Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[Skully]

Quick question Bern, do you think the accident occured in the home? If so, how do you think they managed to do away w/ the physical evidence? And if it was away from home, how did they keep Jr. from telling? Those are 2 of the things holding me back on the accident theory, along w/ body disposal. TIA! For awhile I had pages and pages in a notebook on this case. I was becoming obsessed, so I took a break, from here and from the case and I am not keeping notes anymore, it consumes my life if I do and since I have a 6yr old, I want to be consumed w/ her!

A child finding drugs, like the Aquic Pop, not sure how to spell, wouldn't leave evidence of death. Maybe on a blanket when the child died, they will release the bowels, thus the washing of the blankets; but other than that we don't know what was missing from the MH. If you walk into my home, and I removed an item, would you know? So that kind of accident could have happened. I think it did happen at home, but at some point Misty had to leave with Jr in order to either help Ron or a third party dispose of Haleigh. I really don't see Ron doing that end now, because he had her make the 911 call.

I am obsessed too, I need intervention.

 

[Skully]

I heard some slamming but I thought it was Ron venting his anger by slamming stuff, I can see my husband doing this in the same situation. I don't think he was looking for Haleigh or anything else. Since we can't "see" what is going on I have to reseve judgement on that issue.

I understand. It was just a thought I had when I heard the banging in the background. I try to envision myself coming home and what would I be doing that would lead me to my cabinets to hunt for? We see the MH and I don't see anything that he could be opening and closing in the line of doors. I the inside is after they cleaned it, and moved out. So I am looking for things that are part of the MH, but I only see the washer and dryer, the cabinets in the kitchen, the bedroom has a couple of dresser drawers. So his daughter is gone, he is hunting in cabinets. I don't know why?

 

[Flossie JMO]

I sat down, with everything that is FACT and LE released to us and did a time line. Then with that time line, I did a theory, step by step, as if I were taking this child and wrote it all up. I can "make" Ron fit into it, but it is a tight squeeze in my mind. I would post it in the theory thread, but it is two pages long. I based my theory on Motive, opportunity and Means. If you don't have one of these, it's doesn't hold up. My motive was; covering up an accidental crime, for fear of losing JR and Jail time. Has anyone else done this with the family abduction or SO theory?

bbm, yes I believe that that has been done for both, you'd have to go look for posts, I had a few more of my thoughts in theory number 2 regarding family abduction, others probably have for both

 

[Flossie JMO]

A child could hide in cupboards ime. I also think a frantic person looking for a child would yank everything open and look under and in everything they could find.

 

[Trident]

Who thinks that happened? I haven't seen that theory.

If your child isn't missing or dead, how do you start a foundation or ask for freebies?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Quick question Bern, do you think the accident occured in the home? If so, how do you think they managed to do away w/ the physical evidence? And if it was away from home, how did they keep Jr. from telling? Those are 2 of the things holding me back on the accident theory, along w/ body disposal. TIA! For awhile I had pages and pages in a notebook on this case. I was becoming obsessed, so I took a break, from here and from the case and I am not keeping notes anymore, it consumes my life if I do and since I have a 6yr old, I want to be consumed w/ her!

Shakin baby syndrome would not leave any evidence at the home, the only evidence to that would be Haleighs body.

 

[Flossie JMO]

If your child isn't missing or dead, how do you start a foundation or ask for freebies?

A child doesn't have to be dead for that to happen.

 

[crisnnan98]

I heard some slamming but I thought it was Ron venting his anger by slamming stuff, I can see my husband doing this in the same situation. I don't think he was looking for Haleigh or anything else. Since we can't "see" what is going on I have to reseve judgement on that issue.

I always felt that he was looking through the lower cabinets in the kitchen or bathroom that a small child could hide in and maybe even have fallen asleep in.

 

[Skully]

Anyway, if anyone can, sit down and actually walk yourself though the actions of that night; use things that we know. Try to be the perp, and feel the fear of coming into a home, with people inside, and see if you can envision yourself bricking the side door, it is across from another trailer too, it is a full moon and it was light outside. See if you think you need to get the cloths in the washer and dryer to make room to walk though, see if you need to turn on a light and risk being discovered. Why doesn't Haleigh scream out? See if you take the time to change her cloths? Or is Misty just wrong about everything she stated? She didn't know what Haleigh went to bed in, or wasn't paying attention and made it up? Walk yourself though all the steps and use the time line and see if you can believe her or the version of what happened that night. I think LE did this and said it not a stranger, not a SO, it is someone close to her, and Misty knows what happened. You may surprise yourself with what you find.

Did you drive there? Did you take Haleigh out by car or boat? Remember Tommy claims he was there between 9:30 and 10:00 , no one answered the door, lights out, TV off.

 

[Trident]

A child doesn't have to be dead for that to happen.

I said, "missing or dead".

It seems to be that missing/dead children are becoming a cottage industry in this country - just take a look at all the parents who are founding "foundations". The only one I see taking a real hands-on approach is Tim Miller.

My opinion only

 

[Skully]

bbm, yes I believe that that has been done for both, you'd have to go look for posts, I had a few more of my thoughts in theory number 2 regarding family abduction, others probably have for both

Did they include details of times and how they arrived, or left the scene? I read theories but until you actually assign a time to doing something and how long to drive to a place or return, it makes a difference when you do this. Once I had a theory and then tried to actually walk through it and make stuff fit; I had no idea where the flaws where.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I always felt that he was looking through the lower cabinets in the kitchen or bathroom that a small child could hide in and maybe even have fallen asleep in.

She was scared of the dark though and didn't they use that as an excuse for not looking outside and knowing it was an abduction?

 

[Skully]

I have to go; see ya all later. Hope and prayers for Haleigh today.

 

[Trident]

Anyway, if anyone can, sit down and actually walk yourself though the actions of that night; use things that we know. Try to be the perp, and feel the fear of coming into a home, with people inside, and see if you can envision yourself bricking the side door, it is across from another trailer too, it is a full moon and it was light outside. See if you think you need to get the cloths in the washer and dryer to make room to walk though, see if you need to turn on a light and risk being discovered. Why doesn't Haleigh scream out? See if you take the time to change her cloths? Or is Misty just wrong about everything she stated? She didn't know what Haleigh went to bed in, or wasn't paying attention and made it up? Walk yourself though all the steps and use the time line and see if you can believe her or the version of what happened that night. I think LE did this and said it not a stranger, not a SO, it is someone close to her, and Misty knows what happened. You may surprise yourself with what you find.

Did you drive there? Did you take Haleigh out by car or boat? Remember Tommy claims he was there between 9:30 and 10:00 , no one answered the door, lights out, TV off.

Very interesting post. I will try to do that later today before I nap. Thanks, makes as much sense as soon others theories.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I said, "missing or dead".

It seems to be that missing/dead children are becoming a cottage industry in this country - just take a look at all the parents who are founding "foundations". The only one I see taking a real hands-on approach is Tim Miller.

My opinion only

Yes I know what you posted. It seems it can easily be done for a missing child, and I believe HaLeigh is alive, and money has been made.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Did they include details of times and how they arrived, or left the scene? I read theories but until you actually assign a time to doing something and how long to drive to a place or return, it makes a difference when you do this. Once I had a theory and then tried to actually walk through it and make stuff fit; I had no idea where the flaws where.

I'm not sure but the theories are perfectly valid imo. Many of us have been going through this trying to piece together what may have happened since Feb.10

 

[curvecuti]

If your child isn't missing or dead, how do you start a foundation or ask for freebies?

I'm not sure what you mean?

KP, CS and MG started Haleighbug after Haleigh went missing, in order to raise money for searches and up the reward money, neither of those things have happened.

I replied to your original post that someone thought Haleigh had been killed in order to recieve donations. This one.

Perhaps the money issue riles some folks because it seems perfectly ludicrous that anyone would kill their child and hide the body in hopes donations would come in?

:waitasec:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

What is Shaken Baby Syndrome?
Shaken baby syndrome is a type of inflicted traumatic brain injury that happens when a baby is violently shaken. A baby has weak neck muscles and a large, heavy head. Shaking makes the fragile brain bounce back and forth inside the skull and causes bruising, swelling, and bleeding, which can lead to permanent, severe brain damage or death. The characteristic injuries of shaken baby syndrome are subdural hemorrhages (bleeding in the brain), retinal hemorrhages (bleeding in the retina), damage to the spinal cord and neck, and fractures of the ribs and bones. These injuries may not be immediately noticeable. Symptoms of shaken baby syndrome include extreme irritability, lethargy, poor feeding, breathing problems, convulsions, vomiting, and pale or bluish skin. Shaken baby injuries usually occur in children younger than 2 years old, but may be seen in children up to the age of 5.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/shakenbaby/shakenbaby.htm

Combine that with the Turners syndrome and I think that could be a real possibility of what happened to Haleigh.

 

[crisnnan98]

She was scared of the dark though and didn't they use that as an excuse for not looking outside and knowing it was an abduction?

Yes, she was scared of the dark. Brings up another question, why wouldn't you leave a night light or some other light on for her, I would. As a parent I would still check cabinets, closets and any where else a child could hide inside and then outside, just in case.

 

[curvecuti]

Yes, she was scared of the dark. Brings up another question, why wouldn't you leave a night light or some other light on for her, I would. As a parent I would still check cabinets, closets and any where else a child could hide inside and then outside, just in case.

I can't speak for Haleigh's family, but my 6yr old is scared of the dark and sleeps w/ me. The nightlite is on until I get in the bed and I turn it off, I prefer to sleep in darkness, she is fine w/ this as long as I am in there with her.