The Verdict - Do you agree or disagree?

[Baznme]

My point about the body being found was they would not of needed a grand jury. I would be curious to know just how GA testifying to the grand jury was a cover up mode for himself?

ITA......how does this make any sense? GA would risk his daughter facing serious charges by the State to cover up what? His part in it? Molestation? It doesn't ring true IMO and goes against everything they were trying to do which was..........find out what happened to Caylee. Even Lee said to his sister......"it's all going to come out"...........IMO meaning you had better be telling the truth.....which he already knew, probably wasn't to be.

1. Why after pleading with KC to talk with ANYONE to shed some light on where Caylee was would GA do such a thing unless he believed in his heart it would bring the truth out?

2. CA wouldn't have allowed him to do this unless she thought it would bring out the whereabouts of Caylee so she could go get her.

3. GA at one point was so despondant that he didn't want to go on living because he knew Caylee was gone and he knew in his heart that his only daughter was responsible. He even stated in his letter to CA that he had tried with KC but, had always been told "not to be so negative". At that point, he as also feeling responsible his daughter would never see the light of day again and had no words for her at the end of his note. Yeah, he was no angel and had plenty of rust spots on his halo but, he loved his little grandaughter with all his heart. Cindy adored her. Lee was proud of her and KC had never been a "good mother" in the true sense of the word. If she ever bought her anything, it had to have been sparse not having an income and stealing from other people to keep up the facade. No, I do not believe GA was ever in coverup mode...........if he EVER was, it wasn't himself he was covering for. JMO

 

[RR0004]

Again, OT to the thread topic, but an interesting story about fever vs accident....
OTC pain and fever relief.... which is what I had been giving her while she was sick to treat the 103-104 temp for the week. Obviously I had already taken her to the doc prior to that for the dx of 5th. unfortunately there's no antibiotic or other treatments to help with this disease.
When that fever wouldn't budge, she was barely eating, but was drinking water and was really lethargic I took her to the ER.
But the ER sent us home saying as long as she was getting fluids and I kept giving her the fever meds, that there was no real danger.....because 'a fever is a good thing'. (even though the fever meds weren't getting her temp down to where it needed to be).
I seriously wanted to slap the next doc or nurse who said that, because it seemed so serious to me knowing the dangers of fever.Thankfully she started to improve in the next few days.

.....Which is when my younger DD fell off her scooter landing face-first on the tiles at home. She knocked out a few teeth, and had a gaping hole right through her lower lip. Blood everywhere. anic:

This trip to the ER was very different. I was drilled about how the accident happened. Who witnessed it? Did anyone push her? When I started to answer 'no' they said 'No! We want to hear it from her'

I knew what those questions meant. I couldn't believe they thought there was a possibility that it had been from abuse. Thankfully she's old enough to explain in detail what happened and that it really was just an accident.

She had to go under GA to have plastic surgery and oral surgery, and I was there when they knocked her out. I had been calm on the outside for DD's sake but was panicking internally. They even questioned my 'calmness' under the circumstances. It wasn't until I explained that I used to be a dental nurse and had seen this kind of thing many times before, and I knew how important it was for a parent to keep calm for the child's sake, that they seemed to finally believe that I wasn't an abusive or negligent parent.

Oh my! I've heard so many horror stories of late...Dr.'s making very bad decisions. I hope your daughter is okay today.

 

[Baznme]

I'm sorry, my question is how do you know this? Did JB tell you this? Was he quoted somewhere as saying this?

I think.....maybe JB's extensive knowledge of DNA was being displayed for the jury and Dr. Vass's expertise in decomposition turned into somewhat of a confrontation in court. Apples and oranges in comparison but, nevertheless, I believe that was the jest of that comment.

 

[yolorado]

No. If you went according to GA's statement, Casey left to drop Caylee of at Zanny's (who we now know doesn't exist). But, in many of GA's appearances on the stand he lied. After re-listening to trial testimony and comparing it to prior statements to LE and depositions, I've noticed he lies when he tells the most details. So, IMO, his account of his last goodbyes were all a lie.

Now, if you go by the theory of a possible drowning, both Casey and GA were in the house, but GA states he would "watch" Caylee while Casey got ready for work. Would he be considered the provider at that point? What if Casey took a nap since she was up all hours of the night talking to TL, asked GA to watch Caylee and she got outside, up the ladder, and drowned without GA knowing and stopping her?

If you were to blend the 2 stories to attempt to figure out who was actually the one responsible for her at the moment of her death, I think it would be really hard to decipher who it was.

Well, we have the consistent testimony of George in police statements and on tape and television for several years saying KC and Caylee left together and that he never saw Caylee again. Then we have Casey's own admissions consistent with George's statements that she did indeed have custody of KC when either (1) she took Caylee to Sawgrass to the apartment of Zenaida FG or when (2) Zenaida FG and her Sister Sam held KC down at Jay Blanchard Park and kidnapped Caylee because KC wasn't a good mother. The statements of both George and KC, herself, from Day 31 up until trial, for 3 years, consistently placed Caylee in the custody of KC the last time either George or KC saw her alive.

 

[RR0004]

Absolutely RR0004. I never had a doubt the doc's were here. You've seen enough of my posts to know that I'm right there with ya. I can't accept it either. I don't know why I hadn't seen Dr. Vass's report before now. Life gets in the way of my favorite place to go to share my feelings about this case, but nevertheless, I'm also glad logicalgirl linked it here. It just cements my suspicions even more now.

Absolutely know!

 

[RR0004]

..if kc thought that george would go to jail----for molesting caylee----it would make sense to me that she WOULD tell---george would now be IN jail, she'd be OUT of jail ( and not have to worry about george molesting HER anymore.)

..i would think that she "realized that george was throwing HER under the bus"-----october 14/08, when he testified @ the GJ and SHE was arrested for murder.

..if she had a molestation/drowning story TO tell------to save her favourite person--------HERSELF----that would have been a great time to do it.

There were so many times I saw Casey's hand in statements Baez said at trial (including the opening statement). Casey would/will never forget her father testifying before the grand jury. She was so p$ssed that her parents didn't bail her out of jail. Yes, I think Casey remembers every slight. She will not be satisfied until she destroys everyone that she perceives as having crossed her. There is no doubt in my mind, Casey held that family hostage.
...and now the DT thinks by saying Casey wants psychological help they will be able to re-invent her. She'll come out as the new and improved Casey. It's NOT going to happen. The person you saw with that (evil) grin getting into the SUV after her release is and will always be the REAL Casey Anthony (IMO).

 

[com n sense]

No. If you went according to GA's statement, Casey left to drop Caylee of at Zanny's (who we now know doesn't exist). But, in many of GA's appearances on the stand he lied. After re-listening to trial testimony and comparing it to prior statements to LE and depositions, I've noticed he lies when he tells the most details. So, IMO, his account of his last goodbyes were all a lie.

Now, if you go by the theory of a possible drowning, both Casey and GA were in the house, but GA states he would "watch" Caylee while Casey got ready for work. Would he be considered the provider at that point? What if Casey took a nap since she was up all hours of the night talking to TL, asked GA to watch Caylee and she got outside, up the ladder, and drowned without GA knowing and stopping her?

If you were to blend the 2 stories to attempt to figure out who was actually the one responsible for her at the moment of her death, I think it would be really hard to decipher who it was.

JMO - but I have a really hard time thinking an x cop would bag his GD & throw her in a swamp down the street.
A mother who murders her child always wraps them & puts them close to home.
If GA had anything to do with this Caylee would have never been found.
I also have a hard time thinking that if GA took the body away fron KC & got rid of it, KC being such a loving mom would have demanded to know where her baby's body was.
I always find when 2 people commit a crime together they never part ways. They always keep in close contact to make sure their stories stay straight & ofcourse they don't want any surprises.

 

[RR0004]

How is it prove GA did molest Casey? How would people believe it?

Does people just not want to believe that *maybe* a father could do something so vile? Is it not possible? I suspect that even if GA did admit to it....just as many people will believe he is lying.

Casey could sit in jail for 3 years b/c of shame.

Shame is a powerful force.

I'm not saying it happened...I'm just saying that it could have. We will probably never know.

Just my opinion.

Jurists shouldn't be speculating. There was NO PROOF provided at trial.

 

[yolorado]

When there is accidental drowning, attempts are made to revive the victim. 911 is called. The victim is taken to the hospital when more attempts are made to bring back the victim. If death occurs, relatives and friends are notified, funeral arrangements are made. There is a memorial service, cremation and/or burial. The victim is mourned. There is no talk of kidnapping. The body is not found tossed in woods wrapped in duct tape.

If there is a murder, 911 may not be called. If it is, lies are usually told, false leads are provided to the police. The perp is frequently found to have been acting as if nothing were wrong. A body may eventually be found which, frequently, has been bagged and dumped.

This was no accidental drowning. This was something else all together. GA had nothing to do with it. KC did and she got away with it. WHAT a country!

 

[Sustained]

There were so many times I saw Casey's hand in statements Baez said at trial (including the opening statement). Casey would/will never forget her father testifying before the grand jury. She was so p$ssed that her parents didn't bail her out of jail. Yes, I think Casey remembers every slight. She will not be satisfied until she destroys everyone that she perceives as having crossed her. There is no doubt in my mind, Casey held that family hostage.
...and now the DT thinks by saying Casey wants psychological help they will be able to re-invent her. She'll come out as the new and improved Casey. It's NOT going to happen. The person you saw with that (evil) grin getting into the SUV after her release is and will always be the REAL Casey Anthony (IMO).

FCA was held without bond on the murder indictment. If you're talking about bailing her out on the check charges, you can't get blood from rock, the A's had no money.

 

[RR0004]

Well, wouldn't that be making an assumption also?

Respectfully, enough said.

 

[RR0004]

Regardless of who works for who and whose duty or business it is, doesn't common sense or your duty as a human being tell you that when a car comes into your yard smelling of decomp (in your opinion) you don't just shrug and process the car? what if the decomposing human is in the trunk ?

Woulda, coulda, shoulda...Mr. Birch didn't kill Caylee.

However, common sense may have gotten us a different verdict.

 

[RR0004]

FCA was held without bond on the murder indictment. If you're talking about bailing her out on the check charges, you can't get blood from rock, the A's had no money.

Nope, she wanted them to put up their house. She no doubt wanted them to beg, borrow, and steal to get her out. I personally think she also wanted them to sell "stuff". Do you remember the visit when she states "That's half my bail" (speaking of the reward for Caylee)? She was annoyed...there is even more direct reference to what they could have been doing.

Sustained...this was when she was first arrested....

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._cindy-anthony-casey-anthony-anthony-reported

 

[Caligram]

I'm sorry, my question is how do you know this? Did JB tell you this? Was he quoted somewhere as saying this?

I guess if JB can say that GA molested FCA, than I can say that JB hated Dr. Vass. I believe that JB was extremely disrespectful to the Prosecution witnesses. His behavior in the courtroom was hateful, in my opinion. The word "hate" is not as horribly distasteful to me as the word molestation. I also hate split pea soup and a few other things.
Also, I will be honest again and say that I despise JB, and he makes my skin crawl. Little red flags pop up in my mind whenever I see an image of him.

:cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::

 

[Trapshooter]

FCA was held without bond on the murder indictment. If you're talking about bailing her out on the check charges, you can't get blood from rock, the A's had no money.

IIRC, George & Cindy were at the jail visiting Casey and told her the amount of the reward money for Caylee. IIRC it was either $225K or $250K and Casey said "Wow, that's half of my bail!"

Does anyone else remember that? Casey wasn't concerned about Caylee being found, all she was concerned about was her parents bailing her out! :furious:

 

[Trapshooter]

Nope, she wanted them to put up their house. She no doubt wanted them to beg, borrow, and steal to get her out. I personally think she also wanted them to sell "stuff". Do you remember the visit when she states "That's half my bail" (speaking of the reward for Caylee)? She was annoyed...there is even more direct reference to what they could have been doing.

Sustained...this was when she was first arrested....

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._cindy-anthony-casey-anthony-anthony-reported

RR0004 we must have ESP! lol I was posting the same thing! :seeya:

 

[RR0004]

You mean no one in the public had heard this for 3 years, PT and the A's knew about this prior to trial.

...the As heard it from the media...according to Cindy's own words. The DT came on boards like this and picked every wild theory they could find. Not terribly creative, but I guess they figured they only needed 1 person to buy it.

 

[kelian36]

This is where you and I disagree and that's ok.

:seeya: I agree, you and I can disagree. :waitasec:

 

[RR0004]

RR0004 we must have ESP! lol I was posting the same thing! :seeya:

GM and all that...lol. We've been doing this too long, Trap. We can repeat things verbatim.

 

[Trapshooter]

...the As heard it from the media...according to Cindy's own words. The DT came on boards like this and picked every wild theory they could find. Not terribly creative, but I guess they figured they only needed 1 person to buy it.

Exactly RR0004!!! Cindy did say she heard it from the media!!!

Wonder if beccalecca remembers the guy (can't remember his name? :waitasec that was a convicted felon that the DT was trying to say knew George? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Our own AZlawyer blew that theory to pieces!!! :rocker::rocker: