Theories #1: What Happened to Jennifer Kesse?

[digndoodle]

I don't think LE gave a hoot about how the Kesses felt about the ex. He was interviewed very soon after Jennifer went missing. He was interviewed by LE more than once. I don't think it matters whether or not the public was told that. Do you have a source to back up your first paragraph? Or is it your interpretation of how you think the Kesses feel? Sorry but it would be out of the ordinary for LE skip interviewing someone because they were told the person was a nice guy. Do you have some kind of source that shows they were harboring a safety net for suspects? What?
It's pointless to argue about it. LE obviously does not have enough on anyone to make an arrest. There are a lot of rabbit holes to go down in this case. Accusing the kesses of harboring suspects is the most ridiculous one i have heard, but it is your opinion, so carry on.

I don't think we need to get in any arguments about anything at this point, I am pointing a finger at no-one here but would love to express my opinion, I cannot possibly begin to know how it feels to have a child go missing, can't even put a tiny thought into what a parents grief would be like, so therefore I do not know what I would want the public to know about my child if they were missing, about some of the people they may have been friends with and etc.....but there is 1 (my terms only) bad quality I have noticed in one of the parents in all known shows and statements that have been made since her disappearence and sometimes the arrogance in our personality's forbids us to open our minds to be clear or correct on any possible new leads and etc. and by that I mean I feel as a parent we have in our minds what we want our kids to be perceived as in LIFE in general, we do not wish any person to think they are less than perfect, that they are young and definitely will be making mistakes along the way and I might add some will be pretty bad mistakes but I feel that is how we as people learn in LIFE and is how we pattern our grown up years after, there is not one reading this that can say you did not make many mistakes in your younger years, I certainly did and will be the 1st to admit it.
so therefore I feel sometimes this inward mind only thinking our kids are perfect can cloud our thinking and if a child was missing would sometimes totally close the mind down and the mind would reject any idea, possibility or even block 1 thought that our child was any less than the perfection we have ingrained in our minds....I hope I am making sense, it is hard to put into words what is in my heart but I have watched the interviews very close, sometimes even looking them up at a later time to re-watch them again and again and again....I'm sorry but I just feel one of the parents in this case will never have the barriers broken down no matter what kind of evidence they come forth with, how it may be proved and etc. it seems they have already formed how or what was done and there will be no way to ever change their minds, call it their grieving, coping pattern or whatever but the barriers needs to be broken in this person so clear thinking can come forth and then perhaps a lot could be added to Jennifer's case that perhaps they have held inside for these 8 plus years, if not I have a fear that this case may never be solved.....sometimes our arrogance can be a devil of a demon to push aside inside our minds because we would have to accept we were wrong and also accept that no child is perfect.

I just feel this investigation was messed up from the start, No-one should have entered the condo and I mean absolutely no-one until the lead investigator was there and finished all the necessary printing, looking for any possible dna down to the smallest things that should have been searched out and I'm blunt in saying this I know, but this family should not have been allowed inside until everything was totally searched out and when OPD gave them the OK to go inside if they wished and I feel if this had been the case we might have a lot more evidence found and this case could have been solved shortly after she was known missing...sometimes out best qualities as human beings is to be quiet and let things just fall into place as they should and not rush to try and be the super hero we all feel we can be sometimes deep inside of us.

I personally do not put a big 100% beside the x-BF, I just feel LE knew from the very start he was at the condo that weekend and I feel it was a red light to them when they 1st knew this and we know he has been interviewed several times, so in 8 plus years I feel if they even had a clue it could have been this person they would have had him tracked so hard that they would have found a way to have him arrested on some charge just to be brought in so they could have even watched him closer while in jail and perhaps even questioned him more, they would have found a way to get him on some type of charge plus we have the fact he has remained friends with her brother tells me there is not 1 shred of anything that LE or the Kesse's think he might be a POI in this case
I will end saying, I hope they have gained some new leads, new information and etc. that will perhaps start a new investigator on taking this case and going back to the very 1st day she was known missing, I just feel if new eyes would take this case they might see things that have been totally overlooked in all these 8 plus years and I feel some may be very simple things that were just dismissed as being what was thought to be nothing important but may turn out to be something big in leading them to soon solving this case....My heart breaks for the parents in this case, I seen them on the 1st interview on TV not long after Jennifer was known missing and I sat on my sofa and cried and cried at how heart broken they were, then saw where a time later they still went to the big roads and was still handing out flyers to motorists while the camera showed one parent hiding the tears behind the posters as they were handing them out...It breaks my heart right into, even to this very day.....I just hope soon they get a long overdue answer, this family has suffered long and hard and it is time they get answers and try to begin some type of healing process

 

[MysteryMaven]

I don't think we need to get in any arguments about anything at this point, I am pointing a finger at no-one here but would love to express my opinion, I cannot possibly begin to know how it feels to have a child go missing, can't even put a tiny thought into what a parents grief would be like, so therefore I do not know what I would want the public to know about my child if they were missing, about some of the people they may have been friends with and etc.....but there is 1 (my terms only) bad quality I have noticed in one of the parents in all known shows and statements that have been made since her disappearence and sometimes the arrogance in our personality's forbids us to open our minds to be clear or correct on any possible new leads and etc. and by that I mean I feel as a parent we have in our minds what we want our kids to be perceived as in LIFE in general, we do not wish any person to think they are less than perfect, that they are young and definitely will be making mistakes along the way and I might add some will be pretty bad mistakes but I feel that is how we as people learn in LIFE and is how we pattern our grown up years after, there is not one reading this that can say you did not make many mistakes in your younger years, I certainly did and will be the 1st to admit it.
so therefore I feel sometimes this inward mind only thinking our kids are perfect can cloud our thinking and if a child was missing would sometimes totally close the mind down and the mind would reject any idea, possibility or even block 1 thought that our child was any less than the perfection we have ingrained in our minds....I hope I am making sense, it is hard to put into words what is in my heart but I have watched the interviews very close, sometimes even looking them up at a later time to re-watch them again and again and again....I'm sorry but I just feel one of the parents in this case will never have the barriers broken down no matter what kind of evidence they come forth with, how it may be proved and etc. it seems they have already formed how or what was done and there will be no way to ever change their minds, call it their grieving, coping pattern or whatever but the barriers needs to be broken in this person so clear thinking can come forth and then perhaps a lot could be added to Jennifer's case that perhaps they have held inside for these 8 plus years, if not I have a fear that this case may never be solved.....sometimes our arrogance can be a devil of a demon to push aside inside our minds because we would have to accept we were wrong and also accept that no child is perfect.

I just feel this investigation was messed up from the start, No-one should have entered the condo and I mean absolutely no-one until the lead investigator was there and finished all the necessary printing, looking for any possible dna down to the smallest things that should have been searched out and I'm blunt in saying this I know, but this family should not have been allowed inside until everything was totally searched out and when OPD gave them the OK to go inside if they wished and I feel if this had been the case we might have a lot more evidence found and this case could have been solved shortly after she was known missing...sometimes out best qualities as human beings is to be quiet and let things just fall into place as they should and not rush to try and be the super hero we all feel we can be sometimes deep inside of us.

I personally do not put a big 100% beside the x-BF, I just feel LE knew from the very start he was at the condo that weekend and I feel it was a red light to them when they 1st knew this and we know he has been interviewed several times, so in 8 plus years I feel if they even had a clue it could have been this person they would have had him tracked so hard that they would have found a way to have him arrested on some charge just to be brought in so they could have even watched him closer while in jail and perhaps even questioned him more, they would have found a way to get him on some type of charge plus we have the fact he has remained friends with her brother tells me there is not 1 shred of anything that LE or the Kesse's think he might be a POI in this case
I will end saying, I hope they have gained some new leads, new information and etc. that will perhaps start a new investigator on taking this case and going back to the very 1st day she was known missing, I just feel if new eyes would take this case they might see things that have been totally overlooked in all these 8 plus years and I feel some may be very simple things that were just dismissed as being what was thought to be nothing important but may turn out to be something big in leading them to soon solving this case....My heart breaks for the parents in this case, I seen them on the 1st interview on TV not long after Jennifer was known missing and I sat on my sofa and cried and cried at how heart broken they were, then saw where a time later they still went to the big roads and was still handing out flyers to motorists while the camera showed one parent hiding the tears behind the posters as they were handing them out...It breaks my heart right into, even to this very day.....I just hope soon they get a long overdue answer, this family has suffered long and hard and it is time they get answers and try to begin some type of healing process

You think Jennifer was leading a double life or something? I could see that if it was in relation to her workplace, ie, she knew something very dangerous.
I still don't understand why it is so hard for people to believe that these types of people exist:
--Beautiful Looks
--Well loved by family and friends
--Intelligent, educated, with a good job
--Comes from a loving, intact family with no deep dark secrets.
Newsflash everyone, people like Jennifer are real! They exist! Not everyone has skeletons in the closet!
Jennifer's parents knew she had been to the Monkey Bar in Orlando in the weeks prior to her disappearance and asked LE to check surveillance video of the bar. They knew Jennifer was young, attractive, had friends, and probably went out for drinks/partying on occasion. Not unheard of for a 24 year old.
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[MysteryMaven]

New Details Released In Disappearance Of Jennifer Kesse

POSTED: 4:37 pm EST February 10, 2006
UPDATED: 5:31 pm EST February 10, 2006


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Jennifer's family now confirms her younger brother Logan had stayed at her condo with several of his friends while she was on vacation the weekend before she vanished. Police have had that information from the beginning.

"Absolutely they've looked at them. They've had multiple discussions with them. They will go through the same thing everyone else will go through," said Jennifer's father, Drew.

Channel 9 has also learned one of those friends left a cell phone at Jennifer&#8217;s condo and asked her to overnight it. The Monday night or Tuesday morning she disappeared, she may have left her condo looking for a roadside drop box to mail that cell phone. The package is missing and never made it to its destination.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/new-details-released-in-disappearance-of-jennifer-/nJqNt/

Does that sound like someone who is "fostering a safety net for suspects"?
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[MysteryMaven]

I have started reading Jennifer's first thread here at WS. I think it is good to start from the beginning in cases like this. I think it's like playing telephone and things get distorted over the years.
I was under the assumption that the surveillance video of the car parker was not released until months after Jennifer went missing.
Well people were discussing it here on WS right after the car was found so I guess that was wrong. Maybe it was the enhanced pictures that took so long. I think people need to stick to the facts and verify before throwing inflammatory statements out. I was all over LE for holding the surveillance photos back and I had it wrong. Enough with implying that the naïveté of Jennifer 's parents impeded this investigation. There is ZERO evidence of that. Zero.
There is also ZERO evidence that Jennifer was leading an unsavory secret life. Let's not start blaming the victim.

 

[Harmony 2]

I have started reading Jennifer's first thread here at WS. I think it is good to start from the beginning in cases like this. I think it's like playing telephone and things get distorted over the years.
I was under the assumption that the surveillance video of the car parker was not released until months after Jennifer went missing.
Well people were discussing it here on WS right after the car was found so I guess that was wrong. Maybe it was the enhanced pictures that took so long. I think people need to stick to the facts and verify before throwing inflammatory statements out. I was all over LE for holding the surveillance photos back and I had it wrong. Enough with implying that the naïveté of Jennifer 's parents impeded this investigation. There is ZERO evidence of that. Zero.
There is also ZERO evidence that Jennifer was leading an unsavory secret life. Let's not start blaming the victim.

The video was not released until May 17, 2007. Jenn disappeared on January 24, 2006.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/new-video-information-released-in-jennifer-kesse-c/nFBfS/

Previously on Sat, Feb 4, 2006 Orlando police released two photos of a person walking past a gate at HOTG at the corner of Texas Avenue and Americana Boulevard. (this information is from a 34 page word document I have on the case). Many links no longer work.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2006-02-05/news/KESSE05_1_kesse-images-orlando-police

 

[Harmony 2]

Be careful with the ex-boyfriend here, please. LE has not named him a POI/suspect so he is not sleuthable. Keeping him unnamed, you can discuss what the Kesse's said, but don't take it further than that on these public threads.

Some interesting information, that is not open to WS sleuthing at this point.

Salem

I am bumping this up... we need to tread lightly... bickering about unknowns will not be tolerated.

 

[MysteryMaven]

The video was not released until May 17, 2007. Jenn disappeared on January 24, 2006.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/new-video-information-released-in-jennifer-kesse-c/nFBfS/

Previously on Sat, Feb 4, 2006 Orlando police released two photos of a person walking past a gate at HOTG at the corner of Texas Avenue and Americana Boulevard. (this information is from a 34 page word document I have on the case). Many links no longer work.

Thank you for clarifying this.

 

[Shin Masamura]

Back to the facts.. or lack there of..
I started back from the beginning, went thru all of the suspects.. and a couple of things stood out at me..

The crime scene, where is it? Not in Jennifer's apartment, front steps, her parking space, or in her car since it was only wiped down and not detailed.

Some other things that make me think she left the apartment and was abducted. If the POI abducted her on her doorstep, they would have to know or assume there is no cameras at the mosiac entry point. Then there's the fact that they dropped off the car in a lower income apartment complex with two cameras and could have easily been detected. Her purse and briefcase are missing, so she had to of left completely IMO. Did she shower before going out the night before or in the morning. But why go out on a monday? In the morning on tues going to work? Was she car jacked on a busy, busy road.. none of this makes more sense today then it did then..

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I am not saying the Kesse family kept LE from investigating certain people as it was not up to them. However, no mention of an ex-bf being across the street at the time she went missing...well...it may have helped this case tremendously had they not kept that out of the news. There were people at the Blue Martini who had first hand accounts of his actions and words and the information was still fresh in their minds. Today, zero people would remember some drunk guy spouting off about his ex 8 years ago. Did they impede the investigation? No (unless LE wasn't given the info). Did they miss an opportunity to reach people who could have held the key to this investigation? Yes, imo. Can't go back now.

The safety net was not bringing up anyone or anything to the public knowing this was going on behind the scenes. It kept people in the dark about things to report at the time.

 

[daniela40]

What? Her ex boyfriend (and friend of her brother) lived across the street from Jennifer?
And what was he spouting about her at the bar?
This is the first time I've heard about this!



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[sarah7855]

What? Her ex boyfriend (and friend of her brother) lived across the street from Jennifer?
And what was he spouting about her at the bar?
This is the first time I've heard about this!



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No. We don't know where Jennifer's ex lived, nor are we allowed to sleuth him. It came out in Greta Van Susteren's recent show on Jennifer's case via Drew Kesse, Jen's father, that her ex-boyfriend was at Blue Martini the night before she disappeared, getting "drunk as a skunk". Blue Martini is very close to Jen's condo, IIRC, half a mile away. This piece of information was not known to the public before this show aired, thus, the discussion for the last few pages.

It is not known what the ex-BF said at all that night, which was the point that Seriously Searching was trying to make. Had the fact been made known that her ex was at a bar getting drunk so close to Jen's home the night before she disappeared (very much within the time frame of interest), then the public could have potentially given leads to the police that could have had a huge effect on the investigation. But now, eight years later, people aren't going to remember that information.

 

[sarah7855]

It boggles my mind that her condo was not searched, computer not examined, survellience video not released for over a year, and now this about the ex coming out years later. There is no way to know how differently this whole case might have played out. It's a shame.

 

[digndoodle]

MysteryMaven:.......You think Jennifer was leading a double life or something? I could see that if it was in relation to her workplace, ie, she knew something very dangerous.
I still don't understand why it is so hard for people to believe that these types of people exist:
--Beautiful Looks
--Well loved by family and friends
--Intelligent, educated, with a good job
--Comes from a loving, intact family with no deep dark secrets.
Newsflash everyone, people like Jennifer are real! They exist! Not everyone has skeletons in the closet!
Jennifer's parents knew she had been to the Monkey Bar in Orlando in the weeks prior to her disappearance and asked LE to check surveillance video of the bar. They knew Jennifer was young, attractive, had friends, and probably went out for drinks/partying on occasion. Not unheard of for a 24 year old.

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MysteryMaven, I feel you need to go back and re-read my posts, NEVER did I say anything about Jennifer not being a very well liked beautiful young lady, quiet the opposite
and most of the posts was about 1 of the parents (not accusing them at all) but as I said if it were my child and they all of a sudden went missing as Jennifer did and seems
she just seemed to more or less drop off the face of the earth, my heart would be in so many pieces I can't begin to tell you how I would feel, I cannot even get 1 thought in
my head how these parents deal with all this.
but I do feel 1 parent has became so obsessed with 1 theory it will be very hard to ever change their mind, no matter what type of evidence they find, may never find and etc.
I feel Jennifer was a beautiful young lady, had an awesome job, tons of friends in her circle and so much more...Please don't say I am trying to say she had skeletons in her closet
that was never my intention at all, in fact she would have been the type of daughter any parent would have been highly proud of.

But with all that being said, if I was this parent with only 1 possibility in my mind, I feel or call it arrogance and could never open my mind to different possibilities, no matter who
came forth and tried to present them to me, how much they had to tell me and yet still I would come back at LE or whoever was presenting theories to me and tell them I absolutely
do not think this is what happened at all and each time they talk with this parent they still cling to 1 theory it would be very close minded of me to do so as I feel it is with one of her parents.
If you watch closely in all the interviews at the body language it is very plain that the one always has ideas, presents them very quickly and will knock an interviewer down very quickly if they stray off the topic of what they have so deeply ingrained in their own mind, they simply will not let any new or possibilities even start to enter their mind and I have watched the other parent
in what I call kinda just slump back and quieten off, I feel they know also that they will never change the others mind, but also feel this 1 parent of Jennifers knows there is a strong possibility that truly never happened
I am trying to be very cautious with my words, I know we are not allowed to discuss certain names and certain subjects and therefore my posting may sound kinda off the wall, but I know what I'm thinking and trying to get my thoughts in this
A parent I feel should never come to one theory so quickly and block off their mind and train of thought where they will never have offered information or other ideas to enter their mind
as possibilities
I have watched the Kesse's many times on various shows and etc., I find them to be some of the most kind-caring people I have seen in a very very long time and I feel they are the type of parents that would want all their kids friends to feel very welcomed in their own home and I am sure the friends love these people, but a closed mind can be very dangerous in letting an in vestigation go forward just because your mind is stuck on 1 theory, the reason I keep saying this is on each interview I've seen them do, it seems they get excited when they feel new info. may be a possibility and they seem to want to embrace all they can on their daughter, yet in just a few short minutes you can almost see and tell this one parent wanders back off into letting all this go and it is almost as if a movie is being made and you can see so plain that it is almost a hurt look on the face that there might be a possibility other than what has been held onto for several years now by one of the parents...could be a possibility but highly doubtful

from now on I am going to think my brains out before posting anything on any thread, again...NEVER did I mean to accuse Jennifer of anything and NEVER did I feel she was living a secret life, and I feel 199% she had absolutely nothing to do with whatever happened to her, I feel she loved her life at the point she apparently was taken, but I do feel that 1 parent needs to renew their mind, try to get all former theories behind them and try to move on with any forthcoming new theories, evidence, ideas and etc. I just feel in my mind whether it be at or in her condo, near her car or either while out in her car met up with a demon-devil person that has caused her and this family great harm and my only reason for checking on this case as I said above, I saw the 1st interview that was done by her parents and could do nothing but sit and cry and cry at how their hearts were so broken by the missing of their daughter, this case affected me deeply and I have plans on checking in on any new evidence and etc. as long as this thread still remains....I do have my own POI way down deep in my heart and it will be there until FBI or OPD comes forth and proves it to be wrong and Yes I have turned this all into proper authorities but I just feel right now it is still a wait & see process

Sorry if I mislead anyone into thinking my above posts was meant to blame Jennifer in anyway, that was not my intention at all!!!

 

[bucshunter]

C'mon folks the family's only goal is to find Jennifer. They will do anything in their power to find her. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[CanManEh]

Again something I said before . The video the first one of the guy walking. Thats was all that was released for about too months well the kesse's are who is responsible for getting the second video that was released the police wanted to keep that close to the vest they wanted to have that one thing they hold back incase someone ever talks they will know if its true cause only that person would know aboutthe car video but after the case slowed down the kesse's fought and i mean arguments about the release of the new video hopeing to get that new lead so think of that when your wondering if the parents want jen found ....

 

[sarah7855]

You guys, we are all here for the same purpose-because we want to help in every way we can to help Jen come home. No one insinuated that her parents do not want her coming home, are trying to cover anything up, that Jen was leading any sort of secret life or anything else ridiculous. This is too bright of a group to be taking things out of context in such a manner!

Group hug :grouphug:

 

[STANDREID]

Is suggesting that she may have disappeared voluntarily considered to be insinuating that she was leading some sort of secret life? I don't see any more evidence that she was abducted than that she just left; and that, looking at the picture of the "perp", is being generous.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Is suggesting that she may have disappeared voluntarily considered to be insinuating that she was leading some sort of secret life? I don't see any more evidence that she was abducted than that she just left; and that, looking at the picture of the "perp", is being generous.

Voluntarily missing is a remote possibility, but nothing has pointed in that direction from the beginning from what I have seen. That could entail suicide or starting a new life, but I don't see either one of those scenarios being serious options in her case. No indication of her leading a "secret life". Meeting an ex for a drink or even more isn't leading a secret life in my book...as she didn't have a ring on her finger and she wasn't hiding if they met in public somewhere. But we have no proof a meeting took place with the ex-bf.

Anything you have found which could point toward voluntarily missing? Why would a woman with her life happily falling into place and seemingly with no emotional problems suddenly decide to leave or commit suicide?

 

[STANDREID]

I don't see any real evidence either way. The only thing we know is that she's gone and that someone parked her car and that person could be a perp or it could be Jennifer. We don't know that she had a reason to leave but we don't know that someone had a reason to killer either.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't see any real evidence either way. The only thing we know is that she's gone and that someone parked her car and that person could be a perp or it could be Jennifer. We don't know that she had a reason to leave but we don't know that someone had a reason to kill her (fixed your typo) either.

Jealousy is the oldest motive in the book. I would say we do know at least one reason.