Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing.

[suspicious1]

Yep, to the extent that she places herself under the covers while the alleged attack took place. The one thing she hasn't done to protect herself is deny she was at the MH. If she were gone for even part of the evening, she'd be shouting it from the rafters. She was there, all right, and she knows exactly what happened.
As you say, to some extent, she's already pointed the finger at everyone else. So why not tell the whole story? The true story. I can only conclude that the truth will reveal her guilt.

Bessie I just think that Misty is not the one that murdered Haleigh and I don't believe that LE thinks that either...I ran across this video that was taken right after the dock search

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid42757796001?bctid=78372282001

LE states that Misty may not be "THE Key" but she has some key answers..

 

[Emeralgem]

For me, part of Chelsea's interview has a ring of truth; Part of it sounds like she's wingin it (which still may be true, but maybe not rehearsed or well said? IDK)

And above, -- agreed. So much word here, LT.

It's all so sad. Obviously, I feel the most sorrow and grief for the real victim, Haleigh. Next, I feel for Junior. Then, Crystal and Marie et al. But, (wait, let me don my protective headgear) ......

This wont be popular, but... (brace yourself) -- I feel for Misty. Yeah, I said it.

OK, I know she's not an inoocent little pixie, or a Mary Poppins; She won't be canonized any time soon or anything of that nature; but she was a child, legally (and imo, in many other ways as well.) I'm guessing she wanted to leave her family-of-origin's dire straits; Maybe she had an infatuation with an "older man" (cough) and didnt realize that she was jumping out of the frying pan and into the freakin fire until she was ensconced in a situation from which she probably felt was inextricable.

*sigh* I dont know why she covers for Ron unless it's fear, some weird skewed sense of loyalty, or for what passes for "lurve" in her head, or a comination of all of the above. I just dont get it.

moo




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Chelsey stated on Levi the other night Misty has told LE ALL she knows, however they do not want to hear anything pertaining to Ronald Cummings being the one responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh..So what else can she do?

Wanna bet LE will never charge her,Tommy or anyone else eventhough Lewis has already proclaimed in a court of law Tommy is a suspect in this case?
And wanna bet LE in Putnam County will never declare this a cold case either...They can't afford to release any records....No one will ever convice me someone on the inside didn't botch this whole case intentionally...
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if sometime in the near future we are told all evidence pertaining to the case was accidentally shredded ..Either that or the Haleigh room burned down due to faulty wiring...ALL evidence lost..Imagine that..

C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N reigns supreme in Putnam County..
Putnam County is in desperate need of a Buford Pusser... And everyone involved with this investigation needs to be investigated thoroughly by an outside agency..JMHO...

 

[1Chump]

It could be what you're saying I suppose, but her reaction to hearing the chilling tale told by Flo Hollars was far from any visible sign of anger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbuh368z-g

I think something else that Flo Hollars said on the same NG show could very easily be the reason for the hard feelings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-XNMMJ7U4

If you watch in the videos, after Gma Flo tells a story, NG asks her who told her that. As Gma Flo says "Misty" GGma Sykes shakes her head no and smiles then covers it up.

IMO, GGma Sykes said it all that night. She was not angry. She seemed to be laughing that Misty was still too afraid to talk and her head shake said she knew it was not a true story.

 

[1Chump]

Epiph: lol...don't believe that---course, this crew all knew they could walk out of questioning; that goes for Chels and hubby as well as little Misty

I actually do believe this. Because Misty kept going and talking to LE. Misty did not know that she could refuse to talk to them. Misty did not know that she could refuse to even go with them unless they arrested her.

IMO, if she knew she had the right to walk out, then she would have known she had the right to refuse to talk to them.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Dodie, I highly doubt Tommy murdered Haleigh..And personally I want Lewis with the SA's office to back up his claim against Tommy that he made in court... Also, IIRC..In the beginning, the Cummings as well as the Croslins all jumped on the Jo did it theory..ALL hoping they could deflect the truth and would not be implicated...They have all deflected to keep their involvement from being known and the truth from being revealed..
As I see it Chelsey has finally possibly wised up to the fact the Cummings/Neves/Sykes Clan's plan was to make Misty and Tommy the fall guy/gal from the beginning...
Chelsey didn't realize in the beginning Ron and Co. were going to throw Misty and Tommy under the bus when the time was right...Neither did Misty or Tommy..It was a disgusting, pathetic thing for them to do, and it is equally as disgusting and pathetic for Ron and his family to set up Misty and tommy to take the fall for Ronald Cummings.. JMHO..

Em, I totally agree with everything you said. I also believe that LE has known for a while what really happened. But with no body, dna evidence, this is the only way the could have worked it out. I believe they really have some evidence against RC, lies about work hrs, black clothing, etc. and when they ask him to testify in court and he lies, they are gonna throw the book at him. That's why they got the proffer agreement. I truely hope this is what happens.MOO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I listened to the show this morning again. My opinion did not change at all because I have never believed any of them from the beginning. And I certainly do not feel sorry for any of them. They have all lied from the beginning and at little Haleigh's expense. They are all why Haleigh hasn't been found yet and may never be.

Why should I feel sorry for Misty when she has told so many convoluted stories? The truth is the truth - there is no variation to it.

I wouldn't doubt but what Chelsea has had her fair share of drugs in her time. I do not believe a word out of her mouth. She says Misty tells her everything and that she knows how to get information out of Misty. She says she can get information out of Misty not by asking her a question, but by going about it as if she already knows. IMO, Chelsea is feeling a bit too self important right now.

I do think all of the Cummings as well as the Croslins know what happened to little Haleigh and no one wants to tell the truth and let Haleigh be found. I am disgusted with all of them.

I am one of those people who thought from the beginning that Ronald was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance and I have seen nothing to change my mind. And it is just my very strong opinion that Miss Chelsea could tell a whole lot more than she has and is really enjoying telling her different stories.
As for TN and GGS, their actions and words tell me exactly what kind of people they are and I cannot put that into words here.

I wish every single one of them would rat each other out. My sympathy, thoughts, and worry are for Haleigh, the true victim.

Now I am going to give myself a self-imposed T/O!

BBN...Hi La, I agree with all you said. I have said it before and will say it again:
They are ALL a bunch of drama queens, and are loving every minute of the attention they are getting! Everyone of them! form Granny and GGMS all the way down! BBM MOO

 

[bessie]

Bessie I just think that Misty is not the one that murdered Haleigh and I don't believe that LE thinks that either...I ran across this video that was taken right after the dock search

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid42757796001?bctid=78372282001

LE states that Misty may not be "THE Key" but she has some key answers..

I hear ya, Suspicious. I don't think Misty murdered Haleigh, either. My feeling is that Haleigh's death was the result of a terrible accident that Misty lied about from the beginning which led to more lies, and the lies grew until she became so entangled in them she can't find her way out. Believe it or not, I hope I'm wrong because like Kant, I have sympathy for the girl. I would hate to see her go to prison for life. But no matter which way I look at it, she still looks responsible.

As for the video, I remember that statement very well. It gave me pause to consider she might not be as guilty as I believe her to be. But then we heard nothing more from LE. I will say that a few things I've read recently have changed my focus just slightly. And if Misty comes out with a new story, :headache: I'll listen with an open mind. It'll take a lot to make me believe her, but I'll listen.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I just listened to the tape for the first time. Twice. It's a lot to process, and I might have more insight tomorrow. What sticks out in my mind right now are Chelsea's comments in the first 6-8 minutes and her comments near the end. She first says that Misty had little to say. Didn't want to talk over the phone. Chelsea thinks Misty's come clean; said all she can say. Near the end of the interview, Chelsea says that Misty was "giving her stuff" (if not her exact words, something close) about TN and AS, but she (Chelsea) didn't get it (didn't pay attention) because she was trying to ask Misty about Ronald. Well, duh, Chelsea, you should've shut up and listened. I, too, hope that Jane Velez can "pull that tape" because I'm interested in anything Misty has to say after four months of silence. She is "the key", ya know.

That part was interesting to me too Dodie. But I'll bet money that Chelsea did listen. She seems too smart not to listen to everything Misty says. She just doesn't want to tell. Why, I don't know. To me, Chels seems very manipulative. She is a player, and a smart one. What she said makes sense, but why didn't she tell it before now? She is just as sneaky as the others, and is loving all this attention she is getting. Moo

 

[suspicious1]

I actually do believe this. Because Misty kept going and talking to LE. Misty did not know that she could refuse to talk to them. Misty did not know that she could refuse to even go with them unless they arrested her.

IMO, if she knew she had the right to walk out, then she would have known she had the right to refuse to talk to them.

ITA, 1Chump....but one thing for certain.....Ron knew....he refused to talk to LE for months...and he knew there wasn't a damn thing they could do about it....unless they were going to charge him with something.

One thing that I was thinking about was...it looks like Ron hired Shoemaker around July/August.....Ron's custody case had been closed before Ron got with Shoemaker....I read that Shoemaker's trial experience included manslaughter, drug cases, DUI, sexual battery, and robbery...so Ron needed a lawyer with this type of expertise? Drugs, sexual battery, robbery, manslaughter....all of these offenses seem to be elements in this case...imagine that.

I don't know why my mind went there....but it did.

 

[cyberborg]

I hear ya, Suspicious. I don't think Misty murdered Haleigh, either. My feeling is that Haleigh's death was the result of a terrible accident that Misty lied about from the beginning which led to more lies, and the lies grew until she became so entangled in them she can't find her way out. Believe it or not, I hope I'm wrong because like Kant, I have sympathy for the girl. I would hate to see her go to prison for life. But no matter which way I look at it, she still looks responsible.

As for the video, I remember that statement very well. It gave me pause to consider she might not be as guilty as I believe her to be. But then we heard nothing more from LE. I will say that a few things I've read recently have changed my focus just slightly. And if Misty comes out with a new story, :headache: I'll listen with an open mind. It'll take a lot to make me believe her, but I'll listen.

This could be the simple truth. Also that the cover-up was as simple as covering for Ron's drug stash, guns, and addiction.

Misty was convinced NOT to talk or tell the truth because Ron, TN and, GmaS were now involved in the cover-up to protect Ron -- so Misty was mis-informed she'd go to jail for life.

They had thought that this would go away after a few weeks but it spun out of control and became bigger than they ever expected and lasted a lot longer.

Everyone was trapped in their lies because LE would be pi$$ed and they'd go down for various charges, such as obstruction, cover-up/staging, accessory, etc -- if LE believe the original incident that they are not covering for something worse given their track record.

Given the stakes today the expectation might be charges for murder since LE would question why these players have taken it this far and risked so much.

I am hoping that something is breaking because I fear Misty will take the fall.

 

[memeanabby]

:Banane10:

I hear ya, Suspicious. I don't think Misty murdered Haleigh, either. My feeling is that Haleigh's death was the result of a terrible accident that Misty lied about from the beginning which led to more lies, and the lies grew until she became so entangled in them she can't find her way out. Believe it or not, I hope I'm wrong because like Kant, I have sympathy for the girl. I would hate to see her go to prison for life. But no matter which way I look at it, she still looks responsible.

As for the video, I remember that statement very well. It gave me pause to consider she might not be as guilty as I believe her to be. But then we heard nothing more from LE. I will say that a few things I've read recently have changed my focus just slightly. And if Misty comes out with a new story, :headache: I'll listen with an open mind. It'll take a lot to make me believe her, but I'll listen.

My head is absolutly spinning.ITA with all of your and Suspicious excellent post! Well said! Thankyou

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Bessie I just think that Misty is not the one that murdered Haleigh and I don't believe that LE thinks that either...I ran across this video that was taken right after the dock search

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid42757796001?bctid=78372282001

LE states that Misty may not be "THE Key" but she has some key answers..

S1, Thanks for posting this, good find. He said that Misty was there in the spirit of cooperation on her part, which was interesting to me. Also he said that Misty wasn't there because she knows something about the area, but that's not it. "It's a good time to let Misty see the reality of the situation."

 

[justus4all]

Re today's court confrontation tween families-

Chels: i spoke w/patron - none of them (Croslins) said anything; T goes (says) good, he should have gotten longer, or i hope yr daugh goes away cause she's never gonna tell what happened to my daughter---this is what t patron told me...

If I were the LE, I would investigate why TN made this statement....How would TN... KNOW.. Misty would NEVER tell what happened to Haleigh???

How could TN be so sure..of that....that Misty would keep her mouth shut and go to prison for not telling????

By the way, epiphany.....Do you know who is Patron that Chelsea is talking about???...
thanks...moo

 

[dodie20]

Well I guess it is now or never for Misty. I suppose if the DA speaks at her sentencing we will get some grasp if she has finally told the truth or if she continues to throw them half-truths and half-lies in their homicide investigation. If she has finally cooperated, I don't think he will fight what her defense attorney is going to tell the Judge. If not he will counteract with his own argument to the Judge why Misty should not be given a short sentence.

I just cant see him recommending a short prison stint if she continues to hedge on a serious murder investigation. If he is silent and says nothing that pretty much tells me he has washed his hands of Misty and her repeated lies and will leave it strictly up to the Judge to make the decision on sentencing with no input from him.

So it will be interesting to see what the media states happens in the courtroom Friday.

The one thing that continues to bug me though that throughout all of this the one person Misty has protected is herself. It does make me wonder if she has pointed the blame elsewhere because she is very much involved herself.

IMO

after giving it some serious thought, I don't think Misty's been pprotecting herself. I don't think she's necessarily been protecting Ron, at least not for murder, & I'm not sure if she's been actively protecting Tommy. I believe that Misty is of the mindset, that she didn't hurt Haleigh, so it's ok to keep what she does know to herself...because snitching, would cause a lot of problems, for a lot of people. Maybe she doesn't know exactly what happened, & made a point of keeping it that way.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

after giving it some serious thought, I don't think Misty's been protecting herself. I don't think she's necessarily been protecting Ron, at least not for murder, & I'm not sure if she's been actively protecting Tommy. I believe that Misty is of the mindset, that she didn't hurt Haleigh, so it's ok to keep what she does know to herself...because snitching, would cause a lot of problems, for a lot of people. Maybe she doesn't know exactly what happened, & made a point of keeping it that way.

I don't really know dodie. It makes no sense to me that if she didn't know anything at all she would have constantly made up these outlandish stories going on two years now. She simply could have told the truth in the beginning (IF that is the truth) and told LE from the get go she wasn't there or whatever the real truth is and I wholeheartedly believe Misty knows all the truth about what happened that night.

I just don't see how she could callously think it didn't matter to tell the truth even if she didn't hurt Haleigh and I am not convinced that she isn't involved. I think Misty has tried to sell the meek, downtrodden, poor little Misty and I am not sure she is that at all. The one person she has consistently protected and made excuses for is herself, imo.

I don't think it has a thing to do with being a snitch. Imo that is movie drama. Snitches are a dime a dozen in prison. However it is much better to be in prison for drug charges these days than to known as one of the perpetrators or facilitators concerning the death of a little five year old girl.

IMO

 

[dodie20]

I don't really know dodie. It makes no sense to me that if she didn't know anything at all she would have constantly made up these outlandish stories going on two years now. She simply could have told the truth in the beginning (IF that is the truth) and told LE from the get go she wasn't there or whatever the real truth is and I wholeheartedly believe Misty knows all the truth about what happened that night.

I just don't see how she could callously think it didn't matter to tell the truth even if she didn't hurt Haleigh and I am not convinced that she isn't involved. I think Misty has tried to sell the meek, downtrodden, poor little Misty and I am not sure she is that at all. The one person she has consistently protected and made excuses for is herself, imo.

I don't think it has a thing to do with being a snitch. Imo that is movie drama. Snitches are a dime a dozen in prison. However it is much better to be in prison for drug charges these days than to known as one of the perpetrators or facilitators concerning the death of a little five year old girl.

IMO

I don't think she callously thought it didn't matter. Ron was the father, & he wasn't talking, so she probably used that to further justify her actions. It took a deal to get him to unclamp his jaw, but, he is finally talking, so I expect her to follow his lead. I just think all of these people thought it was best for all concerned, to keep quiet. None of them considered justice for Haleigh, & that includes Ron & Misty.

 

[shufly]

[/U]

If I were the LE, I would investigate why TN made this statement....How would TN... KNOW.. Misty would NEVER tell what happened to Haleigh???

How could TN be so sure..of that....that Misty would keep her mouth shut and go to prison for not telling????

i dont' take that statement to mean that she literally knows misty isn't ever going to talk. i take it to mean that since she hasn't talked and it doesn't look like she's going to talk, then TN hopes she at least serves time for something else. either way, as long as misty is in prison, then TN will have some sort of satisfaction.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think she callously thought it didn't matter. Ron was the father, & he wasn't talking, so she probably used that to further justify her actions. It took a deal to get him to unclamp his jaw, but, he is finally talking, so I expect her to follow his lead. I just think all of these people thought it was best for all concerned, to keep quiet. None of them considered justice for Haleigh, & that includes Ron & Misty.

Didn't Ron talked with LE for six months until he told them he had nothing more to tell them? I would think in those many months he told them a lot of information.

I don't think it took a plea deal to get Ron to talk. All attorneys will parlay for a plea deal by offering the DA something. Just the way plea deals go down.

So of course that is what his attorney used to get the plea. It doesn't mean that Ron told them any new information. This plea deal had been in the works for months. He will be a key witness because he knows all of the potential suspects and Ron's testimony is needed for the DA to lay out his case to the jury.

I have no evidence that shows me Ron didn't or doesn't want justice for Haleigh. Evidently if he is going to testify against the ones that harmed Haleigh or worse then he does want justice for his daughter.

If Misty is directly involved I don't expect her to talk except maybe to keep blaming Tommy. It is much better to do a possible 25 years on drug charges than the possibility of life for being a part of a homicide against an innocent child.

IMO

 

[justus4all]

That part was interesting to me too Dodie. But I'll bet money that Chelsea did listen. She seems too smart not to listen to everything Misty says. She just doesn't want to tell. Why, I don't know. To me, Chels seems very manipulative. She is a player, and a smart one. What she said makes sense, but why didn't she tell it before now? She is just as sneaky as the others, and is loving all this attention she is getting. Moo

underlined by me...

Yes, Nonnie Brenda...I believe you are regarding Chelsea hearing Misty.

Chelsea ...IMO...DID listen to Misty...and did hear what ALL she said..

IMO...Chelsea WANTS Misty...to be the one to TELL..

It should come from Misty...not Chelsea...

She is saying..in the media, interviews...MISTY...TELL THE TRUTH ...TELL WHAT YOU KNOW...Our family loves you and will stand behind you..

Chelsea is pleading with her....

Chelsea IMO..does not want to see Misty go to prison..just because she is holding something back...or she is scared..of TN and GMMS.

IMO...the LE knows what they need to hear Misty...SAY..

Chelsea...IMO...is pleading with Misty to SAY IT...and save herself...

IMO...it is one of 2 reasons...IF Misty IS...holding back information

1..Fear of Ron
2. Fear of Ron's family...

IMO...If it is fear of retaliation from Ron...He has probably put the "fear of God" into her with threats, warnings, abusive behavior, "brainwashing" if she talks..

IMO..If it is fear of retaliation from the Cummings family...TN and GMMS have already "shown intent of harm" to the Croslins from Monday's courthouse incident...if she talks..

and getting back to the comment made by Chelsea..that Misty wanted to talk to Chelsea more about TN and GMMS..than to talk about Ron...and I got the impression that Misty was ...(JMO) trying to tell Chelsea that she was afraid of the BOTH of them...what they threatened to do to her family..etc..if she talked..

I got the impression..that TN...GMMS..comments made at the Croslins (Monday..court..after Tommy's hearing...)..was what Misty was referring to...THAT kind of THREATENING behavior ..............and Misty is scared of them...

I hope Chelsea's pleas to Misty...persuades Misty to finally talk...

all in my own opinion..

 

[Nonni Brenda]

underlined by me...

Yes, Nonnie Brenda...I believe you are regarding Chelsea hearing Misty.

Chelsea ...IMO...DID listen to Misty...and did hear what ALL she said..

IMO...Chelsea WANTS Misty...to be the one to TELL..

It should come from Misty...not Chelsea...

She is saying..in the media, interviews...MISTY...TELL THE TRUTH ...TELL WHAT YOU KNOW...Our family loves you and will stand behind you..

Chelsea is pleading with her....

Chelsea IMO..does not want to see Misty go to prison..just because she is holding something back...or she is scared..of TN and GMMS.

IMO...the LE knows what they need to hear Misty...SAY..

Chelsea...IMO...is pleading with Misty to SAY IT...and save herself...

IMO...it is one of 2 reasons...IF Misty IS...holding back information

1..Fear of Ron
2. Fear of Ron's family...

IMO...If it is fear of retaliation from Ron...He has probably put the "fear of God" into her with threats, warnings, abusive behavior, "brainwashing" if she talks..

IMO..If it is fear of retaliation from the Cummings family...TN and GMMS have already "shown intent of harm" to the Croslins from Monday's courthouse incident...if she talks..

and getting back to the comment made by Chelsea..that Misty wanted to talk to Chelsea more about TN and GMMS..than to talk about Ron...and I got the impression that Misty was ...(JMO) trying to tell Chelsea that she was afraid of the BOTH of them...what they threatened to do to her family..etc..if she talked..

I got the impression..that TN...GMMS..comments made at the Croslins (Monday..court..after Tommy's hearing...)..was what Misty was referring to...THAT kind of THREATENING behavior ..............and Misty is scared of them...

I hope Chelsea's pleas to Misty...persuades Misty to finally talk...

all in my own opinion..

I agree with you on everything. Misty has got to wake up! I'm sure she is afraid of all of them. and even if RC is in jail, and TN and GGMS are not convicted of anything , Misty is afraid of what they will do to her and her family.
Misty has lived with this family for a long time. If one of them had pointed a finger (like a gun) at me and said "boom,boom,boom, you're done", that's all it would take to put extreme fear in me. There's no telling what kind of fear they have given her all this time. I pray Misty wises up and tells everything! MOO