GUILTY TN - C.T., 9, Rogersville, 4 May 2016 #2

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Soooo a week later and they NOW have specific credible information that C is in imminent danger of bodily harm or death? What has changed? I mean, of course she's in danger(!!!) but why suddenly new information? Computer forensics?
I don't think that matters. What I've seen alot of here just here at WS alone is a tendency to minimize the danger factor by believing that he's just a father-figure to her, removing her for custody reasons/ camping trip. Here's the thing though- if it really were a custody issue, 1) why not buy her more of normal clothes than one pair of pants? 2) why not take her sister too, and 3) most significant to me- why bail on his wife and son who needs him??? Why not include them?
And as to Steelman's previous question- I don't think his health history would be released to LE due to HIPPA, but even if he had a terminal illness, not sure it would change their strategy much. He's still in major trouble for kidnapping her alone. He had no permission to take her out of school and keep her out, he lied about the reason.
 
maybe he was having an affair (dissapearing for hours at a time). maybe he is closer than everyone is looking. if there is another party involved (knowingly or unknowingly), the van could be parked/garaged. since C is used to being with him it may not even raise red flags to a third party.
 
I haven't read since the beginning, and rarely get on here, but how do we know he set this up in advance? Did I miss something, or are you assuming this to be the case? Are there reports of him stockpiling? I was actually assuming otherwise. He took her to the grocery store, right near where he picked her up, which was risky. I would think he would have purchased these items before getting her, lending me to believe he sort of made an impulsive decision. However, the bathing suit tells me that he knew where he was going to go with her, so I kinda go back/forth.

There have been questions about how much $ he had. I don't think this has been pointed out - he didn't work (as far as I know), but he was caregiver to his disabled son. Parents can be paid as support staff/caregivers through the county/state, so that could b from where he gets income. Additionally, I would assume the son receives SSI benefits. He could have been skimming off of that w/o anyone knowing, especially if he handles his son's finances. He could have more $ than anyone realizes.

It appeared to me that he used a debit card to make his purchases. It looked to me like he entered a PIN. There was some discussion about him using a gift card (no PIN for that) or food stamps cards (do you need a PIN for that)? His son would not qualify for food stamps, living at home, unless the entire family was low-income. Not sure if they are or not.

Has LE explained why they think she's in danger (aside from obvious assumptions)? This could also be put out as a plea for help. I think if he was really trying to protect her, he would've also taken the sister, but ya never know. I'm just saying that it certainly gets the public' attention and wanting to find a missing child, if we think she's at harm. If however, we think her daddy is abusing her (not that I think that), it may more likely keep people from wanting her to be found. I'm not sure why LE wouldn't be a little more specific.

There have been reports that his wife also think she's at harm. Why? If she felt that way, she wouldn't likely have left the girls around him. He wouldn't likely be providing care for their adult son. So.....it seems to me that something just happened (or that she became aware of). I wonder what that could be and why it hasn't been reported. ETA: I think this is the "specific and credible" information spoken of - something the wife discovered. Could be Internet searches too.


BBM. He went to Walmart before he picked her up and bought the high-cut bikini, bikini panties, dark colored nail polish and lip gloss, nightgown, as well as a blanket and a few other items- but these items stand out to me as his fantasies. This is evidence of planning.
 
I watched the videos on youtube from TBI. She seems so normal and not upset at all in the check out line at the grocery. That was a week ago, he's had to surface somewhere since then. Did he buy bug spray? Just curious about what he did buy.
 
BBM. He went to Walmart before he picked her up and bought the high-cut bikini, bikini panties, dark colored nail polish and lip gloss, nightgown, as well as a blanket and a few other items- but these items stand out to me as his fantasies. This is evidence of planning.

Thanks! I did know he was in Walmart before, but I thought he bought these mentioned items when he was with her. I agree with you that they strike as fantasy items. But still, he purchased needed survival items (I saw TP and paper towels) after he ad her with him. It just seems to me that he hadn't been planning this far in advance. Our family camps, and TP is one of the first things I think of lol. I don't think he's up to any good; I just don't get the feeling it was planned long in advance. I think that's important, b/c without a well-thought plan, he's likely going to become desperate more quickly and therefore, make mistakes soon.
 
Regarding the Wal-Mart purchases...I keep thinking about how pink and bright everything is, not exactly ideal to pick the brightest colors if planning to hide out in the woods. That thought alone keeps bringing me back to them primarily being holed up indoors somewhere. Maybe abandoned buildings, near water, 'cause of the swimsuit. JMO

I am terrified for C.


But the pants he bought her were khaki camo, and he bought black ones for him...
 
Possibly what the wife and TBI are talking about being in danger is not in a pedophile way but maybe he has been speaking of suicide?? Maybe he has a mental illness or in a deep depression brought on by the dad being back in the picture and GS has had a hard time if C has been like a daughter to him and now she is getting closer to real dad and GS is not a father figure anymore and it has upset him and he is not thinking right? Just my opinion
 
I think you have put our fears into words but at this time I really hate to 'brand' her with those words when it hasn't been confirmed.

That's just it- we need to find her before he can do this to her, not wait and see and then it be proven that he is a pedophile.
See I'm a victim myself- my biological uncle molested me as a girl, my own family refused to believe me years later when I could finally tell them. It does no good to adopt a pollyanna attitude/ostrich head in the sand and not look at what could possibly happen to this little girl if people don't view his intentions with serious concern. I think that was the whole point of the press conference today.
 
Has there been any mention of him having any weapons, one way or another?

ETA:I realize many things can be weapons. I specifically mean guns.
 
But the pants he bought her were khaki camo, and he bought black ones for him...

Good point.

But the chair, specifically, that seems like it could be easily spotted by air, in the woods etc... if one knew where the heck to look!
 
maybe he was having an affair (dissapearing for hours at a time). maybe he is closer than everyone is looking. if there is another party involved (knowingly or unknowingly), the van could be parked/garaged. since C is used to being with him it may not even raise red flags to a third party.

You locals could be right. When Christopher Dorner was holed up at Big Bear Lake, posters were surmising he fled to Mexico, etc. I know that area and have spent some time there. I knew it was difficult to get off the mountain and that there were plenty of places to hide and get food. I was right- he never left the area.
This could be another Arial Castro situation.
 
Has there been any mention of him having any weapons, one way or another?

ETA:I realize many things can be weapons. I specifically mean guns.

Not that I'm aware of. Also when listening to scanner, there are no warnings to officers when checking out possible vans associated to the amber alert. I think they would caution the officers if they suspected he had a weapon JMO.
 
Has there been any mention of him having any weapons, one way or another?

ETA:I realize many things can be weapons. I specifically mean guns.

I haven't heard anything about what items, if any, he took from home. Like camping gear, guns, ammo, etc. I'd love to know if he's armed.
 
Possibly what the wife and TBI are talking about being in danger is not in a pedophile way but maybe he has been speaking of suicide?? Maybe he has a mental illness or in a deep depression brought on by the dad being back in the picture and GS has had a hard time if C has been like a daughter to him and now she is getting closer to real dad and GS is not a father figure anymore and it has upset him and he is not thinking right? Just my opinion
It could be any and all of the above. He could be planning murder-suicide, or just to end her life after he's had his way with her, or maybe just the sexual attack. That's bad enough. Who knows??? Either way, they need to be found NOW!!!
 
Considering the timeline. He got her out of school at 1:30 and he knew it was only a couple of hours before she was known to be missing. Does that indicate that he didn't take her very far? If he were going to be on the road for a long time he would be concerned about being spotted. I think he's got her somewhere close and familiar to him. Does LE know if he took hunting/fishing gear from his home?
 
Good point.

But the chair, specifically, that seems like it could be easily spotted by air, in the woods etc... if one knew where the heck to look!
Good idea, unless he leaves it in the van. The brand of blanket- Mainstay is exclusive to Walmart. I've purchased other Mainstay items like candles.
 
Has there been any mention of him having any weapons, one way or another?

ETA:I realize many things can be weapons. I specifically mean guns.

The police spokesman said there were no *known* guns.
 
Just thinking out loud here....I wonder what he did that morning before he signed her out of school? Did he follow his normal routine?
 
Possibly what the wife and TBI are talking about being in danger is not in a pedophile way but maybe he has been speaking of suicide?? Maybe he has a mental illness or in a deep depression brought on by the dad being back in the picture and GS has had a hard time if C has been like a daughter to him and now she is getting closer to real dad and GS is not a father figure anymore and it has upset him and he is not thinking right? Just my opinion

Then why buy nail polish, lip gloss, a BIKINI (high cut, no less), and a package of underwear? Why not a teddy bear, books to look at, color books, crayons, music?
 
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