Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

[Dr. Doogie]

I should also state that I never found anything to rule out PT involvement, just that I didn't find anything to warrant looking into it further. If we can find anything to link the PT to Anna (or the two Georges), then it would be worthy of a complete investigation.

A couple of quick things that jump out at me:

*The location of the People's Temple in San Francisco was 1849 Geary Street (same street as where the two Georges lived - about a mile away).

*When in San Francisco, the Temple operated several drug treatment centers and medical clinics for the poor - exactly the sort of places that Waters either worked at or attempted to work at.

*Waters's sister was the head of the Socialist Workers Party in the Bay Area. One big caveat: being a socialist in the Bay Area (especially in the 1970's) was like being a Baptist in Georgia - there were a lot of people who were socialists. Also, there were many seperate socialist organizations operating at the time who claimed to be the true representatives of Marxism, so it would not necessarily mean that Jim Jones and Waters's sister ran in the circles.

*I now understand your earlier question about the timing of the "I'm glad the tot is dead" statement - did it occur after November 1978 when the PT members committed suicide by drinking cyanide laced koolaid? This would provide one explaination of how Waters would have thought Anna to be dead without him actually killing her (which would not fit his personality).

*Waters did kill himself with cyanide, but it appears that it was based on copying the method of suicide that Rommel used near the end of WWII, not copying anything that the PT did. That being said, I wouldn't dismiss the hypothesis based on this alone.

*I do see some resemblence between Georgianne Brady and the last picture of Anna. And the name "Georgianne Brady" (George Anna?) is also obviously interesting. The question is can we find any birth record of Georgianne that would rule her out as Anna?

I do not know if there is "fire" here, but there does seem to be some "smoke". As we await some definitive answers about "C", this may be worth further study.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I do see some resemblence between Georgianne Brady and the last picture of Anna.

Looks like I have been out-voted - LOL! There is definitely no resemblance between the age progression and Georgianne, but the picture of Anna in the doorway looks similar to me (the face is longer which could come from maturity, and the nose and eyes look close).

 

[dbradford04]

Sorry doogie....not even close. :banghead:

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Sorry doogie....not even close. :banghead:

So it is unanimous - I am blind as a bat. :doh:

 

[mfmangel1]

I would find it hard to believe GB would be supportive of the People's Temple as it would take glory, adulation and focus away from him.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I would find it hard to believe GB would be supportive of the People's Temple as it would take glory, adulation and focus away from him.

Excellent point - unless, perhaps, it served his "greater" purpose to associate with them. Your assessment is most likely correct.

(Can you imagine two egotistical kooks like Jim Jones and George Brody in a whizzing match over who was the real messiah?)

 

[Shadow205]

Excellent point - unless, perhaps, it served his "greater" purpose to associate with them. Your assessment is most likely correct.

(Can you imagine two egotistical kooks like Jim Jones and George Brody in a whizzing match over who was the real messiah?)

Let's add Charles Dederich, founder of Synanon to that. Now that would be something to see.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I don't see any resemblance whatsoever.

Sorry to raise a stink here , I posted that link primarily so you could take a look at the names and pictures to see if any thing jumps out at you. I mentioned Georgianne and that I researched her, so no one would have to spend 2 hours looking up all the same information I did, only to find she's not Anna.

The name Georgianne Brady jumped out at me because of the name. I found her birth record, (and Her sisters) & as I said, appear to be legitimate daughters of their mother Michaeleen Patricia (Tally) Brady. (Though I can not find any marriage records for Michaeleen Patricia Tally to a Brady, nor her birth records). I thought her eyes looked a lot like that last picture of Anna, also the wavy/curly hair...as I said, I discounted her as being Anna because of the birth year and the link to her listed mother.

If you look at the link for her sister Michele, there are 2 photos for her. They are obviously both not Michele. One must be Michele and the other is a different pose of Georgianne.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I would find it hard to believe GB would be supportive of the People's Temple as it would take glory, adulation and focus away from him.

Yes, I thought this very thing as well, BUT... The Georges would have to have known that they could not keep Anna with them. (If they did in fact have anything to do with her disappearance). From what I gather, they thought, (in their twisted and distorted minds) that Annasmom and possibly Joe where not proper parents. So they find someone with the closest values to their own to raise her. Even if Brody thought he was "better" than Jones, he might have thought that, at least the Temple was better than her current home...(IN HIS TWISTED AND DISTORTED MIND).

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

One more thing on this subject before you guys kick me out of here...


In the 1970's Jones claimed that the Peoples Temple had over 3000 members, but only around 1000 to 1200 (No one knows the exact number) actually moved to Guyana. There is a possibility if Anna was given to a member of the Temple, she (or the people who had her) did not go.

The Georges might not have known what happened to her after a period of time, and only assumed she died.

Maybe while you're waiting for DNA on "C" you could try and find out if her family has any ties with the PT.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

One more thing on this subject before you guys kick me out of here...

I think the points you bring up are worthy of discussion. Even if some people may think you are way off base, your research is valid and valuable (even if it turns out to be not related to Anna). We need to look at all possibilities - the mundane and the wierd. Don't be discouraged if what you find is dissected and dismissed - when we look at something and ultimately decide that it is unrelated, we have crossed another possibility off of the list (and that is progress!).

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

On 2-28-07 I sent an e-mail to the author of the book Seductive Poison. In this book, author Deborah Layton Blakey wrote about her 7 year experiences of being a high level member of the "Peoples Temple". She managed to escape Jonestown just weeks prior to the mass suicide/murder in Guyana. Apparently she is the sister (Or sis-in-law, I seen it listed as both) of Larry Layton, an attorney for Jones, and the only person to have ever faced prison time for the murder of CA Congressman, Leo Ryan. She is also a native of the San Fransisco area. After 10 days with no reply, I sent the letter again. It was returned undeliverable with in a few minutes...strange. Anyway, I hope I haven't stepped on any toes. A copy of the letter I sent her is attached. This is so frustrating!


Hello Ms. Layton,



I’m hoping you can lead me into the right direction into researching the children of the People’s Temple, and how many of them came there under illegal circumstances. I (as well as MANY others) have been trying to locate a female child, by the name of Anna Christian Waters that was abducted from a rural area of Half Moon Bay, CA in Jan. 1973 at the age of 5 years old. (DOB 9-25-67) It is thought that maybe the child’s biological father, who had joint custody at the time, and his Sr. Mentor had something to do with her disappearance. They happen to live just a few blocks from the San Francisco Peoples Temple HQ at the time of her disappearance. While the child was never found, her father Dr. George Waters, MD and his elder mentor, George Brody may have had weak ties with the Peoples Temple. Anna will be 40 years old this year.



I need to know how often, if ever, the Peoples Temple would “make a deal” with someone to take their child “off their hands”. There was some information (obtained from the safe deposit box of Father after his suicide) that mentions a plan (dated Jan. 1973) of setting up of a life insurance policy for himself making Anna the beneficiary, then 3 months later increasing the amount and then another 3 months later changing the Beneficiary to an unknown person. Could this have been a practice of Jones to except children?



Interestingly, when the elder “Mentor” George Brody died in the 80’s he was cremated at Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland. 12 days after he died, Dr. Waters committed suicide by drinking cyanide, leading me to believe they felt some remorse over the missing child.



If you can think of anywhere I can search for a roster of the “foster children” of the People’s Temple, or clear pictures of them to compare, please let me know. I’ve searched just about every popular Internet site, and even went through every single name listed at www.jonestown.sdsu.edu and am still at a loss. The mother of Anna has spent the last 34 years looking for her lost child, and I would really like to help her.



Thank you very much for any information you can give me. By the way, I look forward to reading your book.



Sincerely,



Lori



PS: I can forward you a link to a photo album with her last known pictures, age progression pictures and several pictures of the area she was abducted from as well as her father George Waters and his mentor George Brody if any of this rings a bell to you. Also, George Brody could have been an alias. No other information can be found on him other than what appears a false birth date.

 

[smile22]

i think the letter was right to the point and a very good one i see no reason for her not to reply to you unless shes has very strong ties to some of the members of the church and will keep mum about stuff. once i was trying to send a letter to someone online and it would go through and stuff and would take a week to get back to me undeliverable and i knew the web address was having some email issues well i resent the letter after a week had passed and 5 minnuts later got a return to sender so it is possible the email is outdated

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I would try again, since the first one never came back. I think sometimes it could be mail server issues. But, you never know.

 

[Annasmom]

i think the letter was right to the point and a very good one i see no reason for her not to reply to you unless shes has very strong ties to some of the members of the church and will keep mum about stuff. once i was trying to send a letter to someone online and it would go through and stuff and would take a week to get back to me undeliverable and i knew the web address was having some email issues well i resent the letter after a week had passed and 5 minnuts later got a return to sender so it is possible the email is outdated

You might try printing the letter out and sending it by regular post to her publisher.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I spoke to SherlockJr last night and our discussion has opened up a couple of new ideas for investigation. We concluded that since we know that the newer portrait of Brody was taken circa 1970, the picture of Brody as a younger man was probably 25-to-30 years before. That means that the picture was taken circa 1940-1945 in San Francisco - exactly when Margaret Kukoda came to San Francisco during WWII.

This bolsters the theory that Brody and Margaret knew each other in PA (they are both from PA and they both appear in SF at the same time). If so, someone in Kukoda's family may know who Brody is - possibly even his real name. SherlockJr is going to persue this angle and contact any surviving siblings and other family members to see if they can provide us with any additional information.

Meanwhile, I will be speaking to LE shortly to see if we can get some of the contents of the Box from Hell back so we can persue some of the leads that require its contents. Hopefully, I will also get an update on the progress of their investigation.

 

[SherlockJr]

This bolsters the theory that Brody and Margaret knew each other in PA (they are both from PA and they both appear in SF at the same time). If so, someone in Kukoda's family may know who Brody is - possibly even his real name. SherlockJr is going to persue this angle and contact any surviving siblings and other family members to see if they can provide us with any additional information.

According to death records for Margaret, she was born in NJ. However the town in PA where she lived before moving to CA was Doylestown in Bucks County.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Is the census records you have been going by for the Margaret Kukoda Family the 1930 Bucks county, Durham PA records? Is this the information you are going by determining MK is from PA?

Father- Anthony Kukoda b. 1875
Mother- Esther Kukoda b. 1885
Children - Stephen, Joseph, Frank, Michael, Margaret, John, Madeline

In 1910 - NJ they spelled it Kukido with Kuksdo listed as an alternate spelling. In 1920 - NJ they spelled it Kahnhe with Kokoda listed as an alternate spelling. By 1930 the spelling became Kukoda, by then 3 of the children had moved from the house and 2 of the boys where found living in MI as loggers (in 1930) and continued to spell it Kokoda. Any of these spellings could be used by any of them.

I can go into more detail if anyone is interested. I am positive they are the same families. All the kids (10 total) birth years, first names all match up according to year etc.

I don't think this Margaret is Brody's MK as someone else mentioned the birth months are off.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Is the census records you have been going by for the Margaret Kukoda Family the 1930 Bucks county, Durham PA records? Is this the information you are going by determining MK is from PA?

Father- Anthony Kukoda b. 1875
Mother- Esther Kukoda b. 1885
Children - Stephen, Joseph, Frank, Michael, Margaret, John, Madeline

In 1910 - NJ they spelled it Kukido with Kuksdo listed as an alternate spelling. In 1920 - NJ they spelled it Kahnhe with Kokoda listed as an alternate spelling. By 1930 the spelling became Kukoda, by then 3 of the children had moved from the house and 2 of the boys where found living in MI as loggers (in 1930) and continued to spell it Kokoda. Any of these spellings could be used by any of them.

I can go into more detail if anyone is interested. I am positive they are the same families. All the kids (10 total) birth years, first names all match up according to year etc.

I don't think this Margaret is Brody's MK as someone else mentioned the birth months are off.

Please do continue looking into this. I am especially interested in the branch of the family that ended up in Michigan. Thanks!

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

No one has clarified the Margaret Kukoda question I asked a couple times yesterday. Dr. Doogie...anyone? Is the Margaret, (Daughter of Anthony & Esther Kukoda) the one you believe to be Brody's MK? If so, has anyone called her sister Madlyn Chasar? (It is spelled Madaline in the census records, but spelled Madlyn in her parents obits) She's still alive (85) and lives in Hellertown PA. I've got her phone number if you want it.

Again, I will state that this Margaret has a different birth month than Brody's Margaret.