The Talent show

[ami]

And what's with having the nine-year-old testify? Couldn't they haven't gotten a teacher to testify about the specifics of the talent show? Is the prosecutor attempting to play on emotions with a child's testimony?

RSBM.

We don't know if the GJ asked about the talent show, or what other subjects they covered, or even if this child had a specific incident to share with them about Kyron that we've never been made aware of because the parents and children at Skyline were asked not to speak to the media about any of this.

 

[nosysw]

If she was fishing with her e-mail, then why not show up at the school for the talent show and fish there? Talk about a supposed narcissist's dream spotlight...complete with her finding out Kyron is missing, sobbing, and holding baby K.

Just because there was a talent show, doesn't mean the parents were required or even supposed to attend. It may have been an okay if you come, okay if you don't scenario. If Kyron didn't have a big part, or was lumped in with another group because it was an "everyone must participate" type of school-wide talent show, then I honestly don't believe this is a big deal or the smoking gun. Honestly, of all the information to come out, this is the least important and most easily dismissed, IMHO.

And what's with having the nine-year-old testify? Couldn't they haven't gotten a teacher to testify about the specifics of the talent show? Is the prosecutor attempting to play on emotions with a child's testimony?

I agree that the talent show may not be one of the bigger issues here...but we really don't know why the 9 yo was called to testify so we don't know if a teacher could have covered it...It might have been something completely different they were asking him about or trying to get info about...also, if they feel the school may be covering up some kind of negligence...they may feel a 9 y.o. would be a more unbiased source...hopefully they would take his age into consideration with a grain of salt...

 

[LadyL]

I cannot believe a nine year old was called to testify.

I just can't believe it. Why can't a teacher or three provide the same info? Were they that distracted???

I'm angry now.

If they're yanking 9 year olds down there, they better dayum well have an indictment after this is all I can say. (yes I know that's not fair-minded of me)

Oh and on the talent show thingie:

I've seen many a kid 'forget' to tell their parent about something important.

However, one would think with a school calendar of events, a sign out front, and a stepmom who volunteers at the school that all four parents would've known about a talent show that Kyron was expected to perform in. Unless, of course, it was just for the kids kinda thing and realy paled in comparison to the science fair project.

That's kind of a lot anyway isn't it? Why load down kids with a big project and talent show at the same time?

JMO

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Wait, how does the media know this? I thought GJ testimony was supposed to be sealed? :waitasec:

seems like oregon says....like my state...only jurors and state paid people can not talk.

 

[nosysw]

okay ami- stop taking my thoughts and typing faster than me, LOL!:dance:

 

[wondering1]

But apparently neither Kaine nor Desiree ever looked at that calendar of Kyron's events?

fwiw, just today I had to remind my ex that tomorrow is the FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL!! and while we were on the phone I had to look up the time school started on the web site because he wasn't sure. Of course, neither was I :blushing: But in my defense, I'm not on first day of school duty this year. And at least I knew the start time had changed from last year and is much later. He hasn't got a clue about the kids' events unless the kids or I tell him. And he relies on us to provide accurate information. And I'm not even married to the idjit anymore

 

[ami]

okay ami- stop taking my thoughts and typing faster than me, LOL!:dance:

Jinx!

 

[Haeve]

And, in one interview, at least one, KH said that when he said goodbye to Kyron that morning he wished him good luck with the science fair. That has always left a question with me--was it competitive? Ribbons handed out?

And yet, Kyron was going to be in a talent show--something I don't see as a high priority for him as he's been described--and KH doesn't know that? Doesn't wish him good luck?

Something's hinky with this sudden "oh yea, Kyron was going to be in the talent show." Let alone with the opposite reaction to one kid who's said something early on, and as far as we know, has stuck with it.

I hate to say this, but I honestly believe that anything that doesn't fit in the round hole that LE has been digging specifically for TH from the get-go is deemed a square peg. And if they can't hammer it into round, they throw it away.

JMO. I'm very irritated with how LE has handled this case. Very. :furious: If someone else out there grabbed Kyron, well, they've gotten a free pass right from June 4.

I hear ya, though I'm willing to trust LE in this case, at least until they are proven guilty of handling the case poorly. And I tend to have a neutral view about LE--there are good agencies and bad, and good cops and bad, so I don't always side with LE.

However, I'm wondering if the talent show is one of those "no comment" and "thou shalt not comment" items that LE doesn't want to talk about because it's key to the investigation. Just speculating. YMMV

 

[matou]

When he says "perform with Kyron" I wonder if it was the whole class or group of classes, or just a small group.

A 9yo wouldn't be in Kyron's grade, but maybe the 2nd - 4th graders were going to sing together or something. Concerts are frequently done like that in my DD's smallish school.

But it is very hard for me to imagine this child and Kyron in a small group of children who were expected to perform in the talent show and NO ONE knew about it. Kaine and Desiree didn't know about it. Surely Kyron would have been missed, and it would have been much more suspicious for him to be out and not "Oh, we just thought he went with Terri."

Did the other children in this particular "act" still perform, or were they unable because of Kyron's absence???

If Kyron really was supposed to perform something special and not with the whole class, then I have a bunch of questions for KH, DY, and the school. Wouldn't Kyron have talked about that just like the science fair project? How could they not know about it?

(I'm not accusing them of lying...just thinking that it MUST have been a large group thing where Kyron wouldn't be a make or break part of the performance. Or we'd have heard about this already. Right????)

I think Kyron was in a split grade class with grade 3.

 

[kappy50]

In my experience, raising 4 children, and now having 3 grandsons currently living in my home in 2/4/6 grades, we have a calendar that comes out at beginning of year with things like holidays, early release days, conference days, snow days, etc. There is nothing on that calendar about individual talent shows, programs, science fairs, etc. Those all appear to be dates determined later as the school year evolves. There is an online calendar where you can look for school functions in "real time", and this seems to be more current, but even then, I have had "surprise" events that we didn't know anything about until a week or two prior.

I don't know what other districts do, but I imagine some are very exactly planned, and others are not. I know the IB is a constant and there is a lot of info on different IB projects and news on the participating school websites.

The talent show, who knows.....

Nurse...I do understand...I just based this on looking at their 2008-2009 calendar...where it is stated about the talent show but no mention of the SF...so if this is an annual event at the school it was not on their 2008-2009..so I do understand surprise events for sure...

 

[wondering1]

Also, something about Kyron being characterized as "shy" is bothering me a little bit. We have seen that he was front and center for one talent show on the small clip of the video that the media has shown, and while he isn't grandstanding, he doesn't appear to be so shy that he was unable to perform.
The other clip of him also, where he is reading something about his Bridge project, yes, somewhat shy/quiet, but again, not so withdrawn that the thougt of a public appearance terrified him.
I'm not sure if I am misinterpreting him or not, but I think we may have attributed more shyness to him than he really exhibits.
MOO...

Just speaking for myself, but I based my characterization on DY's statements, and maybe KH's, too.

 

[Herding Cats]

I agree that the talent show may not be one of the bigger issues here...but we really don't know why the 9 yo was called to testify so we don't know if a teacher could have covered it...It might have been something completely different they were asking him about or trying to get info about...also, if they feel the school may be covering up some kind of negligence...they may feel a 9 y.o. would be a more unbiased source...hopefully they would take his age into consideration with a grain of salt...

Just springboarding here...

If we don't know what was testified to, then we don't know that Kyron was supposed to do something with the 9 year old who testified (but we don't know about what).

If we don't know that Kyron was supposed to perform, then the entire question about the family knowing about it is moot.

If we don't know that Kyron was supposed to perform, then the entire discussion about how TH "should've" behaved (e.g. been there, created a better alibi, et cetera) is moot.

If these questions are moot, what is this thread doing here? Is this just another rumor thread? I mean, if we don't know what was said, it's only speculation and rumor that it was about the talent show...which makes this whole thread speculative at best...

Sigh. I just wish we had some facts to go on here. We don't, though, do we? Or have I totally misunderstood everything these last 4 pages say?

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[Haeve]

OMG! Where have I been all this time?
I could have sworn it was the last day! :doh:

Ummmm...now I really need to go back to the beginning!

At some point a week or two ago former MCSO captain McCain said in MSM that the 4th was the last day of school, so that may be why you are confused. He was wrong. Which makes me not trust all these so-called experts weighing in on various MSM.

 

[Jack]

RSBM.

We don't know if the GJ asked about the talent show, or what other subjects they covered, or even if this child had a specific incident to share with them about Kyron that we've never been made aware of because the parents and children at Skyline were asked not to speak to the media about any of this.

Just had to comment about this. I know we all want to do the right thing and many people think that when they go along with a request like this that they are somehow helping. But, IMO, it is troubling when people aren't allowed to speak publicly about what they know when there is a case like this. Without full disclosure mistakes can be made and then covered up, someone with an ego can do a lot of damage to an innocent person just so they can be right, etc. People should never not be allowed to say what they know to the media or anyone else. IMO, The reason there is such overwhelming suspicion/hatred of TH with absolutely no evidence is because people have nothing but their own imaginations to explain this case. Perhaps if locals were talking about the case there would be plenty of people who would say they saw TH leave without Kyron, or saw Kyron walking toward the classroom, etc. OMO, the public knowing that isn't going to harm the case, but people not knowing that might allow those possible facts to be lost.

 

[AvalonBlue]

OMG...I "thought" I heard that too, but wanted to confirm before I commented on it...thank you so much, woo hoo, I am not :crazy: after all..

Well, nurse, we may ALL be crazy:crazy: trying to figure this case out and read between all the lines :book: however, I am grateful that if we are ALL crazy that we are all crazy in this together!:balloons:

 

[Dee10]

It just seem like another weird thing (in a string of odd behavior) that Terri was a fixture in Kyron's class so to speak. She supposedly didn't know about the talent show (maybe Kyron didn't tell her), but she must get notices. She is at school that day and I assume interacting with the teacher (whom she has helped out with reading with the kids, etc.) and I assume other parents. Even if Kyron didn't mention the Talent Show that day, nobody else mentioned it???? TH also didn't "think" to ask another parent when the project could be picked-up. Really...we are suppose to buy that? Sorry, although it is a another seemingly trivial matter...when is layer on layer enough that it devises pure logic?

 

[debirlfan]

Huh, you know I just get the feeling that if Terri is guilty, she expected the school to notice his absence and contact her during the day. Maybe she didn't think she'd need an entire day of alibi, but just the trips to the grocery store, during which time she'd receive "the call" from Skyline and spring into concerned parent mode.

Maybe she never considered the entire day passing with no one noticing his absence, the talent show, etc.

Good point - I suggested before that the email to the school re the science project might have been an attempt to get someone to notice he was missing.

But on the other hand... if Kyron didn't want to be in the show, and figured that if he asked his parents to get him out of it they would tell him he had to do it, it would be a good reason for him to sneak off and/or hide somewhere to get out of being in the show.

If he went outside into the woods, fell or got stung by a bee - I know the area has been searched, but it wouldn't be the first time searchers have missed somebody.

 

[liz b.]

If Kyron was meant to be in this show and Terri knew of it, I have to stick to my theory of a horrible accident and cover-up, which is how I have felt all along. I don't think she would have done it on this day, knowing he should have been missed at the time of the show, even if they thought she took him for a doctor's appointment. She couldn't know that the school would mark him absent for the whole day.

Just more confusion, for me

I'm glad to read this thought provoking post. Another possibilty might be that TH didn't do anything to her stepson .... Just a thought...
All JMO

 

[cluciano63]

It may well be true, but who has confirmed that Terri was such a fixture in Kyron's class? I may have missed that.

I'm not putting much emphasis on this whole talent show thing...his parents didn't even seem to know about it, so why is Terri more or less guilty whether she did or didn't know?

 

[sorrell skye]

If she's guilty it means that she could not have any legit alibi for some part of the day, because that's when she would have been committing the crime.

BBM

IMO, the idea of "Maybe she didn't think she'd need an entire day of alibi, but just the trips to the grocery store, during which time she'd receive 'the call' from Skyline and spring into concerned parent mode" & "That's when she would have been committing the crime" seem to contradict one another, at least in my mind.

I interpret these two lines of reasoning to mean that either TH needlessly wasted time driving around on random roads because she hadn't received a call from the school, OR she spent that 90 minutes committing a crime & disposing of *evidence*.

As far as I'm concerned, it's irrelevant anyway, since Matt Shelby stated early on that the school had such a low truancy/absentee rate (per his statements to the media) that phone calls weren't made to households in the event of absences. That policy has since changed, thank goodness, but @ the time of Kyron's disappearance, it was not in effect @ Skyline, unfortunately.

Therefore, I cannot assume that TH was driving aimlessly around for 90 minutes awaiting a phone call from the school regarding Kyron's absence.