Theory #1: Stranger Abduction by the "Couple in the Car"

[SideKick]

OT- but if she is married and living in FL why is she still listed as missing? does LE have her info in FL? If not someone should pass it along to the investigator working on the case, which is still active at doenetwork.

Morning!
This was my question to Sherlock too... if she is indeed alive and living in Florida, why still on the Doe missing? Unless she figured she got married, no one would put two and two together, and if she RAISED Anna in Florida.... I can't believe she would kidnap Anna and then discard her, what's the point in that? Is there a Social Insurance database?

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Exactly. I'm glad someone besides me remembered. I also recall that Doogies reply indicated something like they never pursued it because there was no evidence the couple in the car had anything to do with Anna's disappearance. Though, now I really can't recall if that was posted here in Anna's forum, or did Doogie reply to that question in another forum where the question arose?

I'm looking too but haven't found it. Please post, or bump the old post if it is not in a locked/closed thread. (or copy it here) Thanks!

I do not recall ever saying that, but I have often been surprised when I have reviewed old threads at some of the things that I have posted. (Nothing is worse then reading something and thinking "Who is this idiot?", then discovering it was one of your own posts. LOL)

I believe that the couple in the car are a very important lead that should continue to be explored. If I have ever stated anything different, please slap me. :slap:

 

[Dr. Doogie]

At the time that we were looking into Antoinette Marino, we found someone by that name living in Florida who appeared to be about the same age. We shared this info with the adoptee's search angel.

The angel was going to extraordinary levels to protect the adoptee from psychological trauma and was not sharing much info with her. All contact that we had was with the angel. We never heard back so we do not know if this lead was eventually shown to not be the same woman or not.
The angel and the adoptee were convinced that Marino had pissed off the wrong person, had been killed and was buried in the desert somewhere.

 

[Cubby]

Am I mixing this up? Michaud Binder Daveggio
This is not the sketch I recall- as my recollection is a drawing/sketch and not actual photographs. I found these while searching, were these three ever researched as possibilities with Anna's case? -or- is the timeline way off? Interestingly there is a Facebook acct with someone with the same name as Michaud, unknown if there is any relation.

I've been looking and looking both here at WS and at Doenetwork for that sketch and I am still unable to locate the case.

Just throwing this out here incase anyone can recap before I spend a whole bunch of time digging. (Not to mention my son hid my keys and I STILL can not find them, argh! )

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I do not believe that Daveggio or Machaud have ever been seriously discussed here. From the Charley Project website:

"James Daveggio has been considered as a possible suspect as well. He
and his former girlfriend, Michelle Michaud, were charged with the
1997 abduction, rape and murder of Vanessa Swanson. Swanson's
remains were discovered approximately five miles from the site of
Jaycee Dugard's 1991 California abduction. Photos of Daveggio and
Michaud are posted below this case summary. They were also charged
with additional counts of sexual assault in unrelated cases in the
mid-1990s. Michaud claims that she met Daveggio in 1996 and
therefore was not involved in Dugard's abduction. There are striking
similarities between Michaud and the female suspect in Dugard's
case.
Daveggio is also considered a possible suspect in Swartz-Garcia and
Misheloff's disappearances. Neither he nor Michaud has been charged
in connection with any of the cases. Garecht remains missing and her
case is unsolved"

If this timeline is true, then these two could not have been the couple in the car in late 1972/January 1973. And I am pretty sure that Annasbro's comment about someone looking exactly like his memory was in relation to Antoinette Marino.

 

[Cubby]

Thank you Dr.Doogie. I'm really wondering if I have this sketch mixed up with another case for which you may have posted. Now I am unsure if the sketch was both a female and male, or just a female. I'm recalling a black and white sketch/drawing and the woman was wearing some kind of puffy blouse. Mayeb it will come to me. There are times I've thought about remembering something from a 10-20 years ago and usually it comes back to memory within a few weeks.

 

[raindrops300]

Exactly. I'm glad someone besides me remembered. I also recall that Doogies reply indicated something like they never pursued it because there was no evidence the couple in the car had anything to do with Anna's disappearance. Though, now I really can't recall if that was posted here in Anna's forum, or did Doogie reply to that question in another forum where the question arose?

I'm looking too but haven't found it. Please post, or bump the old post if it is not in a locked/closed thread. (or copy it here) Thanks!

I cannot find it anywhere... I have searched the forum for 'sketch' 'composite' 'drawing'. Found a lot of interesting things, but not what i was looking for. I'm not 100% sure that the sketches Dr Doogie posted are the same ones I'm looking for that I remember. Could be, but not positive about it. Maybe we are thinking of another forum and Anna was mentioned in relation to the sketches?
Anyway I'm going to keep looking. Can you think of any other 'keywords' to search?

What I remember is a pencil drawing and it was a man and a woman. But I'm beginning to think it may have been in another forum and someone mentioned Anna and the 'couple' in the other forum.

 

[smile22]

I cannot find it anywhere... I have searched the forum for 'sketch' 'composite' 'drawing'. Found a lot of interesting things, but not what i was looking for. I'm not 100% sure that the sketches Dr Doogie posted are the same ones I'm looking for that I remember. Could be, but not positive about it. Maybe we are thinking of another forum and Anna was mentioned in relation to the sketches?
Anyway I'm going to keep looking. Can you think of any other 'keywords' to search?

What I remember is a pencil drawing and it was a man and a woman. But I'm beginning to think it may have been in another forum and someone mentioned Anna and the 'couple' in the other forum.

i found it it was not a sketch that i could find but i found a refrence to a posting by annas bro if u go go to user names click on someones name u can find any and every posting they had saves u time from searching the threads anyways here it is http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1256718&postcount=671

he talks about the women wearing some indian style clothing

 

[SideKick]

i found it it was not a sketch that i could find but i found a refrence to a posting by annas bro if u go go to user names click on someones name u can find any and every posting they had saves u time from searching the threads anyways here it is http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1256718&postcount=671

he talks about the women wearing some indian style clothing

~~~

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1665dfca.html Antoinette Marino

 

[Cubby]

I do not recall ever saying that, but I have often been surprised when I have reviewed old threads at some of the things that I have posted. (Nothing is worse then reading something and thinking "Who is this idiot?", then discovering it was one of your own posts. LOL)

I believe that the couple in the car are a very important lead that should continue to be explored. If I have ever stated anything different, please slap me. :slap:

Now that Jaycee has been found, and the suspects sketch and perps have been found, it was that sketch I couldn't recall and had wondered if Annasbro had seen that sketch and did she resemble the woman he recalls from the car.

I don't know enough yet about the Garrido's. Where he was at the time of Anna's abduction. What year the car is ( now that they are saying the car- which does not match Anna's bro's description- is still in the back yard), or what kind of car he was driving in Jan 73. Was he with Nancy, his wife, in 73? What ages did Annasbro think this woman was, could she have been in her late teens as Nancy would have been about Jan 73 if she is currently 54.

I find it odd, I guess, that that was the sketch I was trying to recall, and there they are in Antioch, so close to HMB.

ETA: Phillip Garrido was not married to his current wife, the female in the sketch I was thinking of, in 1973. He was married to his first wife and former HS Sweetheart at the time so she could not be the female Annasbro saw in the car shortly before Anna went missing.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

It is not confirmed yet, but it appears that Garrido was in jail during 1973. I am working on nailing this down.

I don't want to clog up Anna's thread with pictures from unrelated cases, but compare the picture of Philip Garrido to the composite of Michaela Garecht's kidnapper. Except for the length of hair, it is stunning. And he was not in prison in 1989 when Michaela disappeared...

 

[Annasmom]

I don't know enough yet about the Garrido's. Where he was at the time of Anna's abduction. What year the car is ( now that they are saying the car- which does not match Anna's bro's description- is still in the back yard), or what kind of car he was driving in Jan 73. Was he with Nancy, his wife, in 73? What ages did Annasbro think this woman was, could she have been in her late teens as Nancy would have been about Jan 73 if she is currently 54.

I find it odd, I guess, that that was the sketch I was trying to recall, and there they are in Antioch, so close to HMB.

ETA: Phillip Garrido was not married to his current wife, the female in the sketch I was thinking of, in 1973. He was married to his first wife and former HS Sweetheart at the time so she could not be the female Annasbro saw in the car shortly before Anna went missing.

Cubby, in the press conference, the sheriff's man said "Nancy", Phillip's present wife, was present at the original kidnapping. Is this not the case?

 

[Cubby]

Cubby, in the press conference, the sheriff's man said "Nancy", Phillip's present wife, was present at the original kidnapping. Is this not the case?

Phillip has a conviction in 1977 for a 1976 rape and kidnapping in NV. (though it did say he lived on Market street, but Market street where/what state?) His then wife Christine P (his HS sweetheart) had stated in one of the news articles I found, that she divorced him as a result of/after his convictions in the 1970's. Since the conviction was in 1977, I am assuming Christine, not Nancy, was married to him in 1973. Their marriage and divorce records for Phillip and Christine are listed at Ancestry.com, but I do not have a membership to view the actual dates. Anyone have an ancestry membership that could verify the exact dates?

I'll presume, it is a long shot that Phillip was having a relationship with Nancy during his marriage to CP..... Thus, I do not think Nancy G was the woman Annasbro saw in the car in 1973. But yes, Nancy was married/with Phillip when Jaycee was kidnapped. (I hope this make sense)

hth

 

[Dr. Doogie]

In the press conference, it was said that he was convicted in 1971. Evidently, there are also news reports that it was 1976. The 1971 may be incorrect. Somewhere, last night in the whirlwind of webpages I viewed, I saw a news article from a Reno paper from the time of and about the earlier conviction - I need to refind that and check the date.

Annasmom, the mention by LE of the "original kidnapping" was in reference to the original kidnapping of Jaycee, not the Nevada one.

The arraignment is today at 1pm PST. I hope to go to it.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I found this posted elsewhere on Websleuths:

"This case brings to light Garrido's criminal past. Garrido was arrested in Reno on Nov. 23, 1976 on charges of kidnapping a South Lake Tahoe, Calif., woman.

unit had rugs on the floor and walls, pornographic magazines, a movie projector, marital aids, a spotlight, wine and hot water.

In 1977 Garrido was sentenced to 50 years in federal prison for kidnapping and five years to life on a state charge of sexual assault for crimes in Nevada. He started his federal prison term on June 30, 1977 and then was transferred to Nevada authorities on Jan. 22, 1988 to serve state time. He was then paroled in Nevada on Aug. 26, 1988 and then later paroled to California.

Article:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...090828_3213263 "

Looks like this idiot is still in play as a POI for us.

 

[John Curry]

It is not confirmed yet, but it appears that Garrido was in jail during 1973. I am working on nailing this down.

I don't want to clog up Anna's thread with pictures from unrelated cases, but compare the picture of Philip Garrido to the composite of Michaela Garecht's kidnapper. Except for the length of hair, it is stunning. And he was not in prison in 1989 when Michaela disappeared...

I grew up in Hayward Ca and lived down the street from Rainbow Market where and when Michael Joy Garecht was kidnapped, someone had tried to kidnap me months prior in front of Barnard White Middle School just 1/8 of mile down the street. Michaela has always been in the back of my mind, hoping that one day she is found as has happened with Jaycee. After reading articles on the particulars of Jaycee’s case and her abductor I have noticed some similarities and hope they are investigated. Phillip Garrido has a prior conviction for kidnapping and rape; he was originally sentenced in 1977 to 50 years in federal prison for kidnapping and from five years to life on a state charge of sexual assault in South Lake Tahoe. He was paroled from the Northern Nevada Corrections Center in Carson City on Aug. 26, 1988. From there, he was paroled to California. Michaela Joy Garecht was kidnapped 11/19/1988 3 months later from Hayward California, if Garrido resided in Antioch at that time it would only be 50 miles away, much less then the 150 he traveled to pick up Jaycee.

Per the media Garrido was driving around in a Ford Granada when Jaycee was kidnapped (grey sedan). In the description of the vehicle in Michaela’s case the abductor drove a large older model American-made sedan. It was possibly a four-door vehicle and was cream, gold, or tan in color. While the colors don’t match the descriptions are very similar. Another similarity has to do with the 1976 South Lake Tahoe case, according to a Nevada State Journal story published the next day, Reno detectives said the victim, a 25-year-old casino worker from South Lake Tahoe, was forced into a car at a market parking lot. Michaela was in a market parking lot and after being tricked that her scooter was around the corner she was grabbed and forced into the vehicle.

Again, I am only mentioning these similarities with hopes that they will be investigated and possibly bring closure to another case.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

This sounds like the crime occured in 1976. I wonder if there was a second (third?) earlier kidnapping in 1971 or if the 1971 date is just a mistake.

 

[John Curry]

Double post...oops

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I grew up in Hayward Ca and lived down the street from Rainbow Market where and when Michael Joy Garecht was kidnapped, someone had tried to kidnap me months prior in front of Barnard White Middle School just 1/8 of mile down the street...

John, have you ever presented this info to Hayward LE or Michaela's mother? I spoke to Sharon Murch (the mom) yesterday prior to the press conference and she asked me to let her know if any relevant info came to light - this certainly qualifies! Thanks for posting it.

 

[John Curry]

I sent an email to Hayward PD and about 5 mins ago it kicked it back saying it was no longer valid. I had looked up Hayward PD on google and found 3 detective names and emails. I plan on calling here in a few minutes.