's desk adjacent to their bedroom, not on the first floor.) To me it looks like the book was posed. Maybe "SBTC" was meant to be found, but I think Patsy intended it to be connected to John. She denied ever reading that Bible, denied that it would have been left open to be exploited by an intruder, and emphasized that John did read it. She didn't have to say any of that.
That may be reaching a bit as far as actually meaning something in terms of the crime/note. Not too convinced on that one but it is interesting.The first letters of Psalm 35 are CTBS (technically). Why would she reverse the letters?
Another acronym for "SBTC", which is creepy in this case, is "so be the child"
That may be reaching a bit as far as actually meaning something in terms of the crime/note. Not too convinced on that one but it is interesting.
Agree, and it seems like, if you wanted to use an acronym (based off of an acrostic poem), a better stanza would have been 35:7 to 35:10 -- especially if one is of the belief that PR was trying to point the finger at JR. And there'd be no reason to reverse the letters, in either case.
I always thought that PR wasn't particularly smart enough to do such a thing; and JR wasn't smart enough to "decode" any message she would have been sending him, particularly if she was using some random bible passage and reversing an already hard acronym to decode. I feel like sometimes, we (the royal "we") give too much credit to both of them.
I always felt like it was somehow based alphabetically, numerically, and/or schematically. S and T are next to each other in the alphabet, as are B and C. S is the 19th letter, B is the 2nd, T is the 20th, C is the 3rd. 19/2/20/3. Could these be dates (2/19, 3/20)? I haven't dwelled on this intently, but it was an idea I've always had.