Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[debs]

elle, good posts. Say it was Tommy giving a tip early on instead of later on, wouldn't his wife Lindsay have some knowledge? Someone else having seen them? LE would want to corroborate this tip for sure.

I always believed LE was throwing that up against the wall to see if it would stick so to speak. I think LE operated on a erroneous theory from the first moments they arrived, and they are the ones that were putting that alledged tip out there to the public in hopes if their theory was correct, someone would have seen Misty that night outside of the home and report it. LE had to go public, using a "tip" as their excuse to say it to begin with.

When Tommy comes along months later and makes this claim, he still doesn't provide proof Misty wasn't there, therefore no corroboration for LE's theory concerning Misty being gone. Tommy say's "He knocked on the door and everything was dark and quiet". Which doesn't substantiate an eyewitness accounting that Misty wasn't there inside sleeping or refusing to go to the door.

IMO, I've often wondered and thought that LE was the one circulating the tip information that Misty left the home that night. To see if it would fly and come to fruition. It didn't, it bombed. Plan "B" when they got a family member into custody, they coerced Tommy into going along with the plan and theory to say he had been to the home that night along with what time he had been there, in hopes to break Misty and whoever might have been with here. Bombed again, didn't work. It took them several days to convince Tommy while incarcerated, high bond bail, to play along with the plan. Thus explaining too Lindsays long interviews too. But it failed. I don't think Misty was gone away from the home that night. We would already have some kind of proof by now.

Only fly in this ointment will be that Ronald's phone records confirm he called Tommy, Ronald has admitted calling Tommy but denies sending Tommy over to the MH.

 

[debs]

MC is/was a minor.......we are not privy to if there were any DCF reports on MC while she was younger and living at home.

Were Tommy and Joe when she made these allegations? Because neither of them have any records which would identify them as RSOs.

 

[curvecuti]

Tim M. talked to some chick at a bar that said Misty was at party that night and not at home. Maybe she was the tipster.

 

[debs]

Tim M. talked to some chick at a bar that said Misty was at party that night and not at home. Maybe she was the tipster.

That makes two people who have said Misty was not at home, then.

 

[elle1919]

It is my opinion. I believe that they would ask for anyone to confirm a tip. I am unaware whether anyone else has confirmed that Misty was out. All we know of what Tommy said is that she may not have been home, because when he knocked, no one answered and the house was dark. I would think they were remiss in their duties to not ask for anyone else to confirm the tip that (I believe) they got from Tommy very early on.

I disagree 100% The tip that LE continued to refer to that Misty was not at home on the night that Haleigh disappeared was represented as an anonymous tip called in to the tip line. It was one of the 1200 tips that LE received. If Hankjr had told LE in the first 2 weeks in the investigation he would have been the person that corroborated the tip and Misty would have had some explaining to do way back then.

Are you saying that you believe that Hankjr called in to the tip line or to Crimestoppers and reported that he thought his sister might not have been home on Feb. 9th?

 

[debs]

I did not hear him say it was an anonymous tip. I heard him say it was a tip that had been confirmed. In fact, the reporter asked specifically why THAT tip was confirmed and none of the others.

 

[elle1919]

I did not hear him say it was an anonymous tip. I heard him say it was a tip that had been confirmed. In fact, the reporter asked specifically why THAT tip was confirmed and none of the others.

I am taking care of a very busy little girl today so I have no time to go and research where the tip came from. I will though as soon as I am able. I do remember that the tip was anonymous and Law Enforcement wanted someone else to confirm the tip by coming forward. If Hankjr gave the tip why would they have needed anyone to come forward? Wouldn't they have learned all this information pertinent to the investigation long ago and said Hey Misty your Bro says he came over here and knocked and you didn't answer. Whats up with that Misty?

I will say this though. The tip was presented in this way....Misty may not have been home the night Haleigh was abducted. ...If Hankjr placed himself at the home that Haleigh was abducted from according to the Amber Alert all those months ago...I wonder why Law Enforcement never offered a LDT to old Hank. because we know he never took one according to a statement his father made in an Art Harris interview. And we still don't know if he has taken one yet! I do not believe Hankjr volunteered the information that Misty wasn't home. That doesn't even seem logical. That would have been exactly what LE wanted and the info came from a family member of Misty. Jackpot. Hankjr is a liar, and that is the nicest way I can describe him.

 

[Crosby87]

elle, good posts. Say it was Tommy giving a tip early on instead of later on, wouldn't his wife Lindsay have some knowledge? Someone else having seen them? LE would want to corroborate this tip for sure.

I always believed LE was throwing that up against the wall to see if it would stick so to speak. I think LE operated on a erroneous theory from the first moments they arrived, and they are the ones that were putting that alledged tip out there to the public in hopes if their theory was correct, someone would have seen Misty that night outside of the home and report it. LE had to go public, using a "tip" as their excuse to say it to begin with.

When Tommy comes along months later and makes this claim, he still doesn't provide proof Misty wasn't there, therefore no corroboration for LE's theory concerning Misty being gone. Tommy say's "He knocked on the door and everything was dark and quiet". Which doesn't substantiate an eyewitness accounting that Misty wasn't there inside sleeping or refusing to go to the door.

IMO, I've often wondered and thought that LE was the one circulating the tip information that Misty left the home that night. To see if it would fly and come to fruition. It didn't, it bombed. Plan "B" when they got a family member into custody, they coerced Tommy into going along with the plan and theory to say he had been to the home that night along with what time he had been there, in hopes to break Misty and whoever might have been with here. Bombed again, didn't work. It took them several days to convince Tommy while incarcerated, high bond bail, to play along with the plan. Thus explaining too Lindsays long interviews too. But it failed. I don't think Misty was gone away from the home that night. We would already have some kind of proof by now.

Members of the Croslin family are as tightlipped as LE.

Did LE interview Lisa Croslin when she was returned to Putnam County? I think Lisa requires intensive care because of all the turmoil her family is in and she is better off staying in jail where her basic needs are taken care of for her. I heard she gained 10 pounds in jail but I don't know whether this is fact or fiction. Where is the money the Croslins need for food and daily living expenses coming from? Where did Hank Sr get the money he needed for Lisa's bond? Both Hank Sr & Jr aren't working TMK so are they both on disability and receiving financial support? Is Lindsay, the LPN, working and supporting the family? TIA
Both Teresa Neves and Lisa Croslin look like they have aged 10 years over the past year.

 

[debs]

Except Ronald's phone records confirm that he called Tommy. Tommy says he then went over to the MH.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I am taking care of a very busy little girl today so I have no time to go and research where the tip came from. I will though as soon as I am able. I do remember that the tip was anonymous and Law Enforcement wanted someone else to confirm the tip by coming forward. If Hankjr gave the tip why would they have needed anyone to come forward? Wouldn't they have learned all this information pertinent to the investigation long ago and said Hey Misty your Bro says he came over here and knocked and you didn't answer. Whats up with that Misty?

I will say this though. The tip was presented in this way....Misty may not have been home the night Haleigh was abducted. ...If Hankjr placed himself at the home that Haleigh was abducted from according to the Amber Alert all those months ago...I wonder why Law Enforcement never offered a LDT to old Hank. because we know he never took one according to a statement his father made in an Art Harris interview. And we still don't know if he has taken one yet! I do not believe Hankjr volunteered the information that Misty wasn't home. That doesn't even seem logical. That would have been exactly what LE wanted and the info came from a family member of Misty. Jackpot. Hankjr is a liar, and that is the nicest way I can describe him.

I recall reading this: It's a tip we're following up on," Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office in Florida said.

He was responding to a question about a report that Misty Croslin was not home after Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings was last seen on the night of February 9.

Croslin, 17, is the girlfriend of Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

The police officer rebuffed a question about whether Croslin had changed her story about where she was when the girl disappeared, though he called the tip "a very important one."

"I don't know that you can say her story is changing," Schauland said. "I don't know if it's a true tip or not. It may not be valid."

He said Haleigh's father's alibi, that he was at work, had been confirmed.

Authorities said earlier they believe girl was abducted


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/18/florida.missing.girl/index.html

 

[debs]

Which is only to say that they need someone else to confirm it. Says to me they believe whoever gave the tip that they at least suspected Misty wasn't home, but not that they have knowledge of where she was.

I believe this tip came from Tommy. Thanks Flossie. That helped confirm it for me.

 

[texasmommy39]

I am needing a break down everyone LOL... What do you think is really going on with all of this BS.
Misty and all her consistent statements and LE and others constantly calling her story inconsistent.
Tim Miller and his agenda to claim allegiance with the Sheffield/ Griffis family.
The ignored white elephant in the room and that is the agenda Crystal Sheffield has participated in and been the front for by involving :
1.)Wayanna Kruger
who is an advocate for children who have been molested.
2.)William "Cobra" Staubs
who is a PI and Bounty Hunter who goes after really bad guys on the run and being followed with a camera for an up and coming TV opportunity not searching for a missing child.
3.)Kim Picazio
who is a Family Law attorney who specialised in divorce and child custody to handle the media and legitimize a investigation based on the rumors they prepared and provided to their own personal media specialist (Art Harris) and anyone who would go to press for a $.
4.) Establishing HBH and exploiting her missing child HaLeigh Ann Marie Cummings..........Before anyone argues this to be untrue let me remind everyone that no accountability as of yet has been made public about the non profits received donations and proceeds and how those $ have been used to search for Haleigh or any other child. And now almost 9 months later no HaLeigh, No arrests, No Suspects named.

 

[Flossie JMO]

JMO Texas, that combined with other info points me right to the Sheffield/Griffis family

 

[texasmommy39]

elle, good posts. Say it was Tommy giving a tip early on instead of later on, wouldn't his wife Lindsay have some knowledge? Someone else having seen them? LE would want to corroborate this tip for sure.

I always believed LE was throwing that up against the wall to see if it would stick so to speak. I think LE operated on a erroneous theory from the first moments they arrived, and they are the ones that were putting that alleged tip out there to the public in hopes if their theory was correct, someone would have seen Misty that night outside of the home and report it. LE had to go public, using a "tip" as their excuse to say it to begin with.

When Tommy comes along months later and makes this claim, he still doesn't provide proof Misty wasn't there, therefore no corroboration for LE's theory concerning Misty being gone. Tommy say's "He knocked on the door and everything was dark and quiet". Which doesn't substantiate an eyewitness accounting that Misty wasn't there inside sleeping or refusing to go to the door.

IMO, I've often wondered and thought that LE was the one circulating the tip information that Misty left the home that night. To see if it would fly and come to fruition. It didn't, it bombed. Plan "B" when they got a family member into custody, they coerced Tommy into going along with the plan and theory to say he had been to the home that night along with what time he had been there, in hopes to break Misty and whoever might have been with here. Bombed again, didn't work. It took them several days to convince Tommy while incarcerated, high bond bail, to play along with the plan. Thus explaining too Lindsays long interviews too. But it failed. I don't think Misty was gone away from the home that night. We would already have some kind of proof by now.

Kool Look If you take a look back you will realize that little tid bit was heard by all coming from Marie, Crystal and Johnny Sheffield around the first week or two in numerous interviews and their explanation as to how someone came into the home and took Haleigh without Misty knowing.
It is the one tid bit that was not swallowed as fact by PCSO at the time and they still seek the answer to that opinion expressed by the Sheffields/ Griffis family members. ( If it was a tip why ask for another tip on HaLeighs Birthday)
Is there something to this unconfirmed fiction? Does LE know something we don't know about this? If Misty has maintained she was there who would know if she wasn't ....... the abductor?

 

[KOOL LOOK]

JMO Texas, that combined with other info points me right to the Sheffield/Griffis family

Is it true the first mention, rumor concerning Misty having had a 3 day weedend binger came directly from Crystal? And she said she had heard it through a rumor? Now I have learned that Crystal, Marie, nay nay and Amber know each other quiet well and interact together. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Then we have them claiming Misty had sexual relations with the wbg dude, what better way to cause trouble for Misty with Ron than this? Especially since we know for a fact Misty left that myspace message on Amber (ron's ex) myspace acct that "I have your man and will have your child too" comment.

Then we have Misty telling the reporter at the airport, "That weekend was a lie". Also, I have asked before and no one answered me. How did this reporter know to be at the airport with his camera crew, set up and ready to have and give an impromptu interview with Misty? How did he even know there locations, and timing? This was during the bad road rage, undercover mama sting going on all at the same time orchestrated by Tim Miller. Crazy, :crazy: it's obvious someone tipped this reporter off to their location and timing as Misty was on her way to the new york interview with Good Morning America against her attornies wishes but guided by Donna Brock to not listen to her own attorney per Misty's attorney Mr. Fields who broke up with Misty, then learned of Donna's coersions towards Misty and again represents Misty.

 

[texasmommy39]

Is it true the first mention, rumor concerning Misty having had a 3 day weedend binger came directly from Crystal? And she said she had heard it through a rumor? Now I have learned that Crystal, Marie, nay nay and Amber know each other quiet well and interact together. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Then we have them claiming Misty had sexual relations with the wbg dude, what better way to cause trouble for Misty with Ron than this? Especially since we know for a fact Misty left that myspace message on Amber (ron's ex) myspace acct that "I have your man and will have your child too" comment.

Then we have Misty telling the reporter at the airport, "That weekend was a lie". Also, I have asked before and no one answered me. How did this reporter know to be at the airport with his camera crew, set up and ready to have and give an impromptu interview with Misty? How did he even know there locations, and timing? This was during the bad road rage, undercover mama sting going on all at the same time orchestrated by Tim Miller. Crazy, :crazy: it's obvious someone tipped this reporter off to their location and timing as Misty was on her way to the new york interview with Good Morning America against her attornies wishes but guided by Donna Brock to not listen to her own attorney per Misty's attorney Mr. Fields who broke up with Misty, then learned of Donna's coersions towards Misty and again represents Misty.

It was TJ Hart that was given the heads up and called an affiliate to get asap to airport to get the scoop. That is what I heard.

 

[texasmommy39]

I smell a trap what do yall think?
ETA: Maybe that is why no one has came forward.

 

[texasmommy39]

What if JS did take HaLeigh from Ron and Crystal? Would that make sense with all the known facts?

 

[curvecuti]

What if JS did take HaLeigh from Ron and Crystal? Would that make sense with all the known facts?

Makes sense to me and fit w/ my theory.

 

[texasmommy39]

Makes sense to me and fit w/ my theory.

You wouldn't happen to know who Marie lost custody of to JS would you?