Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #5

[lorann]

snipped by me:
With a $35,000 reward to be had, if any of the family members had info, they would talk if they weren't involved. This money is like a million dollars to them, I bet.

BBM I agree with the other things you said but this stands out big time. At a time when nobody in MC's family can afford socks, snacks, phone calls - her parents have nowhere to go, or wheels to take them there - I would think that $35,000 would look larger each day.

 

[Donjeta]

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BBM I agree with the other things you said but this stands out big time. At a time when nobody in MC's family can afford socks, snacks, phone calls - her parents have nowhere to go, or wheels to take them there - I would think that $35,000 would look larger each day.

Remind me, what were the conditions of the reward? Was it for a live Haleigh or information leading to an arrest or what?

 

[leslie1960]

bbm~
Whisperer, interesting that you would mention this. That statement/comment whatever one wants to call it has bothered me ever since the first time Ron said it. I was just re-watching the clip today and even now, almost one year later..I still find it one of the oddest things he could have said. Your child is missing and you have NO idea what has become of her. When asked about HaLeigh, Ronald (in between his falling to the ground theatrics) is.starts telling about how well behaved and well mannered she . :waitasec: WHERE does that come from?! He doesn't start by saying how sweet and loving she is, etc....but about her manners?! I can't imagine what kind of mindset a parent would have for that to be the first thing out of their mouths...Very Strange, imo..

BBM

That's bothered me from the start too. Is that a way of distancing himself from the notion that her "disappearance" was the result of corporal punishment gone too far? I.e., "She is well-behaved and well-mannered - I'd have had no reason to physically discipline her."

Very strange INDEED!

 

[periwinkleblue]

bbm~
Whisperer, interesting that you would mention this. That statement/comment whatever one wants to call it has bothered me ever since the first time Ron said it. I was just re-watching the clip today and even now, almost one year later..I still find it one of the oddest things he could have said. Your child is missing and you have NO idea what has become of her. When asked about HaLeigh, Ronald (in between his falling to the ground theatrics) starts telling about how well behaved and well mannered she is.. :waitasec: WHERE does that come from?! He doesn't start by saying how sweet and loving she is, etc....but about her manners?! I can't imagine what kind of mindset a parent would have for that to be the first thing out of their mouths...Very Strange, imo..

I believe that what ever happened to Haleigh had to do with RC's temper. He is very controlled now in what he says because he knows if something sets him off he loses all control.

Therefore, from what we've heard about the bus stop activity, RC speeding, etc. I think that maybe RC was furious at Misty and when they got to the MH he was screaming at Misty while the kids were right there, totally lost all control......maybe Haleigh tried to interupt, maybe even "politely" and he took his anger out on her or backhanded her and she fell, hitting her head.

This is one of the only scenarios that I can come up with where RC and Misty would be covering for each other. RC has made Misty feel so guilty because her behavior from the previous days has "caused" this to happen. He tells her that because you were here and "caused" this you are just as guilty as I am.

Problem with this, where was Jr.? Was he in the other room sleeping? Did he hear a fight? And of course, why wouldn't they call 911? I do think that whatever happened, it was obvious that they would be blamed for it and it was too late anyway. Or possibly a closed head injury and little Haleigh never woke up. Either way, they are both responsible!

 

[Beatrice]

Why aren't Hank Sr/Lisa being looked at as the "masterminds" behind this family drug use/dealings? Doesn't it all start with them obtaining the pills?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5756412.php

 

[SoSueMe]

At least we have some background now that shows rc is abusive. His GMA stated that he was very rude and had no manners. He started threatening people on the outside right out of high school.

Funny, because the first thing out of rc's mouth on the day of the crime was how well behaved and well-mannered his little girl was. He said, "She was the most well-mannered child I've ever had". Those words sent chills down my spine. Immediately I processed he beat her to get that behavior. She certainly could not have got it from being around him. He stressed that point again. It is obvious to me that he gave out corporal punishment to these kids. The days Haleigh was absent could have been days the marks were still showing. He is a mean one, he is. I imagine Misty had seen this often and continued the pattern. I am so disgusted with typing this. Is there ever going to be anyone to speak up for Haleigh?

With a $35,000 reward to be had, if any of the family members had info, they would talk if they weren't involved. This money is like a million dollars to them, I bet.

Whisper, that statement about Haleigh being so well-behaved bothered me too, but not until I heard GGMS say she told Haleigh to behave that night. This was upon her revelation 9 days after Haleigh went missing, that she had gone to the MH that night to deliver laundry. Once I heard GGMS say that, it reminded me of Ron's statement. Then, I thought it was very odd.

I really don't think it would be something you would normally say to a child who is so well-behaved all the time. I would think differently if everyone hadn't made such a big deal in their statements about just how well-behaved Haleigh was. I mean, who was asking that type of question anyway? What? Like Haleigh would be blamed for her disappearance because she was an unruly child? No, they offered up this information.

 

[bessie]

Why aren't Hank Sr/Lisa being looked at as the "masterminds" behind this family drug use/dealings? Doesn't it all start with them obtaining the pills?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5756412.php

According to the incident reports, the drugs were obtained from various locations and presumably various sources. There is nothing in the reports that would implicate mom and dad croslin in the transactions that led to the arrests. That's not to say Hank, Sr does not have problems of his own.

What I find curious is that the "sources" have not been arrested. Seems we would've heard if they were. In a couple of the transactions, the uc was with misty, et al when the drugs were picked up from residences. le has the addresses and the registration of the truck that delivered drugs to tommy in the dec 22nd transaction. :waitasec:

 

[dodie20]

One of the few tidbits that LE has actually offered up, is that they have proof that Misty wasn't @ home that night. So, I'm gonna accept that as a fact. How does it fit into a theory? Ron tried to call her many times & also called Tommy. Do you think she was with Tommy? Where was her other brother? @ Tommy's or somewhere else? If Ron found out Misty wasn't @ home & had left the kids, what do you think he did? Went home & took his frustration out on Haleigh? Rounded up Misty for the 911 call? Who all was in on the disposal & cover-up? Did he then go to that store to create an alibi? Misty sounded really drugged up in that call-maybe she was in the middle of partying when this all happened. The fact that LE has never verified Ron's actual work hours, breaks, etc...tells me that they're keeping them mum for a reason.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Why aren't Hank Sr/Lisa being looked at as the "masterminds" behind this family drug use/dealings? Doesn't it all start with them obtaining the pills?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5756412.php

Looking at their back ground and Ron's it's like comparing Apples to Meat.
I am not to sure about Hank Sr. and the Dr. shopping I want to see more evidence. I am not saying he is not guilty, but know he was hurt really bad last year (I know what it feels like to be hurt), and has family that likes to take his drugs from what it sounds like. Maybe he didn't want to snitch on the other? Maybe he did? Maybe he was desperate to try and bring in money to be able to put a roof over his head and food on the table..We really don't know. Not that any of the above are excuses.

But we do know Ron has had long history with drugs and violence, per court records and his own grandmother. Just a thought.

 

[elle1919]

If Tommy "did it", how do you explain Ron and Misty's changing stories? Do they have any reason to cover for Tommy - especially RC? Did Tommy make them move out of the trailer into a tent and wonder if their phones were bugged? Tommy being the perp doesn't answer all the weirdness, shifting stories, and manipulation out of the Cummings clan. People may want it to "appear" Tommy is guilty, but I see too much evidence that "others" were involved.

My opinion only

Ronalds changing story? What story and how did it change? He continuously provided, I was at work, and LE stated that he was indeed at work. We have yet to hear if he has lied or changed anything up regarding Haleigh's disappearance. He sure as heck didn't support TC and I don't believe that he would ever cover for him.

I remember back now to the first fight over at GGS house after which Misty went and took out the TRO on her bro. It was said that RC told Tommy to stop calling .....the Croslin's were continuously calling, my guess is to find out if Misty was remembering anything from the night Haleigh went missing. I am starting to believe that misty might not remember anything from that night but once she cleans up.....she might.

 

[seekjustice]

Thinking about all that went on that weekend of Misty's alleged 3 day binge. Ron had to have been furious I can't imagine what his temper was like those days (breaks my heart for Haleigh and Jr.) What I haven't been able to reconcile is TN supposedly offering to PAY Misty to watch the kids. This being after the drugs, the fights, etc. it makes not one bit of sense. Unless we go this direction:

1. GGM now states Misty didn't show up until Ron had to go to work. If this is the case, then what happened with Haleigh prior to Misty showing up?

2. TN calls Misty, going as far as to offer to pay her....surely if TN couldn't watch the kids she could have found someone more fit to do so. Why MISTY???

I think that TN wanted Misty there that night and it was NOT because she trusted her to be the best caretaker for her grandbabies. Whatever happened to Haleigh IMO happened earlier in the day under Ronald's care (or lack thereof) and Misty was used by the Cummings. I believe she was purposefully planted there that night.

What did Misty gain in return? The sense of family/belonging? A ring and a wedding? The feeling of importance for holding a family secret???

I don't believe Haleigh was at the MH at all that night and Jr did not "show up" until after the 911 call. JMO.

 

[dodie20]

Thinking about all that went on that weekend of Misty's alleged 3 day binge. Ron had to have been furious I can't imagine what his temper was like those days (breaks my heart for Haleigh and Jr.) What I haven't been able to reconcile is TN supposedly offering to PAY Misty to watch the kids. This being after the drugs, the fights, etc. it makes not one bit of sense. Unless we go this direction:

1. GGM now states Misty didn't show up until Ron had to go to work. If this is the case, then what happened with Haleigh prior to Misty showing up?

2. TN calls Misty, going as far as to offer to pay her....surely if TN couldn't watch the kids she could have found someone more fit to do so. Why MISTY???

I think that TN wanted Misty there that night and it was NOT because she trusted her to be the best caretaker for her grandbabies. Whatever happened to Haleigh IMO happened earlier in the day under Ronald's care (or lack thereof) and Misty was used by the Cummings. I believe she was purposefully planted there that night.

What did Misty gain in return? The sense of family/belonging? A ring and a wedding? The feeling of importance for holding a family secret???

I don't believe Haleigh was at the MH at all that night and Jr did not "show up" until after the 911 call. JMO.

That's actually a very interesting theory, but I think some witnesses claim Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, but your theory does explain why we can't hear Jr. on the 911.

 

[suspicious1]

Thinking about all that went on that weekend of Misty's alleged 3 day binge. Ron had to have been furious I can't imagine what his temper was like those days (breaks my heart for Haleigh and Jr.) What I haven't been able to reconcile is TN supposedly offering to PAY Misty to watch the kids. This being after the drugs, the fights, etc. it makes not one bit of sense. Unless we go this direction:

1. GGM now states Misty didn't show up until Ron had to go to work. If this is the case, then what happened with Haleigh prior to Misty showing up?

2. TN calls Misty, going as far as to offer to pay her....surely if TN couldn't watch the kids she could have found someone more fit to do so. Why MISTY???

I think that TN wanted Misty there that night and it was NOT because she trusted her to be the best caretaker for her grandbabies. Whatever happened to Haleigh IMO happened earlier in the day under Ronald's care (or lack thereof) and Misty was used by the Cummings. I believe she was purposefully planted there that night.

What did Misty gain in return? The sense of family/belonging? A ring and a wedding? The feeling of importance for holding a family secret???

I don't believe Haleigh was at the MH at all that night and Jr did not "show up" until after the 911 call. JMO.

That's what I have been thinking about since day one. Just to add....I think Misty was told about what happened to Haleigh after the fact and that's why she failed those questions on her LDTs. That's why TN/GMS praised Misty in the beginning....Misty followed the script...that's why LE considers Misty the "KEY".....Misty is the weak link in the circle.

I'm thinking that TN/Ron tried all they could to get Misty back and Misty walked right into this mess. They offered her sex and money (and probably a free "high") to get Misty back to that mh. Ron-"bring a condom".......TN-"I'll pay you to babysit". All part of the plan..JMO

TN stated that Misty and Ron were up all night sunday night talking....We heard that Misty called WBG at around 4a in the morning sunday night......Do you think that Misty would call another guy while she was in the mh with Ron? I don't think so. We heard the story about going to GMS monday morning to get clothes (which I think is BS).....Now we hear from GMS that Misty didn't show up to the mh until it was time for Ron to go work (slip of the tongue?). We don't know what time Ron went to work but I'm thinking it was late afternoon 5pm-ish. That would explain why Hank and the kids were there around 5pm-ish....was he there to drop her off? Remember Misty's statement "haleigh was riding her bike and doing fine". When I first heard her say that I thought, "would there be a reason why she wouldn't be doing fine?" Now I wonder if there really was a reason that she wouldn't be doing fine...maybe at about 7pm Haleigh took a turn for the worse and that's why GMS (and probably TN too) felt the need to go to the mh with a nurse. I think Misty may have left the mh but she was with GMS/TN/Aunt Lisa and that's why when Tommy went to the mh around 10p Misty was not there.

 

[suspicious1]

I'm also thinking that the A/C man was cleared so fast because he was not at the mh at all that day. Why would Misty lie about it, if that's true? Was she, in her own little way, trying to throw someone else into the mix, to cast the blame? Misty couldn't even give accurate details of the visit from the A/C man. Either he wasn't there or he was not there for the reasons given.

My point is this: The events of that day were fabricated from the beginning not after Ron went to work. Why the need to lie about the WHOLE day? I mean really, you would think that someone may lie about the hours in question but not the WHOLE day. Something went on earlier in that day that no one wants to talk about, and I want to know why? And if Misty didn't come back to that mh until Ron had to go to work that tells me that something happened to Haleigh on his watch but it escalated on Misty's watch. does that make sense? That would also mean that GMS account of being at the mh seeing Haleigh alive and well at 7pm-ish...was BS. Why would SHE lie? To cover for Misty? I doubt it...To cover for Ron? Yes, sir. Why the need to cover for Ron if he was at work when something happened? IMO, because he was not at work when something happened to Haleigh and they know this.

Oh and don't forget GMS telling Ron "to watch what says" because there is a snitch in jail with him.
Misty's family just want her to tell the truth.

Speak volumes to me.

 

[LFlorida]

That's actually a very interesting theory, but I think some witnesses claim Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, but your theory does explain why we can't hear Jr. on the 911.

And these witnesses are from what source? The pd media specialist?

Have we seen interviews with these witnesses? Audio + video? Do these witnesses state which day they are talking about?

I think seekjustice is on the right track. That's the only reason Misty was begged to come babysit Monday night - to take the fall for whatever tragedy had befallen Haleigh earlier on Monday or over the weekend.

btw - it didn't werk real well because PCSO knew from Day 1 [or perhaps Day 2] that Misty didn't do it. Unfortunately, Misty doesn't know what did happen, so I don't think there is any truth she can tell.

 

[yosande]

I'm aware DFS was involved in this instances however Ron said he was going to jail if HaLeigh missed anymore school and his comment concerns me if it's true. I don't believe the school was threatening to send Ron to jail over HaLeigh's attendance at school. Has anyone heard of a parent being sent to jail because their children missed too much school? Even if this law is in effect, I think the school would offer workable solutions and Ron misunderstood them.

I suppose Crystal didn't ask Ron to explain what he meant when she told him she wanted to take HaLeigh out of school early. If he felt this way days before HaLeigh went missing, I am afraid Ron might have made his daughter disappear to get them off his back especially if he was dealing drugs.

I don't know about children that young, but older children in high school, the parents get charged a fine, a hugh fine, and if the fine isn't paid, their driver's license gets suspended. That's in the state that I live in. I'm sure each is different.

For younger children, the recourse could be different, but removing children from the home would be a possibility if the parents are seperated, and the other parent has a better record with educaton enrollment with other children living in their home, perhaps. moo

 

[Baznme]

So, we're on a different track now? Haleigh wasn't in school that Monday? She didn't get off the bus at all? That's all been established?

 

[elle1919]

So, we're on a different track now? Haleigh wasn't in school that Monday? She didn't get off the bus at all? That's all been established?

No, Haleigh was in school and rode the bus according to eyewitnesses, I will try to go back and find LE corroboration of the facts though, I lose track of the lies and the truth in this case. Art Harris can't always be quoted as fact in my opinion, but I realize there were a few months there where he was almost alone in his reporting on Haleigh so for that I am grateful at least.

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

im sure this has been discussed many times over but has it ever came to light that Misty's phone was off to her her knowlege that pings can be tracked. It may not have been something she knew but I'm pretty sure Tommy or his wife are bright euf to even figure that out. I think Lyndsey is the one that could be cracked, see she didn't tell Tommy that she gave the cops the stolen stuff, she is playing both sides which i'm sure I would too, to save myself and my children.

I think the phone was shut off during the time to please forgive me, dispose of the baby. Misty, her brother Tommy and Lyndsey all know in detail what occurred that night. Is Ron a complete piece of work, you betcha but I am really begining to believe he doesn't know what happened to his baby. He has done many many horrible things in his life but he fought Crystal for those babies and I just really can't see it being done just not to pay child support. I don't like the man, but I see honest and pure love for his kids that he wouldn't take part in harming them, physically I mean because the emotional abuse these kids endured is damage enough.

I don't know this case bewilders me every single day, just when I think something is beginning to make sense, some other crazy information gets leaked or put out, whatever. This is stuff movies are made of can all of this nonsense really be fiction, a big well thought out plan that THESE FAMILIES BECAME A PART OF.

 

[gramof5]

new here..this may be old news but..has anyone seen the article that had been posted on someone's photobucket account..it was sorta like a tip. It stated that it was a known fact that where RC worked, the guards were paid to "not" notice if someone left work without clocking out? Saw it awhile back, sorry can't remember more details. The climate in that area seems to be you can get anything you pay for. Watching with interest.. hoping you all can help find Haleigh!