Theories on what happened to Haleigh

[kikid]

Well Ron would be left out as Haliegh was seen at 7pm on the night she vanished, Ron was at work until 3 am , he didn't kill Haliegh.

a child can die hours later of injuries sustained from a blow to the head or internal injuries. Especially in the case of a blow to the head & concussion.

 

[Kat]

Thank you everyone for suspending emotions with me and looking at what we know with an unbiased eye.

I am finding all your comments interesting! :blowkiss: Thank you for humoring me

 

[AuburnJenn]

Last night on GVS, I picked up something quickly. GVS was walking down the street with Ron's mother. She asked her what time Ron called to advise Haleigh was missing. Grandma said "about 3:26 or 3:27." She then said she lives 10-15 miles away from the trailer. GVS then asked her what time she got to the trailer. Grandma said "3:30."

How is that possible to drive 15 miles in 3 minutes? Maybe this isn't a huge deal, but it keeps with the theme that no ones' stories add up or make much sense.

The hoax theory is one that I have strongly considered as well. Both families' body language is totally off, IMO. Last night on GVS, Ron's mother seemed incredibly fake in her emotions. The tears seemed fake, the facial expressions seemed forced. Even GVS didn't seem caught up in what she had to say. The families know what happened IMO.

 

[kidz110]

Sorry this is so long. This is my theory - a big hoax.

LaLaw2000, I snipped your post due to space, but I did enjoy reading it. (I enjoy all your posts) I'll tell you why you could easily persuade me. First, because this was one of my first concerns. I had just written a reply to the Mark Klass thread on another case mentioning my concerns that missing children could start to look like a lottery ticket to some. Second, I was surprised at how quickly the talk of donations began. I will admit I never followed cases as closely as I've followed this case and "the other one", but I don't recall any talk of donations in other cases. Maybe I missed it. Third, not sure I understand the staying in tents. Both Crystal and RC have family in that town. Again, can't think of another case where people didn't stay in the home or, if it was taped off, stayed with family or friends. Did they think it would make them look more needy? I had put the hoax idea aside until yesterday when I read a news report about the trailer being accessible to the family again. TN was quoted as saying, "If he has enough money, he'll have the movers come and move the thing..." Sorry, maybe I've just become too suspicious after following the Anthonys, but it bothered me the way she had to add that about the money.
I have strong opinions about certain players in this case, but I still can't come to a firm decision about what happened. I also have strong opinions about selling t-shirts and bracelets when a child has been abducted. Again, don't remember this in cases before Caylee's case and I just am uncomfortable with the direction these cases seem to be going in. Do you know what I mean?
Anyway, I respect your opinion on this and always look forward to your insight.

 

[tehcloser]

LaLaw2000, I snipped your post due to space, but I did enjoy reading it. (I enjoy all your posts) I'll tell you why you could easily persuade me. First, because this was one of my first concerns. I had just written a reply to the Mark Klass thread on another case mentioning my concerns that missing children could start to look like a lottery ticket to some. Second, I was surprised at how quickly the talk of donations began. I will admit I never followed cases as closely as I've followed this case and "the other one", but I don't recall any talk of donations in other cases. Maybe I missed it. Third, not sure I understand the staying in tents. Both Crystal and RC have family in that town. Again, can't think of another case where people didn't stay in the home or, if it was taped off, stayed with family or friends. Did they think it would make them look more needy? I had put the hoax idea aside until yesterday when I read a news report about the trailer being accessible to the family again. TN was quoted as saying, "If he has enough money, he'll have the movers come and move the thing..." Sorry, maybe I've just become too suspicious after following the Anthonys, but it bothered me the way she had to add that about the money.
I have strong opinions about certain players in this case, but I still can't come to a firm decision about what happened. I also have strong opinions about selling t-shirts and bracelets when a child has been abducted. Again, don't remember this in cases before Caylee's case and I just am uncomfortable with the direction these cases seem to be going in. Do you know what I mean?
Anyway, I respect your opinion on this and always look forward to your insight.

The day that Ron and his Mom called the presser for 1pm...and all it was for basically was to introduce the funeral home guy who told about donations...I thought here we go again........

 

[aprilshowers]

I've always thought it was strange, the way Missy and Ron were walking calmly along, smoking cigarettes ... they seemed as relaxed as can be.

 

[Indigo]

Thank you everyone for suspending emotions with me and looking at what we know with an unbiased eye.

I am finding all your comments interesting! :blowkiss: Thank you for humoring me

Suspending emotions. That's the hardest part of sleuthing for me. The thought/fear that my words and opinions could possibly hurt an innocent person always kills me. I may not be cut out for this. lol.

 

[myshell]

okay...just thinkin out loud ;-) ...I jus watched someone put trash in a dumpster jus like the one they searched...IF H was ever in there, I think it would have had to be a man that did it becuz that is really high up to lift something. but then again people r stronger when adrenaline is pumping

 

[myshell]

I also don't think LE should have been leaning on the dumpster...there could have been fibers from her blanket or her dna (hair...) on the sides of the dumpster. JMO

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hmmm - new thought. What if Misty put the kids to bed on two different mattresses. She has someone over. They are partying. Haleigh wets the bed and gets up. She sees Misty and the friend. Misty is drugged/drunk and angry. She hits Haleigh too hard. They have to dispose of her. The other person (male or female but I lean toward male) takes Haleigh's body and disposes of her. Misty does not want Ron to know she had anybody there. Haleigh would tell.

I have had this same theory from the beginning. It gives a motive and also gives Misty an element of truth when stating she doesn't know what happened to Haleigh. I do feel she is afraid of RC's big bad temper. I know I would be...:bang:

This leads me to speculate what would Misty do if 'caught' in this situation. If she had a visitor then whoever this person is could have been the one who harmed Hayleigh. I don't feel she would fess up to RC either way. JMHO

OT I saw footage on HLN of Misty smoking a cigarette. Isn't she only 17 and isn't that against the law in FL? Just curious as it doesn't portray a very nice impression. I am a smoker myself and hate to see young these young people falling victim to a habit that is sooo difficult to give up.:blowkiss:

 

[dunlurken]

First impressions are the best! As Ron said "How the *advertiser censored** you let my daughter get stole B****?"

Misty left the trailer.

 

[Kat]

I also don't think LE should have been leaning on the dumpster...there could have been fibers from her blanket or her dna (hair...) on the sides of the dumpster. JMO

myshell, your post brought to mind a comment I heard last night on JVM that was made by a CPT from the Putnam County Sheriffs office, I'm going to post the relevent statement on that thread.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Do you think she is safe?

RJAOO, I really do not know what I think on that order. This case has advanced to the point that Haleigh would now be a real liability to whoever has her. I honestly DO think, tho, that if Haleigh is found deceased that it will be staged to look as if it were an abduction.

It is entirely possible that Haleigh is hidden out in a remote area away from Satsuma, and maybe out of Florida. She could be in Arizona where K. Savage is for all we know, but not at K. Savage's home. If she is alive, then she will not be seen in public.

To answer your question - I have no idea if she is safe or not. I just hope and pray that she is.

 

[Kat]

I am also going to post what the CPT said about Ron's alibi on Rons' thread so we don't go Off Topic here.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Last night on GVS, I picked up something quickly. GVS was walking down the street with Ron's mother. She asked her what time Ron called to advise Haleigh was missing. Grandma said "about 3:26 or 3:27." She then said she lives 10-15 miles away from the trailer. GVS then asked her what time she got to the trailer. Grandma said "3:30."

How is that possible to drive 15 miles in 3 minutes? Maybe this isn't a huge deal, but it keeps with the theme that no ones' stories add up or make much sense.

The hoax theory is one that I have strongly considered as well. Both families' body language is totally off, IMO. Last night on GVS, Ron's mother seemed incredibly fake in her emotions. The tears seemed fake, the facial expressions seemed forced. Even GVS didn't seem caught up in what she had to say. The families know what happened IMO.

AuburnJenn, I noticed that also and almost included it in my post. No way could anyone drive 15 miles in three minutes! Maybe she just did not realize her mistake in saying that. I am sure someone has pointed that out to her today. She awoke from sleep and got dressed, then drove over.

Kids have been known to go to a closet and curl up with their favorite blanket. My youngest daughter did that one time. She was probably 4 years old or so. I knew she was in the house somewhere, tho, because the burglar alarm was on. I would not let her kitty sleep with her, and found she and kitty curled up asleep in her closet with her blanket. And I mean twin size blanket from her bed. The reason I did not panic is because the burglar alarm was on.

BUT, what bothers me is the time frame involved. Initially, IIRC, Ronald said he got home at 3:27 AM. Now, that is pretty precise. He did not say around 3:30 or 3:20, or even 3:25. He said 3:27 AM. Now he gets home, Misty tells him that Haleigh is missing, he does not spend much time looking around the house before calling LE. The 911 call was several minutes long. So he calls his Mom @ 3:26 or 7? Does not fit.

 

[LaLaw2000]

LaLaw2000, I snipped your post due to space, but I did enjoy reading it. (I enjoy all your posts) I'll tell you why you could easily persuade me. First, because this was one of my first concerns. I had just written a reply to the Mark Klass thread on another case mentioning my concerns that missing children could start to look like a lottery ticket to some. Second, I was surprised at how quickly the talk of donations began. I will admit I never followed cases as closely as I've followed this case and "the other one", but I don't recall any talk of donations in other cases. Maybe I missed it. Third, not sure I understand the staying in tents. Both Crystal and RC have family in that town. Again, can't think of another case where people didn't stay in the home or, if it was taped off, stayed with family or friends. Did they think it would make them look more needy? I had put the hoax idea aside until yesterday when I read a news report about the trailer being accessible to the family again. TN was quoted as saying, "If he has enough money, he'll have the movers come and move the thing..." Sorry, maybe I've just become too suspicious after following the Anthonys, but it bothered me the way she had to add that about the money.
I have strong opinions about certain players in this case, but I still can't come to a firm decision about what happened. I also have strong opinions about selling t-shirts and bracelets when a child has been abducted. Again, don't remember this in cases before Caylee's case and I just am uncomfortable with the direction these cases seem to be going in. Do you know what I mean?
Anyway, I respect your opinion on this and always look forward to your insight.

Thank you so much, kidz110! I enjoy your posts also!

I know exactly what you mean about the donation part. I have the same feeling as you.

 

[dunlurken]

AuburnJenn, I noticed that also and almost included it in my post. No way could anyone drive 15 miles in three minutes! Maybe she just did not realize her mistake in saying that. I am sure someone has pointed that out to her today. She awoke from sleep and got dressed, then drove over.

Kids have been known to go to a closet and curl up with their favorite blanket. My youngest daughter did that one time. She was probably 4 years old or so. I knew she was in the house somewhere, tho, because the burglar alarm was on. I would not let her kitty sleep with her, and found she and kitty curled up asleep in her closet with her balnket. And I mean twin size blanket from her bed. The reason I did not panic is because of the burglar alarm.

BUT, what bothers me is the time frame involved. Initially, IIRC, Ronald said he got home at 3:27 AM. Now, that is pretty precise. He did not say around 3:30 or 3:20, or even 3:25. He said 3:27 AM. Now he gets home, Misty tells him that Haleigh is missing, he does not spend much time looking around the house before calling LE. The 911 call was several minutes long. So he calls his Mom @ 3:26 or 7? Does not fit.

The 911 call was at 3:27. "They" called his mom first. She threw on her jeans and said she was surprised she didn't get a speeding ticket. Didn't care. She hoped LE would follow her. That's what she said.

 

[LaLaw2000]

The day that Ron and his Mom called the presser for 1pm...and all it was for basically was to introduce the funeral home guy who told about donations...I thought here we go again........

Now see? I think we all commented about that the day of the presser to call attention to and introduce the funeral hone guy. It was pretty transparent to me.

I think that was definately learned from little Caylee's case - get the donations coming in early on!

I will and have donated to TES. I am not about to donate to someone LE has not even cleared as POI's yet!

 

[LaLaw2000]

The 911 call was at 3:27. "They" called his mom first. She threw on her jeans and said she was surprised she didn't get a speeding ticket. Didn't care. She hoped LE would follow her. That's what she said.

OK. I believe you, but still do not think the timing of it all works out!

 

[kiki the parrot]

I am leaning toward Haleigh's disappearance being a scam or hoax. This K. Savage in Arizona seemed to have gotten her helpfindhaleigh.com donation site up and running fairly quickly. She had older pics of Ronald and Haleigh brushing their teeth. She had extremely recent pics of Ronald picking Haleigh up from the bus stop with what I believe is the pink Hannah Montana shirt on. Who was taking these pictures and when were they taken? The bus driver would know. More importantly, why were these pics even taken? I never had pictures of my child taken at a bus stop. Even if these pics were taken the first day of school, Haleigh still had that pink shirt on and a pink shirt was what she was at first reported as wearing to bed that night. I think Misty and Ronald knew that Haleigh had not had that shirt on after all and Misty had to point it out when LE escorted her to the house. LE probably already knew that shirt was still in the house. They (Ronald & Misty) wanted it to be this shirt Haleigh was wearing because they already had pics of her in it. Does this K. Savage know anyone in either family? I believe she will be found to have a tie with one or both of the two families.

Too many things just do not add up here. The first time I heard that 911 call I immediately thought that Ronald was faking it all. I know the majority of you do not think so, and that is fine, but it is my opinion that he was. Ronald immediately assumed a guy had taken Haleigh and threatened to kill the guy and stated he would not be afraid to spend the rest of his life in prison for it. He spent more time saying all of this than it would have taken to be patient with the 911 dispatcher and answer her questions. It is almost as if he thought the Sheriff's Office would immediately find this person and he would 'shoot' him. His anger was over the top and his crying forced and seemed fake to me.

Who is this A/C guy? It was 57 degrees the day or night Haleigh came up missing. Was he working on the heat pump? Now if the A/C heat pump and condenser was located on the right side of the house, wouldn't it have been closer for him to have come in the front door to have checked the thermostat? I am thinking that even if he came and went through the back door, he would not have propped the screen open. I have never had a repairman who felt he could get a strange cinder block and prop my door open. I want to know who this guy is and if he has taken a polygraph.

The phone records will almost tell the tale. I would hope that LE has gotten the phone records from both sides of the family. I am inclined to think that there was no landline home phone. I do not buy the story that MC was calling Ronald as he drove in the driveway. There is also only one cell phone number listed on the initial incident report. If Misty had a cell number why was it listed as Ronald's cell number?

Ronald was at work. Fine. That is his alibi and was checked out by LE. However, that is all we know. We do not know his actual work hours.

I honestly believe that this was all planned. Ronald was to go to work as usual. Misty was to clean the trailer really well. She was to report that Haleigh went to bed in the pink Hannah Montana shirt. There were very recent great pictures of her in that shirt that could be used in the media.

We have Crystal and her mother Marie not terribly emotional when we see them. Marie believes Haleigh could be in Florida or Alabama as she has stated on Nancy G. She seems almost confident that Haleigh is alive and well. Crystal is $4,100 in arrears in her child support and that total keeps growing. She knows that is all going to come to a head sooner or later whether little Haleigh is located or not. Supposedly she and Ronald got letters the day before Haleigh came up missing of notice of a hearing for contempt of court. That usually means going to jail if you cannot immediately comply and pay.

So I say that Haleigh was not abducted by a stranger or an RSO. These are just conveinient 'fall guys'. They would be the obvious suspects. What I am thinking is that Ronald and Crystal planned this to be fashioned after the Caylee case for the notariety and donations that would follow. Crystal could have talked with Ronald and told him there was no way she could come up with the money that was owed to him as child support. And this Amber Alert came up on WS as Caylee's Memorial Service was in progress. I had immediately gone to that thread and might have been the 4th or 5th poster on it.

LE cannot clear anyone on either side of the family in this. That says a lot. People on both sides of Haleighs family have a propensity to disregard the law. I do not believe or trust any of them. LE cannot work from an emotional point of view. We tend to take sides and are emotional as to who we believe and do not believe. I have yet to see any reason for me to believe either side.

Bottom line is that I honestly believe that the reported abduction is an elaborate hoax, and I further believe that both Ronald and Crystal know what really happened to Haleigh. Whatever LE suspects has happened here is something they have no concrete proof of or there would be an arrest or arrests. They cannot arrest or indite without evidence and proof as we all know. I believe the FBI will be the ones to solve this case.

Sorry this is so long. This is my theory - a big hoax.

Thank u Kat, for giving me so many more ideas to bounce around my already worn out brain lol. I'm being serious tho, and hope I can run my reactions by you FWIW.

First, a lighter note re the "coincidence" Haleigh just "happened" to be wearing the same pink shirt in photos in which she was initially reported missing. I have also seen pics of Haleigh in many other shirts, and can add too that my daughter who is Haleigh's age has a Hannah Montana sweatshirt that she would wear every day of the year... if I let her lol. I also took pics (and cellphone video) of her boarding the bus on her first day of kindergarten this year--then got in my van and hightailed it to her school, where I met her, took her to that classroom where I took yet more pics of her in class (groan, I know... lol). So guess that's why I don't read too much into this part.

Re phone, I'm not sure gf was provided any phone either (altho, as controlling as dad's reported by some to be that would strike me as somewhat odd). He had only been working the late nite shift for a little over a month. More significantly, I'm skeptical dad even provided gf with any KEY. Not to mention she might not have even had any vehicle to transport children in case of emergency, but the inability to lock either door (from the outside) had she cracked her brain and decided foolishly to leave those children--is KEY to this case IMO.

Remember too, dad's apparent jumping to conclusion re stranger abduction may also have been solely the result of gf's version of events that nite. Dad has two choices. If dad is to believe the gf he entrusted w his children that nite, then Haleigh was safely tucked in at bedtime, present and accounted for, along w the responsible gf he charged w his children's care and safety. OR he can admit to himself that when he allowed this minor, alleged drug user to become his free live-in babysitter he made a possibly fatal error in judgment. So dad's going ballistic about an intruder may simply result from his willingness to accept the only version he's being offered by his gf of four or five months.

Lastly, re a hoax perpetrated by dad. As much as I pray you're right Kat, my response is basically the same as to suggestions bio mom orchestrated--it's either subjecting too many family members to a nightmare full of heartache, or making every one of them complicit while entailing their collective acting skills. I can't look upon anybody's heart here, but dad's mom appears to me genuinely distraught and grieved. Mom appears to me not only defeated and possibly sedated but, as another poster insightfully pointed out may have done a good deal of her grieving two years ago when she lost her children to dad. Won't try to read dad and will only say we know unfortunately custody is not always motivated by, nor is it always strictly allocated upon, the basis of what turns out to be childrens' best interests. And that sadly for children, the same parents between whom there are waged bitter battles re custody and child support are often the very parents who may also fail to care for and adequately supervise those same children. Gf appears defensive and, to me, guilty--but of something less than direct involvement and more like a conscience burdened by knowing she is indirectly, yet inevitably partially responsible. Recognizing these two levels of culpability, LE continues rightly on their dual track investigation. I still have many questions myself (please see post #385). How I wish I could believe like you but for reasons explained throughout this thread and for the above reasons, I am still of the belief this was a preventable crime, of egregiously common opportunity, perpetrated by any one of the SOB's in immediate area, a tragedy that may regrettably have been set in motion by carelessness. JMO

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