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So what? Surely to god we are allowed to share the same opinion and express those same opinions just as vocally or repeatedly as those of you who think the jury was wrong, lazy, stupid, etc.? Or no? We must get behind the majority and if we don't that means we are DT or jurors? Come on, I don't think that's very fair or respectful. Many folks have spent a lot of time explaining where they are coming from and providing evidence of their position. No one has to agree but surely we can all respect one another?


I agree completely Gladiatorqueen.

To clarify, a question was asked and an obvious observation made. There is nothing unfair nor disrespectful in that.

I think it is self-evident that great efforts are made by all to consider and support/refute the opinions on this forum. To date, I have not read a single post which said everyone must get behind the majority opinion.
 
Not going to happen - not because they can't but they won't waste their time. A child killer walks free and I'm certain they can wait and catch up with her on the flip side...
LG...if the government wants her...they'll waste their time and get her. They've done it before...they can do it again. JMO
 
So what? Surely to god we are allowed to share the same opinion and express those same opinions just as vocally or repeatedly as those of you who think the jury was wrong, lazy, stupid, etc.? Or no? We must get behind the majority and if we don't that means we are DT or jurors? Come on, I don't think that's very fair or respectful. Many folks have spent a lot of time explaining where they are coming from and providing evidence of their position. No one has to agree but surely we can all respect one another?

With all due respect, gladiatorqueen, no one is asking you to change your opinion or get "behind the majority". You are entitled to your opinion here. A poster was just ASKING if certain posters were members of the DT or jury. No harm was meant.
 
Really, because the Darlie Routier jury only deliberated for 7 hours. Is that length okay because it was a guilty verdict?
I heard that usually when there is a swift verdict it is guilty. So, I would have to think that this was one of the rare times when it was not. It would make for an interesting sociological study.
 
See, now here is where it gets confusing...from what I've read it can be related to the crime...but would a "hindering" charge be too similar to the "lying" charge she was already convicted of?

PS- I would love to see Casey's face when she gets word about the probation. I sure hope DOC follows through.

i have to go back and find the link where it stated what the feds could charge her for. when i read it at the time I knew it wouldnt happen so i didnt save it.
seeing the possible probation gives me hope maybe people arent giving up. would love it DOC follows thru as well.
then again, im sure she will get 'special terms" probation and not have to check in or something equally unfair to others who have to follow probation to the letter.

grrr. so frustrating. i dont know why i cant let it go but i want to see justice somehow for Caylee. it sickens me that she was aquitted on all felonies when its so obvious to a thinking person a crime was commited.

thanks for comment :0) always love reading what you have to say
 
Really, because the Darlie Routier jury only deliberated for 7 hours. Is that length okay because it was a guilty verdict?

I know absolutely nothing about the Darlie Routier case and the guilty verdict has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion of the Casey Anthony jury!!!

The Casey Anthony trial was 6 hard weeks of testimony, witnesses, etc. and the jury deliberated less than 10 hours to come to the conclusion of a not guilty verdict. HOW can a jury come to a conclusion in less than 10 hours without asking to see evidence, have transcript read back to them, and even taking their notebooks to the deliberation room? IIRC, more than half of the jurors left their notebooks on their chairs when they went to deliberate! :banghead: If they DID take notes, wouldn't one surmise that they needed their notes to refresh their memory? :banghead:
 
With all due respect, gladiatorqueen, no one is asking you to change your opinion or get "behind the majority". You are entitled to your opinion here. A poster was just ASKING if certain posters were members of the DT or jury. No harm was meant.

With all due respect, given the names and insults that get hurled at the DT and the jurors then I don't suppose it is that difficult to see how that question would be taken as an insult. Cheers.
 
With all due respect, gladiatorqueen, no one is asking you to change your opinion or get "behind the majority". You are entitled to your opinion here. A poster was just ASKING if certain posters were members of the DT or jury. No harm was meant.

What I have some "problems" with is the naysayers saying - look - here's the evidence that "proves" this, this and this. And the answer back is....uh..no...the evidence is actually "this" - and then ensues the argument about the actual evidence...:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: with no comprehension of that it took to actually get that evidence admitted - unlike Mr. Baez who sat up the night before OS, writing fairy tales....
 
So do the rest of the A's, why wouldn't it connect them also?




Same as above. Casey was not the only one who lived in the area, and I'm sure she's not the only one of the A's that knew there was a swamp there. So, this would connect ALL of them, not just Casey.




IMO, the jury needed something that connected Casey, not each one of the A's. Every one of them had access to the things involved in this case. And, LE did extensive searches to find something to connect Casey alone, but they couldn't come up with anything.




I guess it was also lucky that they found Laci's hair in a pair of pliers on his boat that she had never been on... right? Why would you find someone's hair in a pair of pliers?



To be honest, there's nothing saying that the opposing idea isn't being just as blind. She was found not guilty and so many had her convicted and drooling for her to get the needle. This verdict was a shock to many. Perhaps those were the ones who couldn't see the forest through the trees because 12 people didn't agree with them. This case wasn't as open and shut as many had believed and hoped.

Snipped respectfully.

None of the A's wanted Caylee dead for any reason. They loved her. Casey did not. Casey wanted to party and be irresponsible, which is WHY her parents were the main caretakers of Caylee when Casey should have been. Legally, Casey was the one responsible for Caylee's health and welfare, and yet the jury couldn't understand that and threw it out. There are no grandparent's rights to a child when the mother is still alive and capable of taking care of a child. Her brother had no responsibility to Caylee legally. The only one legally responsible was Casey, and yet the jury got confused about this somehow. I don't get it.

And the huge thing a lot of naysayers are missing is that a HURRICANE passed through that area not long after the crime. I don't think that happened in the Scott Peterson case. If you don't understand what hurricanes do to an area after they pass through, let me tell you. All DNA gone. All evidence that could possibly tie Casey dead to rights GONE. This expectation that DNA should have been there or something directly tying her to that scene should have survived a hurricane blowing through that area is preposterous. No hair, No DNA, no nothing that was degradable through time, the hurricane, and the swamp conditions would have survived. So you tell me how the jury could have possibly had better evidence when those conditions of the weather and the area prevented it? So Casey gets away thanks to a hurricane and swamp degrading and taking away evidence? What a justice system we have when weather conditions and environment are repeatedly ignored by the jury and then they whine that there just wasn't enough evidence. That makes no sense to me. Where the heck could have better evidence have come from? And this jury LIVES in Florida. They should, of all people, understand what the environment and hurricane does to a crime scene!!!!

And Casey buried dead pets in that area (and yes, her family buried pets in the backyard that way, but never in that area) in much the same way Caylee was disposed of. The state has made that clear, and yet it has been totally ignored. I would say that ties her to the scene a lot more than the rest of her family.

The thing that bothers me the most is that the jury said the state didn't prove their case, well, but the defense never proved one iota of their case either. So they chose what sounded better but wasn't proven? That's justice? They didn't even go with what was proven in that courtroom, only a story made up by the defense. Pictures of Caylee at the door doesn't put her dead of drowning in a pool. It doesn't prove one iota that a drowning ever occurred. Yet that's what the jury went with. I think they refused to believe that a mother would do horrible things to her own child, especially a pretty young mother like Casey. It was easier to believe that she looked away one moment and Caylee drowned. I get that part. But putting aside all logic and common sense to do that is something I will never understand. The evidence was there and the jury chose to ignore it for the better sounding story that was never ever proven.
 
This reminds me of the story of the marching band that walked down Main Street. The watching crowd included many including little Johnny's mother. As they all marched by, she turned to another spectator and said, "Oh look. Everyone is out of step except little Johnny."

Except for the Jury, me, and all the other 1/3 of the country probably isn't related to the case personally.... nice analogy but I just don't see how it fits to this case.
 
why couldnt FBI charge her with hindering their investigation? they dont have to charge her with murder.
i for one wish they would pick up the dead horse. a convicted person gets to explore loophole after loophole for their justice. why cant the same be done to obtain justice in other circumstances?


Well, being logical here, the FBI aren't personally connected to this case. The FBI isn't known for trying to find ways to charge a person that was found "Not Guilty" by 12 people on a jury, with another crime because the public doesn't agree with the verdict. That is kind of like revenge, and the FBI's doesn't operate that way. The FBI has bigger fish to fry.
 
Thanks for your comments - but does that mean you were or you weren't?

You, Beccalecca, Gladiatorqueen, Goldenlover, pcrum12, and few others all seem to be singing from the same song sheet and it just seems odd. Especially considering the recent timing of the posts.

I'm sorry... but I'm not understanding what is being said in this post. Could you spell it out for me? I don't like to misunderstand posts.

Just because I'm a newer member doesn't mean I'm a member of the case. I, thankfully, am allowed to have my own opinion and don't have to go with the flow of everyone else. I don't believe members of the opposing belief are members of LE related to the case, PT related to this case, etc.
 
You're fortunate...having daily contact with the child makes it my business.

Unless you're a member of the investigative process, it truly isn't anyone's business and it's a violation of the accused civil rights. Just because someone suspects child abuse doesn't make it so, and to personally involve yourself in those cases when you're not suppose to be involved could risk your job and harassment charges.

To me, it's just easier to report and let the people who know what they're doing handle it. If I'm wrong, great news! If I'm not wrong, great news that it was stopped when it was. But, either way, none of my business.
 
I was referring to your initial scenario....you know the parents who were too embarrassed that their child died because they couldn't afford Tylenol?

And that was my response, county hospitals will not provide tylenol to you if your child has a low-grade temp.
 
...and couldn't Peterson's attorney have claimed the same thing...transference? I do remember Baez discussing that...or have I misremembered?

Baez was talking about transfer, yes. But, how would a hair get on pliers? I mean, IMO that's a pretty big leap.
 
Really, because the Darlie Routier jury only deliberated for 7 hours. Is that length okay because it was a guilty verdict?

The jury is there to determine if the prosecution can prove their case, right? I'm phrasing it that way because the DT is not required to prove innocence. Innocent until proven guilty. I look at it like this...

Here on the forum, I don't have to start out believing she is innocent. I believe she is guilty. Obviously there are those who argue her guilt and other's who argue her innocence. I spend far more time looking up the information that is presented by the people here who believe she is innocent because I want to make sure there wasn't something I missed, or something I can look at differently. I want to check and double-check and triple-check that I didn't miss something, ya know? The stuff I agree with, I'm not going to spend a lot of time researching because I already understand that side. I would expect the jury to do the same. So considering they only spent a few hours getting to the Not Guilty verdict, I don't think they spent enough time understanding and considering the 'other side'. I just don't have faith that they truly did their due diligence if I have spent more time (over the last few weeks) making sure that I am comfortable with my position before I open my mouth and say something here. They had a very important responsibility, and it saddens me to think that so many here care enough to invest so much time double and triple checking data, and they did not. MOO
 
IIRC...it was her sister that approached LE before LE came knocking on her door.

I never came across that information. From what I understood, LE went to her house, she wasn't home... left some sort of message they'd like to talk to her. Her and her sister showed up and media was all over the place asking her questions, etc. She was trying to avoid them. You could tell she did not want this story to get out there.
 
In my "opininion" the prosecution did assume that the jurors would use their common sense to connect the dots, however the prosecution overestimated the intelligence, or lack thereof, of the jurors.

Snipped and BBM

Common sense and speculation are completely 2 different things. IMO, you shouldn't convict if you have to speculate. It just shouldn't happen.
 
Really, because the Darlie Routier jury only deliberated for 7 hours. Is that length okay because it was a guilty verdict?

From what I know about the Darlie Routier case it was a pretty clear cut case.7 hours of deliberation would be fair.
 
None of the A's wanted Caylee dead for any reason. They loved her. Casey did not. Casey wanted to party and be irresponsible, which is WHY her parents were the main caretakers of Caylee when Casey should have been. Legally, Casey was the one responsible for Caylee's health and welfare, and yet the jury couldn't understand that and threw it out. There are no grandparent's rights to a child when the mother is still alive and capable of taking care of a child. Her brother had no responsibility to Caylee legally. The only one legally responsible was Casey, and yet the jury got confused about this somehow. I don't get it.

And the huge thing a lot of naysayers are missing is that a HURRICANE passed through that area not long after the crime. I don't think that happened in the Scott Peterson case. If you don't understand what hurricanes do to an area after they pass through, let me tell you. All DNA gone. All evidence that could possibly tie Casey dead to rights GONE. This expectation that DNA should have been there or something directly tying her to that scene should have survived a hurricane blowing through that area is preposterous. No hair, No DNA, no nothing that was degradable through time, the hurricane, and the swamp conditions would have survived. So you tell me how the jury could have possibly had better evidence when those conditions of the weather and the area prevented it? So Casey gets away thanks to a hurricane and swamp degrading and taking away evidence? What a justice system we have when weather conditions and environment are repeatedly ignored by the jury and then they whine that there just wasn't enough evidence. That makes no sense to me. Where the heck could have better evidence have come from? And this jury LIVES in Florida. They should, of all people, understand what the environment and hurricane does to a crime scene!!!!

And Casey buried dead pets in that area (and yes, her family buried pets in the backyard that way, but never in that area) in much the same way Caylee was disposed of. The state has made that clear, and yet it has been totally ignored. I would say that ties her to the scene a lot more than the rest of her family.

The thing that bothers me the most is that the jury said the state didn't prove their case, well, but the defense never proved one iota of their case either. So they chose what sounded better but wasn't proven? That's justice? They didn't even go with what was proven in that courtroom, only a story made up by the defense. Pictures of Caylee at the door doesn't put her dead of drowning in a pool. It doesn't prove one iota that a drowning ever occurred. Yet that's what the jury went with. I think they refused to believe that a mother would do horrible things to her own child, especially a pretty young mother like Casey. It was easier to believe that she looked away one moment and Caylee drowned. I get that part. But putting aside all logic and common sense to do that is something I will never understand. The evidence was there and the jury chose to ignore it for the better sounding story that was never ever proven.

You are right on the hurricane. It most likely destroyed valuable evidence, but we will never know. You can't convict someone on what you think would have or should have been there before the hurricane. You have to have evidence.
The defense doesn't have to prove not one thing. They don't even have to present a case. The burden is on the state to present the evidence to uphold the charges that they have brought to the table of the accused.
 
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