Missouri Mule
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If I were to make a simple observation it would be this. We have already had two voluminous threads pulled on this case. My $0.02.
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instead of wanting to start a conversation concerning the actions of Hanson, Appleby, and the Kirby's why don't you just go talk to them instead of fishing for what everyone else knows? It's really that simple. It's called working the case.
The fact is very simply that the man has already done that, repeatedly! He has posted at great length about his opinion and views on who he sees as being a likely suspect for being responsible for the 3MW.. along with what he believes to have been the motivation for the crimes committed(and he's backed it up over and over again with printed facts). He is not responsible for ensuring that everyone understand the case inside and out.. and IMO, he feels he's done a lot of work to get to the opinions and view that he has and doesn't want to share all those years of hard work. I may not agree with him or the way he goes about being hard nosed with people but, damn it! the man has repeatedly given his opinion and views of the most likeliest scenario of how/who/why this crime happened, and does so many times with documented fact to back up how he came to that opinion.I respect what you're saying, but don't you think that solving the problem of all the wild speculation that exists at this point could be solved by, in some way pointing people in the direction of who you're convinced is responsible for the 3MW crime?
By not stopping the wild speculation, as well as participating in "Speculating" with people from time to time as you have Hurricane, don't you feel some responsibility for its perpetuation? Especially since you feel that you know what happened in this case. Could have put a halt to the speculation a long time ago and tried to point people in the right direction.
Who knows, may be if you did that, someone has the "Missing Piece of the Puzzle". It would definitely be more proactive than allowing the wild speculation to persist, when you feel so strongly about your theory about the case.......wouldn't it.
Monkeymann, instead of wanting to start a conversation concerning the actions of Hanson, Appleby, and the Kirby's why don't you just go talk to them instead of fishing for what everyone else knows? It's really that simple. It's called working the case. Of all the people who have come to you and commented about "oddities and textbook bodily reactions" (and my condescending manner) it seems like you could find someone to collaborate with and work with you.
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The fact is very simply that the man has already done that, repeatedly! He has posted at great length about his opinion and views on who he sees as being a likely suspect for being responsible for the 3MW.. along with what he believes to have been the motivation for the crimes committed(and he's backed it up over and over again with printed facts). He is not responsible for ensuring that everyone understand the case inside and out.. and IMO, he feels he's done a lot of work to get to the opinions and view that he has and doesn't want to share all those years of hard work. I may not agree with him or the way he goes about being hard nosed with people but, damn it! the man has repeatedly given his opinion and views of the most likeliest scenario of how/who/why this crime happened, and does so many times with documented fact to back up how he came to that opinion.
What more do you want?.. Him to just upload every friggin document, detail, and piece of information that he's found along the way?.. He's not going to, period, but what you're continuing to ask for repeatedly(like in the above post) he has already long since answered those questions and given his opinions with the facts to how he reached the opinion he has.
As for this expectation regarding all of these people who knew these 3MW 22+ years ago and how dare they not have come forward and told every detail to satisfy every curiosity, of everyone, who wants and believes they have a right to know about any, and every tiny interaction they may, or may not, have had with one of these three women is beyond obnoxious, IMO.
They don't owe any of us a damn thing. How could one even come to the conclusion, that any interaction that Shane Appleby had with either of the girls in the time leading up to their disappearance, is our right to know??..and that just who in the hell does he think he is in not having come forward and been bled dry of every single, solitary detail that one can even come up with to inquire him about??.. IMO, its obnoxious and ludicrous to even dare to expect such. They don't owe any of us $hit. Never have and never will. I wouldn't come forward either especially after seeing how so many, so easily throw around such very serious type of allegations with nothing whatsoever as a basis for such allegations.. Simply because they've not come forward to the public media(or for cripe's sake some even believing they should come forward on a message board forum)...why ?? and what in the world for??.. To be bled dry, and then when their answers weren't to someone's satisfaction they suddenly find their names being listed on those public forums as someone's list of suspects for involvement in this horrific crime???.. I don't think so, and again, I find it obnoxious and ridiculous to believe for a second that they owe anyone their speaking publicly about any of these three victims, the crimes committed, or their personal, life experiences they may have shared with any of the victim's prior to their being abducted...
All Just My Opinion(and yep, that's a JMO that I put at the end of posts that are very clearly just my opinion).
The fact is very simply that the man has already done that, repeatedly! He has posted at great length about his opinion and views on who he sees as being a likely suspect for being responsible for the 3MW.. along with what he believes to have been the motivation for the crimes committed(and he's backed it up over and over again with printed facts). He is not responsible for ensuring that everyone understand the case inside and out.. and IMO, he feels he's done a lot of work to get to the opinions and view that he has and doesn't want to share all those years of hard work. I may not agree with him or the way he goes about being hard nosed with people but, damn it! the man has repeatedly given his opinion and views of the most likeliest scenario of how/who/why this crime happened, and does so many times with documented fact to back up how he came to that opinion.
What more do you want?.. Him to just upload every friggin document, detail, and piece of information that he's found along the way?.. He's not going to, period, but what you're continuing to ask for repeatedly(like in the above post) he has already long since answered those questions and given his opinions with the facts to how he reached the opinion he has.
As for this expectation regarding all of these people who knew these 3MW 22+ years ago and how dare they not have come forward and told every detail to satisfy every curiosity, of everyone, who wants and believes they have a right to know about any, and every tiny interaction they may, or may not, have had with one of these three women is beyond obnoxious, IMO.
They don't owe any of us a damn thing. How could one even come to the conclusion, that any interaction that Shane Appleby had with either of the girls in the time leading up to their disappearance, is our right to know??..and that just who in the hell does he think he is in not having come forward and been bled dry of every single, solitary detail that one can even come up with to inquire him about??.. IMO, its obnoxious and ludicrous to even dare to expect such. They don't owe any of us $hit. Never have and never will. I wouldn't come forward either especially after seeing how so many, so easily throw around such very serious type of allegations with nothing whatsoever as a basis for such allegations.. Simply because they've not come forward to the public media(or for cripe's sake some even believing they should come forward on a message board forum)...why ?? and what in the world for??.. To be bled dry, and then when their answers weren't to someone's satisfaction they suddenly find their names being listed on those public forums as someone's list of suspects for involvement in this horrific crime???.. I don't think so, and again, I find it obnoxious and ridiculous to believe for a second that they owe anyone their speaking publicly about any of these three victims, the crimes committed, or their personal, life experiences they may have shared with any of the victim's prior to their being abducted...
All Just My Opinion(and yep, that's a JMO that I put at the end of posts that are very clearly just my opinion).
Monkeymann, since you only have "oddities and textbook bodily reactions" to talk about maybe it is you who would be better served by some other means of discussion. And as I recall when 3MW ProBoards was set up it was supposed to be based on factual information only, no opinions, and it was you who so boldly said that if everyone wasn't willing to share every factual thing they knew then they weren't welcome. So I never registered. ProBoards turned out to be no better than Topix, really. About the only facts that ever got posted were a timeline and newspaper quotes by Nettie that originated from me a long time ago. So you saw how long that lasted! And by the way, the last post on ProBoards was Jan 12th by some guy who wanted to talk about his tarot card reading of the case! So much for being factually based!Right....Lets just avoid the hard questions. Like you always always do! Like I and several others have said to you many times before, we're here to talk about this case.
Apparently you are here for different reasons than the rest of us.
If you're so full of yourself that you think that you're too good to discuss the case here, because you feel like you've done all this legwork investigating this case, and that us plebes don't disserve to be graced with discussing this case with you, because we're all just, "Fishing For Information"...........THEN GO AWAY ALREADY!
You're just being part of the problem.
I've contacted many people - family of the victims, friends, etc., and all said they were burned by people who were researching the case and did not want to talk about it anymore. So the bridges have been burned by those so called "investigators." You know this very well. It has nothing to do with being "lazy" and not wanting to do research. I was able to talk at length with family members I was able to persuade I was someone they could trust. It's very sad there are "researchers" who have ruined it for the rest of us. I don't blame family and friends at all for not wanting to talk about this case anymore. There are really unscrupulous people out there, unfortunately.
Monkeymann, instead of wanting to start a conversation concerning the actions of Hanson, Appleby, and the Kirby's why don't you just go talk to them instead of fishing for what everyone else knows? It's really that simple. It's called working the case.
Monkeymann, since you only have "oddities and textbook bodily reactions" to talk about maybe it is you who would be better served by some other means of discussion. And as I recall when 3MW ProBoards was set up it was supposed to be based on factual information only, no opinions, and it was you who so boldly said that if everyone wasn't willing to share every factual thing they knew then they weren't welcome. So I never registered. ProBoards turned out to be no better than Topix, really. About the only facts that ever got posted were a timeline and newspaper quotes by Nettie that originated from me a long time ago. So you saw how long that lasted! And by the way, the last post on ProBoards was Jan 12th by some guy who wanted to talk about his tarot card reading of the case! So much for being factually based!
So what it ultimately boils down to is if you are not able to work on your own then you will just have to accept whatever facts anyone who does is willing to give you! Your "think tank" mentality to solving anything will never work.
I'm a little confused by many of these recent posts. I'm just a woman who lurks here reading this case and others because I'm interested in true-crime. I know in some cases readers submit tips or matches so there can be some level of involvement. But now I'm curious, are several of you professionals - journalist, private investigators, etc.? Otherwise, why would anyone contact those involved with the case and ask them questions? I'd appreciate being filled in, this is the only case I follow where I've read comments like these.
People on these boards should not feel defensive about the mere act of posting a theory. When people have facts debunking or supporting a theory, we can all move forward in this case. We are not detectives. We can't force people to talk to us. We can go over the known facts of this case and arrive at a theory, which motivates others to respond with their own thoughts. We all have the common desire to see justice for these women. I just don't understand the need to personally insult someone, which only disrupts the flow of discussion on this case. If you disagree with someone, just make your case without name calling. We can learn a lot from each other. Maybe, just maybe, that certain someone who is the "missing link" will feel more comfortable coming onto these boards that could help crack this thing. You just never know.
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Thanks, fullmoon. I stopped posting on this thread several years ago after one poster inferred that my opinions and theories were not important. I'm not the greatest sleuther, but I have a huge interest in this case and many others. But what was kind of upsetting to me back around the same time is that there was another poster who was a fantastic sleuther. She posted very interesting theories and asked intelligent questions regarding this case, but she felt insulted as well so she stopped posting on this thread. I have been a member of WS for nearly 10 years and have never felt that my opinions were worthless or my questions were stupid on any other thread except this one. I only posted this today because I was reading through the posts on here for the first time in months and see that the same problems still exist, and that people are still made to feel that they shouldn't even be posting on this thread unless they personally knew Sherrill, Suzie and Stacy and can honestly give nothing but facts regarding this case.
Hi MaryLiz, nice to see you. I don't remember any of your posts specifically or any incidents but it is obvious you are referring to me. For sometime now I have been wanting to breakaway from this public part of what we do. It's really no longer necessary, so I will voluntarily do that now. Good luck with your "Sleuthing"!
Hi MaryLiz, nice to see you. I don't remember any of your posts specifically or any incidents but it is obvious you are referring to me. For sometime now I have been wanting to breakaway from this public part of what we do. It's really no longer necessary, so I will voluntarily do that now. Good luck with your "Sleuthing"!
I stopped posting on this thread several years ago after one poster inferred that my opinions and theories were not important. I hope you will consider posting about this case again. I have received pm's from other posters who say they will no longer post here because a certain person insults them. That's a shame. You have just as much a right to offer your comment as anyone else, whether they are "long time" posters or not, so long as you follow the rules of this board
Most of us fall into that category, MaryLiz. If anyone thinks this website is just for "professionals," they are mistaken.I'm not the greatest sleuther, but I have a huge interest in this case and many others.
I agree. I have belonged to several forums for a decade or more, and am only insulted by a specific poster on this board. It needs to stop. Anything that disrupts the conversation or derails it does not help the case.I have been a member of WS for nearly 10 years and have never felt that my opinions were worthless or my questions were stupid on any other thread except this one. I only posted this today because I was reading through the posts on here for the first time in months and see that the same problems still exist, and that people are still made to feel that they shouldn't even be posting on this thread unless they personally knew Sherrill, Suzie and Stacy and can honestly give nothing but facts regarding this case.
...I don't feel I can bring anything meaningful to the table on this thread. I just never got the insistence that "facts only" should be posted on here. You certainly know more about this case than I do and can definitely post facts, whereas I can't. I said I was not a good sleuther. I have nothing to offer except opinions and thoughts and won't be doing any sleuthing.