TH's cell phone pings

[Billylee]

Would this be a good thread for someone to post a map of cell towers in the area? (If they're available??)

This has been done in the earlier threads several times, I don't have time to look for them now, but they are there.
There's a whole thread dedicated to the cell phone pings IIRC. Sorry I don't have time to bring them up for you.

 

[grayjay]

Good idea, but I believe she showed the person, in the 2nd FM a picture of Kyron. That was her cell phone she took the picture with, wasn't it. That might prove she had her phone with her.

Great point, as is the converse. She could have made that fuss just to show she had A cellphone with her, and that was the whole point of the exercise. Do we actually know the phone the photos are taken from? I could swap with someone and operate that camera just like on my own. :waitasec:

 

[human]

I think LE has some info that indicates that TH was on Sauvie.

I just can't see them spending the time, money and difficulty of searching Sauvie unless they have a pretty good indication that there is a reason to search there.

TH claimed on her FB that they did not have television.

So perhaps she only saw CSI at someone else's house once in awhile?

And if she was incapacitated, perhaps she didn't see CSI very often if she was not truthful about having a television in the home.

She may have thought that turning off her phone did not allow for cellphone pings.

She may also have some kind of tattletale on the truck as well as on her cell phone.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Great point, as is the converse. She could have made that fuss just to show she had A cellphone with her, and that was the whole point of the exercise. Do we actually know the phone the photos are taken from? I could swap with someone and operate that camera just like on my own. :waitasec:

I would be inclined to think that LE would have been able to tell if the picture was taken on Terri's cell phone. If that picture was taken with Terri's cell phone and was not on the phone Terri gave to LE, I would think she would have some splainnin to do.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I think LE has some info that indicates that TH was on Sauvie.

I just can't see them spending the time, money and difficulty of searching Sauvie unless they have a pretty good indication that there is a reason to search there.

TH claimed on her FB that they did not have television.

So perhaps she only saw CSI at someone else's house once in awhile?

And if she was incapacitated, perhaps she didn't see CSI very often if she was not truthful about having a television in the home.

She may have thought that turning off her phone did not allow for cellphone pings.

She may also have some kind of tattletale on the truck as well as on her cell phone.

Kaine's Oct 25th filing with the court said that on nights when Terri was on the couch, he would find babyK up with her watching TV. I'm pretty confident Terri claiming there was no TV in their house, on her facebook account, was just one of her many lies.

 

[kimmera]

I think LE has some info that indicates that TH was on Sauvie.

I just can't see them spending the time, money and difficulty of searching Sauvie unless they have a pretty good indication that there is a reason to search there.

TH claimed on her FB that they did not have television.

So perhaps she only saw CSI at someone else's house once in awhile?

And if she was incapacitated, perhaps she didn't see CSI very often if she was not truthful about having a television in the home.

She may have thought that turning off her phone did not allow for cellphone pings.

She may also have some kind of tattletale on the truck as well as on her cell phone.

BBM~

Terri claimed A LOT of things on Facebook, but if you search for photos online, you will clearly see a very nice size flat screen TV hanging on their wall. Once again, Terri is FOS. MOO.

 

[Emma Peel]

BBM~

Terri claimed A LOT of things on Facebook, but if you search for photos online, you will clearly see a very nice size flat screen TV hanging on their wall. Once again, Terri is FOS. MOO.

wowza, good catch you guys.

the only thing is that I know quite a few families who have TV's (for home theater entertainment - DVD and HULU viewing they can control).

anyway, I'm not quite sure what "having TV" means anymore. But if it means paying for TV access (cable/satellite) ... and Terri meant it in that sense ... well ... then her hi-tech house is like the families that I know who won't subscribe and pay for cable but have DVD & internet access to movies & TV shows that have been previously aired & recorded.

Does that make sense? LOL. :waitasec:

Gosh I'm old. I have no idea how these young people pull this "not TV" stuff off without cable, but ... they do.

Oh great. Am I totally O/T? Sorry Tricia. I hope that qualifies as one of those questions I will not get in any trouble for. :angel:

 

[debirlfan]

Good idea, but I believe she showed the person, in the 2nd FM a picture of Kyron. That was her cell phone she took the picture with, wasn't it. That might prove she had her phone with her.

Good point - I'd forgotten that.

However... If TH were a real mastermind...

Try this scenario. Everything is planned out ahead of time. TH takes a pic of Kyron in front of the exhibit. Goes to store, finds someone she knows at least vaguely and shows them the picture (proving Kyron was at school AND that she has her phone.) She goes back out to the truck where she has an accomplice waiting with a 2nd vehicle. Accomplice takes TH's phone, and heads for the island. TH takes Kyron in the opposite direction, and disposes of him somewhere where she expects his body will be found in a reasonable amount of time. Meets back up with accomplice and retrieves her phone. Goes home to "wait" for Kyron.

Now - if things go according to plan, TH has "proof" she was on the island - and Kyron is found 50 miles away in the other direction. Perfect alibi, all she needs is for her accomplice to keep quiet. Of course, if a body never shows up, it doesn't work.

Not saying it happened that way, but it certainly would be an almost perfect crime.

 

[mmmagique]

wowza, good catch you guys.

the only thing is that I know quite a few families who have TV's (for home theater entertainment - DVD and HULU viewing they can control).

anyway, I'm not quite sure what "having TV" means anymore. But if it means paying for TV access (cable/satellite) ... and Terri meant it in that sense ... well ... then her hi-tech house is like the families that I know who won't subscribe and pay for cable but have DVD & internet access to movies & TV shows that have been previously aired & recorded.

Does that make sense? LOL. :waitasec:

Gosh I'm old. I have no idea how these young people pull this "not TV" stuff off without cable, but ... they do.

Oh great. Am I totally O/T? Sorry Tricia. I hope that qualifies as one of those questions I will not get in any trouble for. :angel:

Terri said something similar to: "none. not a single one" or something like that. She was adamant which is why I found it so odd to see the pictures of the tv and to hear Kaine say that they watched tv in the house.

 

[mmmagique]

Good point - I'd forgotten that.

However... If TH were a real mastermind...

Try this scenario. Everything is planned out ahead of time. TH takes a pic of Kyron in front of the exhibit. Goes to store, finds someone she knows at least vaguely and shows them the picture (proving Kyron was at school AND that she has her phone.) She goes back out to the truck where she has an accomplice waiting with a 2nd vehicle. Accomplice takes TH's phone, and heads for the island. TH takes Kyron in the opposite direction, and disposes of him somewhere where she expects his body will be found in a reasonable amount of time. Meets back up with accomplice and retrieves her phone. Goes home to "wait" for Kyron.

Now - if things go according to plan, TH has "proof" she was on the island - and Kyron is found 50 miles away in the other direction. Perfect alibi, all she needs is for her accomplice to keep quiet. Of course, if a body never shows up, it doesn't work.

Not saying it happened that way, but it certainly would be an almost perfect crime.

It's a good idea but generally the simpler explanations are the truth.
Plus, how long would she have waited to see someone she knew? What if she waited too long and ran out of time?

It's possible this is the one thing she overlooked. If she did this, she had to be in quite an excited state even before she actually "did" whatever it is she may have done. She probably wasn't dumb enough to have a checklist (some criminals are caught for just that very reason!) (would that be an anal bust? *lol*) so she would have been trying to remember a lot of important things at once. (and in fact may have overlooked the significance of her cell phone altogether!)

 

[JLMcKenna83]

This has been done in the earlier threads several times, I don't have time to look for them now, but they are there.
There's a whole thread dedicated to the cell phone pings IIRC. Sorry I don't have time to bring them up for you.

I'm sorry but I think you misunderstood my question. I didn't ask for someone to post the map for me, I asked if it would be a good place to post the map. Since this thread is for clarification and Q&A about the pings, I thought it would be wise to post the map here for easy reference for people who haven't been following the case as closely as others or for people just coming onto the board. Considering posts and maps get buried rather quickly, and Kyrons case has 723 threads as of this posting, I simply thought it would be easier to have them handy, in the beginning of the Clarification and Q&A thread. Just so they would be a little more visible, and possibly keep redundant questions about the location of the towers to a minimum.

 

[loves2bmom]

I would be inclined to think that LE would have been able to tell if the picture was taken on Terri's cell phone. If that picture was taken with Terri's cell phone and was not on the phone Terri gave to LE, I would think she would have some splainnin to do.

I personally think the photos were taken on a digital camera that she pulled out to show AL. The clarity in the pictures don't look like a cell phone pic to me but maybe she had a fancier phone....??

 

[Donjeta]

The fact: The LE people have searched SI quite extensively.


Personal inference:
There must have been something substantial to warrant the searches.

The question: If it was not Terri's cell pings that led them there, what else could it have been?

 

[loves2bmom]

The fact: The LE people have searched SI quite extensively.


Personal inference:
There must have been something substantial to warrant the searches.

The question: If it was not Terri's cell pings that led them there, what else could it have been?

I think they have something more than pings to warrant that kind of searching. It has to be something big but not substantial enough for an immediate arrest. :waitasec:

 

[grandmaj]

Well by now LE would know if the phone that pinged on SI is the same one in which the pictures of Kyron were taken right? And then Terri uploaded the picture from her computer at home right? I'm thinking if the phone pinged on Sauvie as reported, that it is probably Terri who had the phone.

 

[Aedrys]

Yes, and let's remember, she didn't do the batphone thing until she was actually worried about the police investigating her, about the time or shortly before Houze was coming into the picture. I don't think she's as technologically advanced as she's made out to be. I think when the heat was coming, someone else advised her to get batphones and told her about cellphone pings. She didn't seem too worried about it until it became an issue because of the police. I do think that she thought she had this nailed down, but even master criminals make little mistakes that get them caught all the time. It's going to be interesting to see if one cellphone ping is what brings her down.

That, and I watch all sorts of crime shows, every CSI, Forensic Files, and ID Discovery is like my favorite channel. Even I am still learning about cellphone pings and triangulation. I'm not an expert or anything, either, but I just don't think Terri was into it as much as we are on Websleuths, and I don't think Terri watched those shows near as much. I think she said she did because it's cool to be a fan of shows like CSI. I don't think she was taking notes, though. I bet this ping stuff will be her downfall.

 

[SurfieTX]

In the case review files, there's a note in there that the FBI did authenticate the photos of Kyron and that they were taken on June 4, 2010, when she said they were. I think they were probably taken with a digital camera, but I could be wrong.

Also, I think the bat phone plan initiated when DeDe came to stay with her. There are references in the infamous texts about meeting "the girls" about the "plan" for the money. I think she had her group of gals as a very captive audience at that time. She used a "clean phone" on Wednesday. DeDe came to stay with her on Sunday after Kaine left. So, my guess is Monday and Tuesday were spent getting phones and looking for a lawyer.

Having said all that, it makes sense to me that her original cell phone was the one she used on June 4, 2010, and was the origin of the ping.

 

[gliving]

The fact: The LE people have searched SI quite extensively.


Personal inference:
There must have been something substantial to warrant the searches.

The question: If it was not Terri's cell pings that led them there, what else could it have been?

Donjeta, I remember Kaine saying the Sauvie Island searches were because the family spent a lot of time there. HTH.

 

[mmmagique]

I suspect it's more than the fact the family spent a lot of time there.
Just a hunch.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

How many pings were there?cell phone?texts?phone calls?and what times were they?If she planned all this.Why would she ping there knowing LE was going to check her cell phone.Unless to throw someone off.Have them think his body is there at Savie Island when it is somewhere else.Or...someone else threw them off.