Theories: Why Would Elizabeth kill Gabriel?

[Litlred]

New to this site so pardon me if this was already posted, likely is, you all really got it together here .
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Some people are convinced baby Gabriel is dead, that those of us who keep hope are living in "la-la land". Well, La-La land will work for me. I'm so sick of reading on dead and/or missing babies. IF I'm living in denial for awhile not going to hurt anyone, well, maybe just me down the road, but I'll cope.

I refuse to play in to this mad woman's games and her obvious need to be face first in the media. *F* HER. She's a criminal a cold-hearted *B*. She can rot in prison for all I care, I'll sit and wait to see what has come of baby Gabriel, even if this case comes to a cold stand-still, I will keep a flame for him going. Call it my way of saying he will always be remembere regardless of what has come to him, and it will stand for all children who have found their lives stolen in the same manner. Far more than I can say for Eliza*B* I plan to forget her face, her name and all her BS as soon as I can.

The way I see it, we can just put Gabriel away and add him to the countless others gone missing and presume him dead or we can keep a part of our hearts open for him. It's not an easy thing to do but who's to say for certain he's not alive? and tho I realize we may never know, and that prospect is maddening, I'll keep an eternal flame of hope for Gabriel just the same.

Hi Silvahalo and welcome.
I have always believed he is still alive. Now we need to find him.

 

[sandangel]

I know that nothing was found at the landfill regarding Gabriel, but I can't help but feel that EJ killed him and that is so heartbreaking! I cannot stop thinking about this case. It is so heartbreaking thinking of this sweet little boy and what his dad is going through.

 

[TXHOPE]

The more she shows her mental health issues the more I do worry for Gabriel. However, I've always believed he's alive and with a couple and I truly want to hold on to that belief. I also want to support Logan and he does know more information behind the scenes so until proven wrong I will continue to believe he's alive and continue to look for him.

 

[Melanie]

I just don't see her sitting in jail, not even helping with a composite sketch, etc., if he is still alive. I really don't.

She must realize that helping to produce a living Gabriel would greatly reduce her potential sentences.

Her silence, in my opinion, lends itself to Gabriel being deceased.

Sadly, I have to agree with you. Why would she sit in jail if she didn't do something terribly wrong. I don't believe she gave the child to an unknown couple in a park -- and if she did, why hasn't someone come forward.

Did she sell Gabriel to the underground? That's a possibility in my mind, but I keep going back to she killed him, or he OD'd on all that tylenol (or whatever med she was giving him).

MOO

Mel

 

[iluvmua]

That's what I don't get, if EJ did not kill him then why is she not saying anything about where he is at? ( unless her lawyer told her not to speak).

There is a reason why she is not spilling the beans about where he is, I think she knows exactly where he is and what happened to him.

Sadly, I think this child is most likely deceased.

 

[iluvmua]

Sadly, I have to agree with you. Why would she sit in jail if she didn't do something terribly wrong. I don't believe she gave the child to an unknown couple in a park -- and if she did, why hasn't someone come forward.

Did she sell Gabriel to the underground? That's a possibility in my mind, but I keep going back to she killed him, or he OD'd on all that tylenol (or whatever med she was giving him).

MOO

Mel

The Hispanic guy she was seen with, LE has also had trouble locating him as well.

 

[danisisa]

I think people do not understand how dangerous the Underground Adoption scene can be if someone were to talk. Her lawyers are telling her to talk and EJ refuses. The safety of Gabriel and she are at stake here.

These Underground Adoption rings are sophisticated and I am sure have everything they need to hide a child while that child gets everything they need including shots and medical care.

Just because she is not talking does not mean she killed Gabriel. I believe he is very much alive and will be found soon with the help of all PIs involved.

 

[iluvmua]

I think people do not understand how dangerous the Underground Adoption scene can be if someone were to talk. Her lawyers are telling her to talk and EJ refuses. The safety of Gabriel and she are at stake here.

These Underground Adoption rings are sophisticated and I am sure have everything they need to hide a child while that child gets everything they need including shots and medical care.

Just because she is not talking does not mean she killed Gabriel. I believe he is very much alive and will be found soon with the help of all PIs involved.

Are her lawyers trying to get her to tell LE what she did with Gabriel?
I could care less about her safety, as far as i'm concerned she can die in prison.

I'm concerned about Gabriel's safety;

 

[danisisa]

Are her lawyers trying to get her to tell LE what she did with Gabriel?
I could care less about her safety, as far as i'm concerned she can die in prison.

I'm concerned about Gabriel's safety; screw Elizabeth Johnson

Listent to part of the hearing on KPHO.

 

[iluvmua]

Listent to part of the hearing on KPHO.

Ok, Thanks

 

[vjlaw]

I think people do not understand how dangerous the Underground Adoption scene can be if someone were to talk. Her lawyers are telling her to talk and EJ refuses. The safety of Gabriel and she are at stake here.

These Underground Adoption rings are sophisticated and I am sure have everything they need to hide a child while that child gets everything they need including shots and medical care.

Just because she is not talking does not mean she killed Gabriel. I believe he is very much alive and will be found soon with the help of all PIs involved.

I agree. Her not talking doesn't mean she killed Gabriel. There are witnesses who saw her with someone. That someone has not come forward to talk to LE for a reason.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

EJ didn't want Gabe and doesn't want Logan to have him. She is already in trouble no matter what. She gets nothing out of talking. If she gives info to help find Gabe, he'll go back to Logan and she'll still sit in jail. She has shown herself to be psychotic, which slightly worries me she may have harmed Gabe, but I truly believe he is alive and well hidden. There is too much evidence between TS, JM, the hispanic guy - to lead me to think she gave him away.

 

[LogicalMinds]

I think the fact she sits and says nothing is simply more proof that Gabe is no longer alive...Elizabeth is the ONE who knows and she is NOT talking

the ideas about the dangerous "underground adoption rings" are about as valid as the "sex slave rings" that supposedly kidnap every missing attractive young women...and then later they are found to be dead, usually murdered the same day they went missing

if this was an all powerful and connected agency, Elizabeth would have been whisked away herself and paid off handsomely...instead she was found in a $25 a night hostel

 

[Litlred]

I think the fact she sits and says nothing is simply more proof that Gabe is no longer alive...Elizabeth is the ONE who knows and she is NOT talking

the ideas about the dangerous "underground adoption rings" are about as valid as the "sex slave rings" that supposedly kidnap every missing attractive young women...and then later they are found to be dead, usually murdered the same day they went missing

if this was an all powerful and connected agency, Elizabeth would have been whisked away herself and paid off handsomely...instead she was found in a $25 a night hostel

I disagree. I believe Gabe is still alive and EJ is afraid for her own life. If this is possibly a underground adoption ring tied to something bigger she knows if she talks and ever gets out she is dead. It doesn't have to be an all powerful and connected agency. It could simply be some slimebag she met connected to a drug cartel. So, perhaps in her mind she is safer in jail.

 

[SuziQ]

IMO, poor Gabriel is dead and his mother is not talking because she can't get the death penalty for what she's currently charged with. Not hard to figure out why she's keeping her mouth shut.

 

[sandangel]

IMO, poor Gabriel is dead and his mother is not talking because she can't get the death penalty for what she's currently charged with. Not hard to figure out why she's keeping her mouth shut.

My thoughts exactly! Every day that passes where she says nothing, I worry more and more that she did kill Baby Gabriel. The way she took care of him the last several days before he went missing she sure did not show ANY love whatsoever to this precious baby.

 

[kappy50]

well I still believe little Gabriel is still among us. To me if she wanted to do harm, why travel close to 1,000 miles, spends 6-7 days with him to harm him. she could have done that in AZ long before.JMO

 

[BeanE]

her request to ask the judge to reconsider letting her out of jail

http://www.kpho.com/news/22865049/detail.html

I've been pondering this ever since the hearing the other day. I think Elizabeth is vicious. I think she may even be psychotic, or having psychotic breaks. But I keep thinking about her wanting to ask the judge to reconsider letting her out of jail.

I don't think she's so far gone mentally that she wouldn't know perfectly well that if she killed her baby, she wouldn't get out of jail.

I think she's nuts (sorry for the political incorrectness, but I'm just not sure what the heck disorder(s) she has), but she is not without any lucidity or reason. (Her motion, written herself, was seemingly coherent, articulate, and thought out - not hastily scribbled, and no apparent references to demons or aliens invading her world).

I think she's cheeky (deliberately understated), but she's not stupid. I don't think she would think it was anywhere within the realm of reasonability, even for her, to request getting out of jail if she'd killed her baby.

I don't think she killed Gabe. In fact, this one thing, her wanting to request the judge reconsider releasing her, has convinced me that she did not.

Has this changed anyone else's thinking?

 

[kissdegirl]

She doesn't see leaving her baby with strangers, the S's included, is wrong. So, I don't think she feels she's done any wrong, because that's what she did with him.

I also don't feel she is completely psychotic, though it's possible she has breaks into this from time to time. She sat there in court, listened, responded appropriately, and as BeanE said, wrote a clear message to the judge.

I am feeling stronger in my belief that he is alive, and was given to a couple while in SA.

 

[momtective]

I will preface this comment by stating that I very much believe Gabriel is alive. With that said, I was watching HLN the other morning and saw where a woman's dead body had been found inside the bed frame at a hotel in Tennessee. The room had been rented out several times since she was placed there and it was just recently that she was found there http://www.mefeedia.com/news/29725396. Ewww, I know, but I'm wondering if the entire room/rooms that EJ stayed in have been dismantled? If not, I can't imagine why they haven't.