This is very difficult....however, (if DB confessed now...)

[norest4thewicked]

Most here on the missing children's forums know that parents are never allowed to physically search in the beginning - so it would be my guess that they, and I, mean "look" for her. After so many months, they are allowed to search, although I am not positive on the time. I've been on searches with parents, but it was quite a while after the child went missing.

DB said herself they waited until the leads LE already had to die down before going public (Dr. Phil). That makes no sense. You constantly get in front of whatever media will have you and beg for the public to look for your child. Who cares what anyone thinks about you - at least they're THINKING about the case.

They have a benefactor who is obviously filthy rich - why didn't the benefactor hire a private investigator licensed to practice in KC? Why doesn't the one they do have follow up on the REAL leads in the case? Has Tac or Wild Bill talked to the witnesses who saw a man with a baby? No, they haven't. BS was hired, IMO, to protect the family and to do damage control - he's not following leads because he knows they are not going to lead anywhere. It's a joke, a complete and utter joke.

I have always wondered that too. Why would they hire this joke of a PI who can't even practice in MO? Why would they hire this joke of a lawyer who lies to the public even when the public knows he is lying? It makes the whole lot of a mess look even worse than it is. If they truly wanted to find their baby, and they have a filthy rich benefactor, why wouldn't they put their feet down and insist that they have people working for them who would help THEM and not just for the publicity? I honestly think that these two are doing more to hurt their case than they are to help it. If the benefactor really wants to help, why not hire reputable people who aren't jokes?

And, for those who might say that these two are doing their jobs by keeping DB out of jail - just wait for the second chapter. DB hasn't been arrested yet because without a body, LE is being very careful and getting their ducks in a row. I have no doubt in my mind that DB is going to be arrested.

 

[Meri]

I understand why people might want to think DB, or JI, or both, are innocent. We don't want to think that a parent could harm their child. But I don't understand, how in the face of the fact that these parents are not out there looking for their missing child, people could continue to tout their innocence. And I have yet to hear anyone from the pro-DB camp address that.

Am I the only one who doesn't get this??

Where should they look? You mean actually get up every morning, pack a lunch, lots of water, and walk around the streets of the city just...looking?

 

[highflyer]

On the other hand, I DO believe that DB is involved...many of us do...so why is that presumptuous?

I think 4jacy's opening post on this thread is presumptuous because she states that no one believes DB. That is impossible to know unless you are omnipotent.

*Just saw Nurse Beems post. Sorry.

 

[vlpate]

Where should they look? You mean actually get up every morning, pack a lunch, lots of water, and walk around the streets of the city just...looking?

If that's what it takes to find her - her baby's missing, not her dog. I don't think sitting on her bum all day whining about the biased Internet fora is going to bring her home.

 

[krimekat]

however, if DB confessed at this point, I think many people would forgive her. I'm not saying that they would embrace her (I couldn't), but prehaps there is more then we know about DB. DB, I believe you and your people read here, just come forward, please.

No one believes any of your stories, get it off your chest, and have peace, trust me, there is no other way.

Respectfully, what is Deborah confessing to that she hasn't confessed to for months?

:fence: no evidence that DB harmed Pumpkin Pie? None what so ever . . . until LE presents it, there is nothing but speculation.

 

[redheadedgal]

both beth and dave holloway searched all over aruba for natalee... dave even took part in the landfill search.

i'm sure both would've rather found her deceased than lack the closure they still face today. fwiw.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Where should they look? You mean actually get up every morning, pack a lunch, lots of water, and walk around the streets of the city just...looking?

If that's what it takes to find her - her baby's missing, not her dog. I don't think sitting on her bum all day whining about the biased Internet fora is going to bring her home.

I think it's been said that LE discourages the family from participating in formal searches but I think there are plenty of other ways the family could be participating without physically searching for Baby Lisa.

They certainly could be contacting groups to support flyer campaigns. They could organize a drive to print and distribute them. They could certainly be nailing those flyers all over town. They could be contacting every single missing children's organizations to see if there is any help they could contribute or suggest. They could be emailing, calling and writing every PI in their area (and further out) to see if they would be willing to do some pro bono work in their search (especially since the ones they have now don't seem to be effective). They could be appealing to media to keep current pictures of Baby Lisa and her story in the public eye and mind. Most of all, they could be telling LE every single thing they know that led up to the time that LE first appeared at their home.

So when posters say that they're disappointed that the parents/family aren't searching, I have to totally agree. There's a whole lot more than one way to search and I haven't seen evidence that they're making any more than a token effort ~ if even that.

Where is Baby Lisa?

 

[vlpate]

both beth and dave holloway searched all over aruba for natalee... dave even took part in the landfill search.

i'm sure both would've rather found her deceased than lack the closure they still face today. fwiw.

That's Aruba, they also arrest on suspicion. Had this happened in Aruba, DB would probably have been in jail for the past three months.

 

[Whisperer]

Did I just read that statistics AREN'T facts? :waitasec:

 

[vlpate]

Did I just read that statistics AREN'T facts? :waitasec:

Yes.......

 

[Whisperer]

I think the fact the a call from an apparent 'no service' phone attempted a call to someone who just happened to be the GF of a drifter in the neighborhood and has a rap sheet raises questions that go beyond the 'coincidence' stage. Add in the fact that there is no evidence (as we know) that DB/JI knew MW or Jersey and it raises even further questions.

It is my understanding that Jersey had an alibi. If there is no evidence of Jersey being there and if he has an alibi, where do you go from here?

Are people still going on the less than 1% that a stranger came in and took the baby? In many cases, you will not have DNA. The body has long disappeared. So because you don't have DNA, it seems many will say DB is innocent.

She has lied. The dogs didn't bark, she didn't hear anything. Her BF was gone for the first time, cadaver dog and failed poly A baby vanishes. Combine that with no signs of an intruder and you have the only logical conclusion that Lisa probably died in that house at the hands of a parent, friend, relative or neighbor.

This is not rocket science. The odds are heavily on the side of the parent. I will repeat myself. There has to be wiggle room that a psycho, maniac, pedophile took her, HOWEVER, they notoriously don't conceal the victim. I have known of ONE case in thirty-five years. He left the baby in a field and was strolling down the street with blood on his pants.

All other scenarios have been played out. So exactly what are people saying about who took her? What are their theories?

 

[Whisperer]

I think it was 278 cases of reports of baby abduction (under 1 yr). About 95% were parent related. 13 were stranger and 12 were returned. One was dead at the hands of a stranger.

If there is no sign of stranger abduction, how does one believe it was? Because there is no DNA? Is that it? People are holding out hope because there is no blood evidence that we know of? Seldom is.

The reasoning is solid for those that believe DB/JI know what happened to Lisa. It is more difficult to dismiss the clues/behavior and facts, such as cadaver dog, drinking, failing a poly, dogs not barking, combined with the first night of BF gone.

I have no idea about the phone call. I think it is a red herring. I also think that one phone WAS working. She gets around that all the time because no one nails her down. Her explanations are too broad for the questions asked. She shows guilt when she speaks when the transcripts are read. She is defensive, but most of all there is no pleading for her daughter. There is an awful lot of explaining how drinking couldn't make her do that. Lisa gets lost when these two parents are on camera. She speaks of lights, phones, drinking but not much of Lisa. Heck, there aren't even many photos of her at her recent age.

 

[Whisperer]

....and furthermore, WTH? Did I read that it was not possible for her to do this by herself?? You got to be kidding! This is a 30 lb baby. That's less that a large bag of dog food...FPS!

 

[wfgodot]

From the start I've defended the parents who, after all, are not on trial, and, for that matter, haven't even been charged with anything, while, at the same time, admitting the fact that historic percentages tell us - overwhelmingly - that the baby disappeared because of something someone in the home did. The latter does not make me give up the abiding principal of innocence until guilt is proven, but it has allowed for something like logic to prevail in deciding what might have happened that night. But the longer this case goes on without resolution, the more I am thinking that the parents are not only innocent until proven guilty, but are also telling the truth.

 

[ynotdivein]

Ahem.

Forum: Missing

Sub-forum: Lisa Irwin

Thread topic: If DB confessed (what might public response be)

Carry on.

(Where this post falls is random.)

 

[norest4thewicked]

I do believe that if DB confessed at this point, she would be treated just as Casey Anthony was. I don't think that there is anything that could make people have sympathy for her, even if she told the story of Lisa dying in a terrible accident and she was just too terrified to admit it.

 

[wfgodot]

If Lisa Irwin confessed, there would be no understanding or forgiveness, whether the confession was false or true. The public wants its own beliefs validated; it wants its pound of flesh.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

If Lisa Irwin confessed, there would be no understanding or forgiveness, whether the confession was false or true. The public wants its own beliefs validated; it wants its pound of flesh.

I don't think Lisa has anything to confess about :waitasec:

Just messin, I knew what you meant.

 

[Jacie Estes]

To answer a hypothetical with a hypothetical....

If Deborah Bradley is innocent, given the vitriol in the public forum, would she be able to forgive those who have spoken badly of her?

 

[highflyer]

From the start I've defended the parents who, after all, are not on trial, and, for that matter, haven't even been charged with anything, while, at the same time, admitting the fact that historic percentages tell us - overwhelmingly - that the baby disappeared because of something someone in the home did. The latter does not make me give up the abiding principal of innocence until guilt is proven, but it has allowed for something like logic to prevail in deciding what might have happened that night. But the longer this case goes on without resolution, the more I am thinking that the parents are not only innocent until proven guilty, but are also telling the truth.

There is always the presumption of innocence. It is the backbone of our justice system.