Sorry friend, I've been following this case for years and was to believe this was the case as well. It wasn't until the Unconcluded podcast which the Joyce Kesse states this is not facts nor was she told this. Is this a downplay or something else, I don't know. Not sure of the vitriol. Just stating what I heard from studying this case. Later I will link the pages of people discussing this when this was made available..
My apologies for jumping in, but I still believe there is actually something to this ping study business and the final event of both cell phones occurring at the same time, or nearly the same time.
I say this with nothing but the greatest respect for Mr. and Mrs. Kesse who pursue a morning abduction theory.
As far as law enforcement seeming to back away from the accuracy of the ping study in later years--in my opinion, I think they want to lean toward a show of unity with the Kesses.
If a miracle happened and charges were laid against a perpetrator in a court of law, I'd be willing to bet we would hear more about the "unreliable, basically garbage" ping study.
At that point, though, I don't think it would be considered as such.
Contacted someone in the discussion group for Unconcluded. Episode for Joyce's audio on the 10:40 issue.
https://audioboom.com/posts/5969731-endpoints Again, not sure if its a legal thing, or miss information.
I'm wondering if you have listened to the following episode from the Unconcluded podcast--Going Forward, released September 25, 2017.
There are parts of it unclear to me, but I have attempted a very unofficial transcript. All errors are my own, for which I apologize. I have linked the podcast at the bottom and encourage everyone to listen for themselves.
@ 8:49 minutes in:
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Mr. Kesse: I do want to clarify one thing concerning the cell phones. I really want toIve gotten down to the bottom of everything and Im comfortable with what has happened with that, and if I could just straighten that out right nowcause it always seems to be a core of controversy.
And it has been with us, too, honestly.
So, if I can just straighten thewhen the cell phones were turned off and the ping study and what-have-youId liked to really straighten that out; and to maybe get people just not to look at the ping study anymore because really we just [unclear].
At any rate, when we had the ping study, we were brought into a room with the law enforcement and they explained to us basically, quote, unquote, that, really, Mr. and Mrs. Kesse, you didnt know your daughter.
She was out up here in a bad area [unclear].
So we looked at the ping study and were sitting there and none of the pings made sense to me. Im just a stupid guy. And none of them made sense to me. Well, how could she be down south and 30 seconds later she is 20 miles north. Out here and over there.
And Im like, you cant go by that. This is not good. Obviously its not good. Anybody who knowswho just looks at itknows its not good.
Well, no, this is how it was.
And within that conversation, I was told that at a certain point the phones were not powered down, but either destroyed or batteries physically taken out. And I was told the timeand I think the time was somewhere between 10:40 and10:20 and 10:40 PM on the 23rd; the night before we reported Jennifer missing.
And there has been a lot of controversy; a lot of anxiety over the years of, well, is it at night or is it in the morning? Is it at night or is it in the morning?
And up until, honestly, only probably maybe two [unclear] having a family discussion, it kind of came up again. And I think it was really because of the show. And I havefirst of all Logan wasnt even in the [unclear].
But I have a totally, I guess, different view point of that meeting than anyone else had because I remember being told directly what happened and at what time.
And it seems between that time which was [unclear] maybe even 10 years ago now that conversation took place. Maybe even 11 years, actually.
Theyve walked back on that. And everything Ive been able to ascertain even in the last couple of weeks that Ive stuck my neck outnot neckbut stuck my head out; asked some questions here, there and everywhere.
They really dont know when that phone was turned off because the ping study is absolutely no good.
I was able to actually get someone at law enforcement to get Verizon specialists to look at the ping study [unclear].
And the Verizon specialist said you cant go by this; you might as well just [unclear] it out because its obvious whats happening hereits pinging all over the place. It doesnt knowI cant tell you where that phone was from this ping study. It just doesnt.
And people have to remember, this is infantnot infancybut, you know, its only 10 years into cell phone life. There is no Facebook; texting was still the old, you had to hit one, two, or three on the buttons for a, b and c. [unclear]
There was no Google Earth [unclear]
So, over the years, honestly, something that I have always believed, comes to be just we cant believe it because the ping study is so unreliable that it is basically garbage.
So I want to get that out there and straighten that out that dont worry about the ping study accuracy [unclear]
And we talked to Horizon in the past [unclear]
You know, you knowwhich ping is right?
You know, out of maybe 11 pings that they showwhich ping is right? I cant tell you which ping is right. [unclear]
So, [unclear] has been because of that ping study. But I think its a lot of heart ache in my head and heart that the ping study is just out. We shouldnt believe anything of it.
I really wanted to get that out there because a lot of time is spent on that sometimes on line and what-have-you. Its just not worth it. Absolutely. And we cant use that.
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https://audioboom.com/posts/6334818-going-forward