Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #4

[doobiedoo52]

I was thinking that if Misty had help, she wouldn't throw that person under the bus or point to them as doing this, as they could in turn drag her down with them. So if Ron has this alibi of being at work, who did she not throw under the bus that would help her?

I was wondering if NayNay had a solid alibi for that night? Who else would she enlist? It has to be someone with a car, someone who came over, because there is no phone record of her calling the person to come help. So if GGMS left at 7- 7:30 someone could have dropped by. The phone was turned off at 8:30 that means in an hour something could have happened to Haleigh. JR may have been sleeping in his bed, or on the couch, or in the master bedroom. I watched the video of CS talking to him with the reporter and I don't think JR saw anything. I think he was 3 and maybe is upset at Sissy being gone.

So where was NayNay that night? Or was there a guy there we just don't know about yet? A totally unknown person we haven't thought about because his name didn't come up? Maybe from the previous weekend?

She likes Timmy and said Ron did too, and they moved away. Could he have stopped by and found Misty in a tight spot and helped her out? The van belonged to Timmy. We still don't know when that van was driven back to them in Cresent City.

Actually the van belongs to Lindsy and Tommy, not to Timmy. Timmy just borrowed it since his car was wrecked by Hank Sr getting hit. The bigger question to me is how did Misty get ahold of it? Chelsea said they borrowed it so it should have been at Tim & Chelsea's house. How did Misty end up driving it? Was she there from babysitting and just used it to pick up kids at the bus? Then someone -Tim or Chelsea or Joe would have had to bring her back to the MH in Satsuma before the AC guy got there.

 

[kiki the parrot]

It is my opinion that rc is a true narcissist. He shows it to me almost every time I see him on screen. There is one thing about them and it is the almighty dollar. The only way you can hurt a 'n" is getting some of their money. That will hurt them deeply.

But above all, true narcissists are admiration junkies. Need it. Got to have it. That's where it really hurts. So if there is anyone around who dares to reflect back to them something other than the beautiful reflection they see gazing back at themselves in the pool, they've got to go. The same women (or teens) who are used and even abused also supply their drug of choice. They are kept around for a purpose, as they are their main Supply: to feel important, powerful, admired. Thus the truck, like portraying a picture perfect wholesome family, is only a means to that end. Keeping up appearances remains the ultimate goal; preserving image, for the true narcissist, trumps even the almighty dollar IMO.

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[Emeralgem]

According to Misty’s father Hank, Misty was living freely doing as she pleased before she met Ron and Hank permitted Misty to marry Ron in the hope marriage would provide her with love and security. However I believe Ron’s sole purpose for Misty never went beyond “getting her into bed” and he treated her no more than a sexual object to have at his disposal. Nothing good came of their marriage and I am convinced it is because there was never a change in Ron’s intention towards her. Ron needed to change his heart towards Misty in order to be compatible with her and it is apparent he didn’t. IMO Misty truly despised Ron for the way he treated her and she conspired with her family to punish him and make him pay for his treatment of her.[/QUOTE]

IMHO..And as I see it, Ron C is the one who truly despises Misty.. And blames her for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh because he cannot accept any responsibility for his own actions..I''m willing to bet that both he and his family believe that Misty is the reason for whatever it is/was that Ron accidentally did to Haleigh...I believe all that praise heaped on her was to keep her from suspecting they had plans to throw her under the bus if and when need be..

 

[debs]

IMHO..And as I see it, Ron C is the one who truly despises Misty.. And blames her for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh because he cannot accept any responsibility for his own actions..I''m willing to bet that both he and his family believe that Misty is the reason for whatever it is/was that Ron accidentally did to Haleigh...JMO..

You know, I bet you're right, Eme. Looks to me like once she appeared to have a will of her own, it was discredit discredit discredit, starting with those hired LVAs and LDTs. The contradiction of her story versus his story (even when he shouldn't have had a story, like for where the kids slept). But as long as she toed his line, it was "she's the best girlfriend/wife ever."

 

[kiki the parrot]

I addressed attendance record (on other thread I think) and there are also the parents, and bus driver, who would all have to collectively be lying, and/or "confused" (?) Nah, I may be wrong but as of this point I believe she went to school--late--that day which admittedly began even as an especially stressful day. But the devil is in the details, and IMO the many stories we've heard surrounding the events of what should have been an ordinary day--from Misty returning (early that am), to Haleigh spilling on her shirt, to RC reportedly driving erratically, to driving for another outfit, to Misty walking her to class, to confusion re whether MC (or RC) picked her up, to more confusion re who stopped by Green La. and when... none of it is coincidence, they are ALL neon flashing signs, HUGE red flags. Why so much hesitancy, all the hedging? JMO

(bumping)

The devil lies in the details. If rc is lying about anything in this case, he is part of the crime.

Debate seems to be about this. Some believe he is a loving and caring father and do not believe he is anything but a grieving father. Some had never said or considered he is lying. They will not see his twisting and double speak. Others listen to him and hear he contradicts and deflects and assume he may be guilty because of this. The marriage to misty is a sword in this story. Logic cannot make sense of this. Top this off with hiring a Criminal Defense Attorney seals the deal for me.

Thought I'd heard this somewhere lol... :crazy: great minds...?

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[Crosby87]

I was thinking that if Misty had help, she wouldn't throw that person under the bus or point to them as doing this, as they could in turn drag her down with them. So if Ron has this alibi of being at work, who did she not throw under the bus that would help her?

I was wondering if NayNay had a solid alibi for that night? Who else would she enlist? It has to be someone with a car, someone who came over, because there is no phone record of her calling the person to come help. So if GGMS left at 7- 7:30 someone could have dropped by. The phone was turned off at 8:30 that means in an hour something could have happened to Haleigh. JR may have been sleeping in his bed, or on the couch, or in the master bedroom. I watched the video of CS talking to him with the reporter and I don't think JR saw anything. I think he was 3 and maybe is upset at Sissy being gone.

So where was NayNay that night? Or was there a guy there we just don't know about yet? A totally unknown person we haven't thought about because his name didn't come up? Maybe from the previous weekend?

She likes Timmy and said Ron did too, and they moved away. Could he have stopped by and found Misty in a tight spot and helped her out? The van belonged to Timmy. We still don't know when that van was driven back to them in Cresent City.

Bern, It is alleged cousin joe came and left Satsuma with a girl named Ginny or Jenny who drove a blue Cadillac. Brandon Overstreet may also have been in Satsuma in January with Joe. Cobra spoke with Brandon and Brandon admitted to bricking open doors when they committed a crime. Cobra has not spoken with Joe TMK.

 

[Skully]

I did think of NayNay as a person who could have helped her. I find it interesting they are living together now. Naynay had a lot to say about her and Ron (his hitting the kids) in that video with Cobra. When Misty did her interview with her mom at her side, she said she didn't have any real friends, but she had a few that she hung around with, but now she knew that was a mistake. She could have been referring to Naynay and Amber from that weekend. I have to listen to it again to see why she makes mention of this. What if that jail house information (Mondex and affidavit) was a rouse, to get a rise out of Naynay? What if she is the person that helped Misty and she knows it didn't happen at any party? I am just looking at who had access to a car, and Misty hasn't pointed a finger at to draw attention to someone else other than the real person.

 

[Whisperer]

Debs, help me out here. I know the report says the event occurred outside the house, but I took that to imply that they were going by misty's words of "somebody took her" and that they believe the victim and perp to be outside the house since she was not inside the house. As they were limited to two options and the witnesses did not see any crime in the house nor the victim in the house, they were left with outside as their option, no?

 

[ladonna]

I am having a hard time with placing rc at the scene of the crime, I will admit that. His behavior sends off so many red flags that it appears he must fit in this somehow. R & M are very odd people, to say the least. How he fits in is still a mystery. I have to keep adjusting ideas. The one thing that is clear to me is rc wants to protect himself and keep JR, no matter what costs. This ego/image thing could be an ongoing ritual he has always done. Clearly, he is immature. I believe his frame of reference is JR and custody of him.

It is like it is a game and he has to win at any cost. His motive is to present an image of a normal loving family. That image is difficult for him with the choices he has made. All the talk from day one was about the loving, caring things misty and ron do and how it is "magical". That word always throws me when it is used to describe a relationship. TN boasting of misty w/o any suspicion was of concern for me. I see her as an extremely controlling woman. RC is a controlling man/child. I am guessing they have fought their entire lives. RC has two powerful women laying the law down to him at all times. IMO, he doesn't have too much he can control and takes weaker/damaged/needy (pick a word) girls to have something to control in his life. The children also fill his need for control and I guess that is a big part of why he can't let JR go.

Somehow between his confusing explanations and double speak, he tries to deflect suspicion off of him. His behavior is odd. I see him as paranoid. It would be good to study him more but I doubt we will get that opportunity. He is hiding behind his attorney.

The question I have is why would Ron want to *keep Junior*. He lately since Haleigh went missing hasnn't seemed that interested in his well being. Is it just to have leevarge over Crystal still, as he can't get over being scorned by her. Payback, his he that deep?

 

[doobiedoo52]

The question I have is why would Ron want to *keep Junior*. He lately since Haleigh went missing hasnn't seemed that interested in his well being. Is it just to have leevarge over Crystal still, as he can't get over being scorned by her. Payback, his he that deep?

LOL I don't see him being that deep, but I do see him using it for leverage--bingo on that part!

 

[kiki the parrot]

Debs, help me out here. I know the report says the event occurred outside the house, but I took that to imply that they were going by misty's words of "somebody took her" and that they believe the victim and perp to be outside the house since she was not inside the house. As they were limited to two options and the witnesses did not see any crime in the house nor the victim in the house, they were left with outside as their option, no?

Not debs, but I took it to mean w/e the crime might be, the home was not the scene of that crime. If Haleigh was killed accidentally, then presumably they found no evidence of it having occurred inside the mh. Likewise if one believes Haleigh was "stole," their statement would seem to rule out the notion she was taken from 202. (And, since I don't believe that LE thinks she was "stole" from anywhere else either it's logically another reason to believe this isn't being investigated as an abduction but that's JMO.) But this indicates to me that w/e happened they believe took place somewhere other than 202. JM2 :twocents:

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[Crosby87]

What is TN's opinion of Crystal Sheffield? TIA

 

[Skully]

I think I need my own thread called things that bother me....

If Ron was talking to Misty at 8pm or 8:30 and they were fighting over her babysitting, he never said anything like he heard the kids in the background, she put the kids on the phone so I could say good night. These are just things that cross my mind, the things we don't hear.

We didn't hear him go off on her on the 911 call about not picking up the phone all night, or where were you, Tommy beat on the door, Did you leave the kids alone, I couldn't get you.... things like that.

The person goes in and isn't worried that Jr will see him/her or that Misty will wake up and see them. Why not? Even if you know they are home and you are bold enough to go in to the home occupied, Jr and Misty have eyes, they could wake and see you. So why is this person so unconcerned about that? Because no one came in. The first thing a kidnapper would do, is make sure no one see them, or ID them. The kids taken from homes were not in the same room as two other people. Most of these kids were in a room of there own and the kidnapper came in through the window. Some the door, but went into the kids room. They had to have a car or truck, they brought their own brick and took a child out, they didn't do it on foot. Who helped Misty that night?

 

[kiki the parrot]

I think I need my own thread called things that bother me...

If Ron was talking to Misty at 8pm or 8:30 and they were fighting over her babysitting, he never said anything like he heard the kids in the background, she put the kids on the phone so I could say good night. These are just things that cross my mind, the things we don't hear.

We didn't hear him go off on her on the 911 call about not picking up the phone all night, or where were you, Tommy beat on the door, Did you leave the kids alone, I couldn't get you.... things like that.

The person goes in and isn't worried that Jr will see him/her or that Misty will wake up and see them. Why not? Even if you know they are home and you are bold enough to go in to the home occupied, Jr and Misty have eyes, they could wake and see you. So why is this person so unconcerned about that? Because no one came in. The first thing a kidnapper would do, is make sure no one see them, or ID them. The kids taken from homes were not in the same room as two other people. Most of these kids were in a room of there own and the kidnapper came in through the window. Some the door, but went into the kids room. They had to have a car or truck, they brought their own brick and took a child out, they didn't do it on foot. Who helped Misty that night?

(bbm) Hey bern, as I said myself some time back, Things That Make Ya Go Hmm would require a forum all their own too...

Agree that no one came in. But brick only staged to suggest an abduction at 202. Anything based upon this false premise is, therefore, IMO a bunny trail.

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[Whisperer]

Oh, Ladonna, I certainly didn't mean to imply that rc is deep. Quite the opposite.

I was just doing a very poor job of trying to understand his psyche...lol

I agree with that he kept/keeping jr is for other reasons than an abiding love, nurturing and parenting motive. It is more like to show CS he can do it and secretly I think he did it because he knew he would wind up in jail for not paying child support to her (SO, better her than him was his rationalization). It is a power move and a money move.

RC wants what he wants and he appears to get it. When is his train going to come in?

 

[Whisperer]

Hi kiki. Debs and I were referring to the incident report. The responding officers write a synopsis of who, what, where and when. They do not do any investigation. They listen to what is said about the crime. They cannot make judment calls and they will not investigate. A follow up team will do that. We have not seen the investigative report. There was a check box on the form that asked if crime occured in the residence or out of the residence. It was checked "outside".

I assumed because "A missing Child was reported" so the crime is outside. Debs sees it as they knew the crime did not occur inside because they checked the "outside" box. She has a valid point.

I think the answer may be to remember this is not an investigative report we are looking at. The one who writes the report cannot make assumptions or guess at anything. He may have just chosen that box because the witness said she was missing and was not inside. These reports do not have enough boxes....lol

 

[debs]

Whisp, I think they knew from the jump that Haleigh wasn't in that house. We also have TM stating Ronald told him that the bed hadn't been slept in that night, even though Misty told them they were in the bed together. Other things make LE state Misty's statement is filled with inconsistencies. All combined....I'm just sayin'

 

[kiki the parrot]

Makes me seriously question whether there is any evidence that, following that am, Haleigh ever returned or was ever back at the mh again at all. Which is likely why LE says evidence contradicts the stories given to them. Yes, there was one pair of her shoes at mh, yet we have only RC (MC, or family) to say she had just one pair (my daughter this age has numerous pairs and we live on one limited income). What proof is there it's actually the same shoes Haleigh wore to school that day. LE may know for a fact eg that the ones produced were not worn anytime recently. Or that no food was ever prepared there that evening. Or that water in the pipes (temp of the dryer, etc) indicated use only minutes before LE's arrival and besides

...where is Haleigh's backpack?

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[Whisperer]

Which reminds me....where was her backpack?
AND why wasn't jr heard in the background or even mentioned by RC. He was out in the front waiting for mommy to come, unable to help LE, misty was talking to LE. Where was jr? Misty met rc at the door...no jr. She just left him there, knowing a stranger took his sister. That is very strange.

 

[txsvicki]

My only question about the crime happening outside of the trailer is why all the blanket washing and taking the one off the window plus making a big deal of cleaning up until bedtime? I guess Misty could have really left her blanket in a van then taken the kids with her and the two other blankets to cover with, but why the cleaning and washing....and why wasn't Haleigh's blanket taken with her when abducted ( or was it).