TH's cell phone pings

[sarah7855]

Thanks for your post stmarysmead. Perhaps I missed something, but I thought the searchers were volunteers that depended on donations. I don't think they deplete the sheriff's budget. I've not heard from LE about the pings. Maybe I can find a MSM reference today. TIA

Searchers, volunteer or not, must be coordinated by MCSO, which takes time and money.

You are right, puf.

From this article:

A total of 113 search personnel from numerous Washington and Oregon agencies, and including ground crews and searchers using horses and all-terrain vehicles

and, just an interesting point:

In the days after he was reported missing, divers searched the waters around the island and crews searched by helicopter, horse and on foot.
Lindstrand said crews weren’t searching the entire island, but she wouldn't say what specific areas were being covered. Search teams were seen primarily in the central part of the island, west of Northwest Reeder Road. The island is in both Columbia and Multnomah counties and teams covered areas in both.

Also, from this article:

Today's search was scaled back slightly from Saturday's effort which included 100 searchers. Leading the search this weekend are Sgt. Travis Gullberg and Deputy Mark Herron. The county's regular search and rescue coordinator, Sgt. Diana Olsen, was injured in a traffic accident earlier this week.

and

Today's search included 12 organizations from eight Washington and Oregon counties, including Clackamas, Yamhill, Polk, Marion, Deschutes, Wasco and Clark counties. Lindstrand said it was not clear whether search and rescue crews would return to the island next weekend.

Point being, LE is definitely putting time and money into these searches, and there were definitely a few interesting points in those articles. They are thoroughly searching that island, no doubt about it.

 

[gliving]

“It depends on the weather and who we can get,” said Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the sheriff’s office. “Most of the resources on the weekend are volunteers.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/multnomah_county_plans_another.html

"Most all of the searchers were volunteers.

"They all have that mission," said Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokesperson for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. "And that mission is to bring Kyron home. And that's what we are going to do."
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-searchers-comb-Sauvie-Island-104215589.html

"Many of the 113 searchers were volunteers who spread out on horseback, four-wheelers and on foot. Investigators have said little about why they returned to the island, but wanted to make it clear that no new leads led them back to the area."
http://www.kptv.com/news/25266701/detail.html

"SAUVIE ISLAND, Ore. -- Months after eight-year-old Kyron Horman disappeared, more than one hundred volunteers are back on Sauvie Island searching for anything that could lead to some answers."
http://www.ktvl.com/articles/island-1197180-horman-kyron.html

"On foot, horseback and ATV, 15 teams conducted the search in the rain. Most of them are volunteers, giving up their weekends to aid the effort."
KGW.com

"Despite rain, dozens of volunteers showed up again this weekend and dedicated their time to aid in the search."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20019185-504083.html

"On Saturday, 160 search and rescue personnel from multiple jurisdictions combed farms and forest in the rural area. On ATV's, on horseback and with K-9 crews, the mostly-volunteer team said they would not give up until this case is resolved."
http://www.nwcn.com/news/oregon/Kyron-search-may-resume-on-Sauvie-Island-next-weekend-104320514.html

"There are two main funds: a Bank of America contribution account managed by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office and the Kyron Horman Foundation, organized by Kyron's parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, and stepfather Tony Young.

The sheriff's office fund began in June to offset the mounting expenses of the search for the missing boy, said spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand.

A chunk of donations are earmarked for search and rescue expenses, including staff hours, gas and meals. County search efforts are managed by the sheriff's office, but bolstered by nonprofit volunteer crews."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/donations_top_85000_for_kyron.html

 

[Beatrice]

I posted this on the SI searched again thread, but thought I'd repost it over here.


Cell towers for sheltered nook rd:

http://www.towergenie.com/results.a...5995&z=nw sheltered nook rd., portland or&m=5

cell towers for nw reeder rd, island cove market

http://www.towergenie.com/results.a...17233&z=31421 nw reeder rd., portland, or&m=5
Well, when you zoom in this looks exactly like the area they've been searching, huh? So if it's just pings they're working with, they're probably were pings between those two cell towers shown. I guess?

Interesting that the riverview tower is just outside the 5 mile sauvie area, and that's where TH's phone could ping from home.

Island Cove Market is just north of a RV Park...
Just west of a waterway/canal on the OR/WA border
and just south of what appears to be an orange (abandoned?) barn...
Locals: Anyone know of this barn? TIA!

 

[BringKyronHome]

Do all carriers have access to all towers? Would we need to know TMs carrier to know which towers would actually cover her?

 

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,

It seems we have issues with Teri Horman's cell phone pings.

As with every single case we deal with on Websleuths we can only use the information provided to us through media sources to come to logical conclusions.

Here is what we know:

According to main stream media sources Terri Horman has lied about where she was after she left Kyron's school.

According to main stream media sources Teri cell phone pings do not match where she said she was the day Kyron disappeared.

Here is just on main stream media source that covers both of the above mentioned topics.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

We know for a fact that the Sheriff's office has searched, more than once,
Sauvie Island for Kyron.

It is therefore very logical to assume that Terri Horman's cell phone pings could come from Suavie Island.

This may not be the case at all. There may be other reasons why the Sheriff is searching Sauvie Island.

However, if posters wish to make a logical conclusion that this may be why they are searching at this spot then they are certainly allowed to.

In other words if you do not agree with this you don't need to keep asking people over and over for a link showing the pings were on Sauvie Island.

On the other side no one should be posting that it is a fact that the pings came from Sauvie Island. If someone choses to go in another direction with the information that this their choice.

If a new poster asks for proof that the pings came from Sauvie Island just link to this post and don't make it a big deal.

If someone who should know better decides to keep asking for links hit the alert and do not respond.

On the other side if someone argues that YOU are wrong because the pings DID come from Suavie Island and insist it is the solid truth ignore them and hit the alert.

From this point forward let's all agree that we do not have direct evidence that the pings came from Sauvie Island but let those who want to post based on their logical conclusion that the pings came from the island do so without interruption.

On the other side let those who wish to post that they don't believe the pings came from the island because the proof is not solid enough do so without interruption.

In other words, let's agree to disagree and move on.

If you have any questions please post them here.

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[Tricia]

If you guys have any questions please do not be shy. I promise no one will get in trouble for asking OK?

 

[debirlfan]

Just throwing this out there - it's always important to remember that even if the phone was on the island, that doesn't mean that TH was.

For example - TH had plans to dispose of Kyron, and from watching CSI, knows about cell pings. So - suppose one of the other parents she sees at the school that morning goes to the same gym TH goes to, and she knows both the person's vehicle and their schedule. On her way out of the school, she stashes her phone in the back of their car. Later, she sees them at the gym, and sneaks out and retrieves the phone. Presto - cell pings that are no where near where where she actually was that morning - and perhaps no where near where she stashed the body.

 

[Jo in Calif]

The thing to me about the pings is.
While Terri is at the school, her phone will ping at that location.
When Terri drives to the 1st FM her phone would ping at that location. Second FM ping at that location.
If she's driving in the location close to the Gym to get the baby to sleep for a few min (90 min or so) would that be in the location of SI?
I am assuming the SI pings are between the 2nd FM and the gym.
If her phone is pinging at the SI location any time before she went to the gym, why?

 

[pufnstuf]

Here is what Kaine said about Sauvie Island and the phone pings when asked about it at his presser earlier this week:

Based on my understanding just, in general, Sauvie Island is huge. It's bigger than Manhattan Island. You take searchers on foot and you put them out in this big wide-open space and they start grid searching that amount of area--it's going to take a really long time. Uh, we mentioned before when the searches started--you guys asked about them--and the same thing, they'relooking for clues, anything that they can find that will help us discover what happened that day. they're not done, it's a huge area to search. i will imagine at this time the search on sauvie island will continue until they cover all of the area that they can cover or until they find something. i would not be surprised if it continues for the next few months if not longer than that.

When asked about why Sauvie Island:

Um, again, from an investigative standpoint I can't really comment. I think that you guys probably know enough about that to really tell us why they're on Sauvie island, but something to do with the day of his disappearance.

 

[Adrienne37]

There's no doubt in my mind that it was Terri and her cell phone that pinged on SI that day. I feel that Kyron is on that island somewhere and they just haven't found the right place yet. I don't think LE is going to rest until they find him, just like they did in Zahra's case. ~JMO~

 

[Tricia]

There's no doubt in my mind that it was Terri and her cell phone that pinged on SI that day. I feel that Kyron is on that island somewhere and they just haven't found the right place yet. I don't think LE is going to rest until they find him, just like they did in Zahra's case. ~JMO~

Thank you my dear.

I'm going to use your excellent post as an example of what NOT to do.

Adrienne37, please provide a link that shows where it says in the msm or from the sheriff that the pings are from the island? Thank you.

Adrienne37 doesn't have to provide a link because she/he is making a logical assumption based on the information we have.

In my opinion Kaine practically said so but I could be wrong.

Ok, hang for the next example.

 

[Tricia]

Just throwing this out there - it's always important to remember that even if the phone was on the island, that doesn't mean that TH was.

For example - TH had plans to dispose of Kyron, and from watching CSI, knows about cell pings. So - suppose one of the other parents she sees at the school that morning goes to the same gym TH goes to, and she knows both the person's vehicle and their schedule. On her way out of the school, she stashes her phone in the back of their car. Later, she sees them at the gym, and sneaks out and retrieves the phone. Presto - cell pings that are no where near where where she actually was that morning - and perhaps no where near where she stashed the body.

Excellent post. Thank you. No one can say something like this didn't happen

Ok. let me show you an example of what not to do.

Debirlfan, please provide a link that says the pings did not come from the island and came from Terri leaving her phone somewhere else.

Debirlfan doesn't have to provide a link because she/he is making a logical assumption and offering a possible scenario with the cell phone.

This is what I am trying to avoid; members dogging each other. It happens on both sides.

I really like what everyone is saying here. Feel free to keep it going. It helps me understand more about the case.

It's difficult for me to know all the ins and outs of all the cases so when I come upon really interesting threads like this I LOVE IT.

Therefore I can make the logical assumption that others love it too

Love,
Tricia

 

[grandmaj]

WRONG

I don't understand how you make excuse after excuse for Terri. She had the phone on SI IMO how many more ways does it take to convince you? She is a psycho and did something horrible to Kyron. Her actions with the MFH didn't work so she went after Kyron. It proves what kind of :crazy: she is.

I have done 3 things wrong in this post. I personalized the post. I put down another poster for their opinion effectively rendering their opinion worthless. I called names.

Better

I believe that it was Terri on SI because she is the one that was missing after going to the second FM store that day. In light of the cumulative events we have heard about, it makes more sense to me that there is more of a chance that is was Terri than an accomplice.

 

[Adrienne37]

Whew, I thought I was in trouble. ~JMO~

 

[Emma Peel]

sauvie island...
nude beach...
sexting...
PING!
(whoops)
:cow:

(Actually hoping LE's logic is better than mine.)​

 

[debirlfan]

Let me throw another wild idea out there...

We are all assuming that the cell phone pinged on the island during that block of time when she was supposedly driving around with the baby.

What if we're wrong - what if the phone pinged on the island at essentially the same time she was seen in the store and had an alibi?

Setting up such a situation (ie, by having an accomplice take the phone) would be a great way to "muddy the water" and call into question the validity of ANY info they gained from the cell phone.

(The idea of a reasonably intelligent perp who reportedly is a fan of CSI type shows taking a cell phone with her while disposing of a body/handing off a child bothers me. The general thought seems to be this was a pre-planned crime - and that would be a dumb thing to overlook. One would think that she would know the phone could be tracked. That's why I question whether - if TH did do something with Kyron - she might have intentionally used the phone as mis-direction.)

 

[mmmagique]

Let me throw another wild idea out there...

We are all assuming that the cell phone pinged on the island during that block of time when she was supposedly driving around with the baby.

What if we're wrong - what if the phone pinged on the island at essentially the same time she was seen in the store and had an alibi?

Setting up such a situation (ie, by having an accomplice take the phone) would be a great way to "muddy the water" and call into question the validity of ANY info they gained from the cell phone.

(The idea of a reasonably intelligent perp who reportedly is a fan of CSI type shows taking a cell phone with her while disposing of a body/handing off a child bothers me. The general thought seems to be this was a pre-planned crime - and that would be a dumb thing to overlook. One would think that she would know the phone could be tracked. That's why I question whether - if TH did do something with Kyron - she might have intentionally used the phone as mis-direction.)

Perhaps she did. But I'm often surprised at what otherwise deep thinking criminals overlook.
Whenever a suspect says something like "Do you really think if I did it I would be stupid enough to [insert stupid act here]?" I'm usually thinking to myself..."yep."

 

[Jo in Calif]

Let me throw another wild idea out there...

We are all assuming that the cell phone pinged on the island during that block of time when she was supposedly driving around with the baby.

What if we're wrong - what if the phone pinged on the island at essentially the same time she was seen in the store and had an alibi?

Setting up such a situation (ie, by having an accomplice take the phone) would be a great way to "muddy the water" and call into question the validity of ANY info they gained from the cell phone.

(The idea of a reasonably intelligent perp who reportedly is a fan of CSI type shows taking a cell phone with her while disposing of a body/handing off a child bothers me. The general thought seems to be this was a pre-planned crime - and that would be a dumb thing to overlook. One would think that she would know the phone could be tracked. That's why I question whether - if TH did do something with Kyron - she might have intentionally used the phone as mis-direction.)

Good idea, but I believe she showed the person, in the 2nd FM a picture of Kyron. That was her cell phone she took the picture with, wasn't it. That might prove she had her phone with her.

 

[mmmagique]

Good idea, but I believe she showed the person, in the 2nd FM a picture of Kyron. That was her cell phone she took the picture with, wasn't it. That might prove she had her phone with her.

Great point!

 

[JLMcKenna83]

Would this be a good thread for someone to post a map of cell towers in the area? (If they're available??)