What "type" would that be? This kind of thing transcends class, income, and racial lines. I have had murder touch my own family. Here's a clue- anyone is capable of anything. The end.
Damn skippy!
What "type" would that be? This kind of thing transcends class, income, and racial lines. I have had murder touch my own family. Here's a clue- anyone is capable of anything. The end.
Perhaps I didn't read Shapiro's article through, but I got the impression that he was blaming her religious inclinations for the murder.
I think you're wrong about the DNA not meeting minimum standards for inclusion---especially the last DNA that was found years later.
The DNA cannot be discounted...
it was found under her nails on some of the spots on her underwear, and along the waistband.
It was a problem for the Grand Jury...
and Barry Scheck has been silent on it. He wouldn't discount it for his innocence project.
I could have been wrong about the football player...
but it was a strong blow with a lot of force behind it,
and there were nail marks in her neck from the garrotte.
I can't imagine even bad parents murdering a child that way....
not to mention the stun gun.
There is plenty of exculpatory evidence.
It's more than just the "type." It's all the elements of the crime, when connected make it unlikely the Ramseys were involved in this crime--be it an accident or intentional.
Considering the temperament of Patsy, she wouldn't have had the presence of mind to creep around the house without lights on doing a coverup.....doesn't make sense......
and a big thing to me is, you can't write what you don't know....there is no indication Patsy or John knew the movie lines.
He would have done a better job of it. These are not the type of people that would have killed a child in this way, and if it was just Patsy, John would not have been a part of it anymore than most parents would coveup for one another--I'm talking normal upper middle class, educated parents.....neither knew the movie lines....no lights were blaring from the house that night--it's ludicrous to continuing saying a Ramsey did it.
One thing is for sure in my mind is that PR planned this. No way that note was written and thought out that night, the lifelike baby doll for Christmas, changing the color of the tree to purple which gives biblical meaning. To me it seemed she planned this.
I don't think so...These items were remarked upon in DOI (book). It sounds more like she was trying to impute meaning in these items after the fact.
The note was most likely written that night, possibly with outside help. Are the phone records permanently unretrievable or did the DA just drop the ball on obtaining them?
Perhaps I didn't read Shapiro's article through, but I got the impression that he was blaming her religious inclinations for the murder. I think you're wrong about the DNA not meeting minimum standards for inclusion---especially the last DNA that was found years later. The DNA cannot be discounted...it was found under her nails on some of the spots on her underwear, and along the waistband. It was a problem for the Grand Jury...and Barry Scheck has been silent on it. He wouldn't discount it for his innocence project.
I could have been wrong about the football player...but it was a strong blow with a lot of force behind it, and there were nail marks in her neck from the garrotte. I can't imagine even bad parents murdering a child that way....not to mention the stun gun. There is plenty of exculpatory evidence.
What do you base that idea on? And I wasn't asking WHAT, I was asking WHY. Would you have us believe that he'd just throw his own wife to the dogs? He'd already lost one daughter, now another, and if he did that, he'd lose Patsy too. (That's assuming that he wasn't involved in some way.)
Yes, if his wife could do such a horrendous crime, he'd throw her to the dogs. It would mean she was crazy, and I don't see him living with a lunatic...especially with Burke.
Give me a BREAK. Do not ever tell me that someone is not the "type" to do something. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that about a killer, I'd have my rent paid for the next year, easy.
There's never been a parent that garrotted her child...the method of the killing and other acts are not the acts of doting, loving parents with no history of child abuse whatsover. There is no motive. On the other hand, there's plenty of crazies out there that have done worse acts---losers of society
Neither did the person who wrote the RN, in case you haven't noticed! The lines weren't quoted verbatim, but the subject matter is something neither parent was familiar with---especially Dirty Harry. Again, no history of any interest in extortion movies.
I'll TELL you what's ludicrous, Maikai: the intruder theory. I plan to KEEP saying it!
It's more than just the "type." It's all the elements of the crime, when connected make it unlikely the Ramseys were involved in this crime--be it an accident or intentional.
The light that was off was outside the sunroom...don't know if that is relevant or not, or if it just burnt out on its own.
It's too bad the neighbors didn't take more notice of the moving lights---could have been someone using a flashlight. Especially going into the basement---would the perp have turned the lights on? Considering the temperament of Patsy, she wouldn't have had the presence of mind to creep around the house without lights on doing a coverup.....doesn't make sense......and a big thing to me is, you can't write what you don't know....there is no indication Patsy or John knew the movie lines.
I cannot begin to imagine why anyone would decorate a Christmas Tree with Purple.
And Yes, I can see why Patsy Ramsey might think that time was running out.
But what person in their right mind would take a young child to meet them in death?
I can't get my head around subjecting that small girl to The Beauty Pageant Circuit. But then I am a bit old fashioned.
I have spent nearly 6 decades in the South, born n' bred, as they say. Many generations of GRITS.
So I can understand the religious fervor Patsy had, though I don't share her religious beliefs.
I'm still not able to accept that Patsy planned this murder, though. I will have to see evidence which convinces me that was the case, and I haven't seen it yet.
For one thing, while we don't know who was sexually abusing JonBenet. Yes, it could have been some horrible ritual or torture Patsy performed in some state of mental illness--sadly, it's not uncommon; but I have not seen the evidence that proves it was her and not someone else from the inner circle. As mentioned, statistically it was far more likely a young male. If it were John Ramsey, then there must have been others before JonBenet, as pedophiles don't just suddenly develop their desires to molest in middle age.
So I'm always stuck on this because, contrary to the endless accusations that those of us who believe the Ramseys are the culprits come to our conclusions out of some hate we pulled from nowhere, I actually entirely follow what the evidence tells me. What the prior molestation tells me is no more nor less than someone close to JonBenet, who had enough private access to her before that night to molest her on more than one occasion, was sexually abusing her. The manner and reason I can guess at, using the medical evidence, but guessing doesn't give me proof of whom it was beyond a reasonable doubt.
I will share this with you, hoping that our beloved FFJ poster Cherokee won't mind. She has stated as clear a picture of Patsy's state of mind as I've seen, and we've all followed all the books, article, interviews, and interrogations for 15 years, so this isn't something devised from nothing. Cherokee's take on Patsy's psyche mirrors Shapiro's, as well. Thank you, Cherokee: brilliant.
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Heyya Sabot,
If the tree was in a mauve colored room it wood coordinate, quite lovely?
I haven't seen this writing sample of Oliva's. Perhaps you could provide a link or source so we can make our own comparisons to follow your theory? Aunt Pam told a reporter when Patsy died that Patsy had her "Victory." Does that make Aunt Pam a suspect?
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I found this on one of the other websites......http://www.webbsleuths.com/dcf/jbr_evidence/62.html
I hope the link works. A poster Braveheart compared the handwriting. I may have sent it to J...because I don't know how to post things like that. It was so long ago, who knows? The link on 21. and 28. post shows the handwriting. The first post most likely has Olivia's handwriting, but I have a different computer, and all that shows up is a red X in the box. That's not the complete grievance--it doesn't have the double consonant words on it. I suspect I probably threw it out....along with other things like the rap sheet of a former housekeeper and a particular family member.
Thanks for finding this for us.
I looked at the comparisons Braveheart made and posted at his/her links; the other sample to compare was not showing up for me, either, on the thread itself.
Since Braveheart altered the sample in both comparisons to thicken and thin the letters, that makes it harder to get a true comparison, IMO.
But I'm not expert, at any rate, so all I can say is from the comparisons Braveheart made with the samples used and my own two eyes, I don't see these two documents as being written by the same person.
JMO
Thanks again for finding that.
Perhaps I didn't read Shapiro's article through, but I got the impression that he was blaming her religious inclinations for the murder. I think you're wrong about the DNA not meeting minimum standards for inclusion---especially the last DNA that was found years later. The DNA cannot be discounted...it was found under her nails on some of the spots on her underwear, and along the waistband. It was a problem for the Grand Jury...and Barry Scheck has been silent on it. He wouldn't discount it for his innocence project.
I could have been wrong about the football player...but it was a strong blow with a lot of force behind it, and there were nail marks in her neck from the garrotte. I can't imagine even bad parents murdering a child that way....not to mention the stun gun. There is plenty of exculpatory evidence.
I would say, that if John did indeed participate in the cover-up, that he did a good job. After all, we're still talking about this case today.
A Mauve coloured room? Good God.
Hang on a minute, that would cover up the salpetre stains that keep on coming through on my walls.
Don't you just love The Internet. Now where can I buy mauve house paint?
PS. I think I'll pass on the purple christmas tree. You can have too much of a good thing.