Found Deceased TN - David Riemens, 60, Watertown, 8 Aug 2012

[ZaZara]

Human remains found in Watertown identified as David Riemens

http://www.lebanondemocrat.com/Law-...in-Watertown-identified-as-David-Riemens.html

(Here's another one.)

I really hate to hear this. I didn't believe it, but a big part of me had hoped that he really was just out there, living a dream someplace else. :-(

The more I read and think about this case, the more I feel that it was more personal and hit closer to home than people might think. While I do not believe the N's are involved, I feel that it was VERY likely someone he knew and maybe even trusted. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the "old man" with the project was really just a cover story that David was using for something else and he got caught. (I am not insinuating that David did anything illegal.)

ETA: I want to say that I found it VERY odd when they asked his friend if he'd seen David and he said that he was in Michigan, but that his truck was at DG and that it had been there for a few days. Didn't he wonder why David had left his truck there? Didn't it raise an alarm bells for him, especially since David was supposedly in Michigan? How did he think David got to Michigan?

I read what has been suggested about this on Reddit and I was surprised that this came out of the blue, namely by someone who had a particular experience and projected this on David's case. Well this person may turn out to be right or he may be wrong, but as for now there is no serious source or suspicion.

The other thing - what people say in TV-reports is not the real deal, often it has been highly edited. Words may have been taken out of context, statements may have been snipped, the person interviewed may have been tired or confused.

IMHO the investigation is still pending, it is not known yet how David died nor if he died where he was found, and no POI has been named.

 

[artsy_ann]

David's remains have sadly been found. Glad his family has some closure now. Hopefully now they can catch however did it. Assuming he was murdered, which seems likely. Rest in peace, David.

http://www.lebanondemocrat.com/Law-...in-Watertown-identified-as-David-Riemens.html

 

[MagicMan]

Assuming he was murdered, which seems likely.

While it is possible, First, consider that his home was on a property owned by an M.D. He is a former ER Doctor and, the deputy medical examiner for Wilson County. In an article in the Wilson post several years ago . The Dr. explained that David had some "medical issues" that he never had treated. While he did not elaborate, for the Dr. to have taken note of it seems that they might have been serious issues. He also explained that David had peculiar eating habits and food preferences (Basically, he preferred white foods Potatoes, rice, pasta) If this were the case, his A1C was likely "off the charts" because of a mostly carb diet. Additionally, he was largely colorblind. This could also possibly ibe a symptom of a diabetic condition. The Dr. also noted his endurance had begun to wane, not totally unusual for a 60 year old.

The next thing to consider is where he was found. If his truck had developed an issue and, he decided to hike home, the shortest path for walking home would have been roughly right through the property where he was found. Since he had a n almost phobia about riding with someone else driving, he likely would not have asked for a ride. (or left with anyone)

Just some things to ponder...

 

[ZaZara]

While it is possible, First, consider that his home was on a property owned by an M.D. He is a former ER Doctor and, the deputy medical examiner for Wilson County. In an article in the Wilson post several years ago . The Dr. explained that David had some "medical issues" that he never had treated. While he did not elaborate, for the Dr. to have taken note of it seems that they might have been serious issues. He also explained that David had peculiar eating habits and food preferences (Basically, he preferred white foods Potatoes, rice, pasta) If this were the case, his A1C was likely "off the charts" because of a mostly carb diet. Additionally, he was largely colorblind. This could also possibly ibe a symptom of a diabetic condition. The Dr. also noted his endurance had begun to wane, not totally unusual for a 60 year old.

The next thing to consider is where he was found. If his truck had developed an issue and, he decided to hike home, the shortest path for walking home would have been roughly right through the property where he was found. Since he had a n almost phobia about riding with someone else driving, he likely would not have asked for a ride. (or left with anyone)

Just some things to ponder...

BBM

Do you have a link to for that?

Neither NAMUS not the Charley project mention that David would have been diabetic, nor is it mentioned that he would have experienced weight loss or other symptoms. He did not lead a sedentary life and burned those carbs probably during his work.

Charley Project:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...s+&cd=19&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl&client=firefox-b

At the time of his disappearance, Riemens lived in a tree house he rented on a close friend's farm. He ate meals with his friend's family almost every day. He left behind all his personal belongings, including his Australian Shepherd dog and the luggage he'd packed for an upcoming trip to see his family in Michigan, 538 miles to the north. He had withdrawn several hundred dollars from the bank for his trip. He is childless and had been divorced for over 35 years prior to his disappearance, but remained on good terms with his ex-wife. While he occasionally dated, he wasn't in a serious relationship.

Riemens was close to his family, has no criminal history, and wasn't having any medical issues or problems in his life that might have caused him to disappear. He was, however, described as a "free spirit" who romanticized the "hobo" lifestyle and occasionally dreamed of walking away from his life. His ex-wife doesn't believe he would have left without making arrangements for someone to look after his dog. The circumstances of his disappearance are unclear and his case remains unsolved.

BBM

 

[mtnlites]

I read what has been suggested about this on Reddit and I was surprised that this came out of the blue, namely by someone who had a particular experience and projected this on David's case. Well this person may turn out to be right or he may be wrong, but as for now there is no serious source or suspicion.

The other thing - what people say in TV-reports is not the real deal, often it has been highly edited. Words may have been taken out of context, statements may have been snipped, the person interviewed may have been tired or confused.

IMHO the investigation is still pending, it is not known yet how David died nor if he died where he was found, and no POI has been named.

I don't visit Reddit so I haven't read other theories. I just take what I have read through MSM and what I've watched on various television programs and form my own educated theories based upon that information.

 

[mtnlites]

While it is possible, First, consider that his home was on a property owned by an M.D. He is a former ER Doctor and, the deputy medical examiner for Wilson County. In an article in the Wilson post several years ago . The Dr. explained that David had some "medical issues" that he never had treated. While he did not elaborate, for the Dr. to have taken note of it seems that they might have been serious issues. He also explained that David had peculiar eating habits and food preferences (Basically, he preferred white foods Potatoes, rice, pasta) If this were the case, his A1C was likely "off the charts" because of a mostly carb diet. Additionally, he was largely colorblind. This could also possibly ibe a symptom of a diabetic condition. The Dr. also noted his endurance had begun to wane, not totally unusual for a 60 year old.

The next thing to consider is where he was found. If his truck had developed an issue and, he decided to hike home, the shortest path for walking home would have been roughly right through the property where he was found. Since he had a n almost phobia about riding with someone else driving, he likely would not have asked for a ride. (or left with anyone)

Just some things to ponder...

I've considered the idea that his truck may have had issues and that he began walking home. However, wouldn't this have been determined when they went over the truck? If it had trouble starting, or running, then it seems that would've taken the investigation in a different direction and rather than looking for the "old man with the job" they would've been asking around to see if anyone had seen him walking or if anyone had picked him up.

 

[MagicMan]

This is a six part series written by Ken Beck, a journalist who happens to be a Watertown resident and, knows the area and, the people very well. Lot's of good information here.



https://www.wilsonpost.com/community/missing-david-part-one-of-a-six-part-series/article_f8d8516f-3312-555c-ae01-35e67e6371c0.html

https://www.wilsonpost.com/news/mis...cle_5da26309-5f24-5480-827f-64dceed83aaf.html

https://www.wilsonpost.com/communit...cle_c35ac392-fe60-58a0-8171-b2003502e4ff.html

https://www.wilsonpost.com/communit...cle_c794f188-3b37-5beb-8b53-52b211c7749f.html

https://www.wilsonpost.com/communit...cle_fc69d882-9ff3-5be8-a00f-9f6edbc20cea.html

https://www.wilsonpost.com/communit...cle_81713f8b-f9af-534a-b0a2-fd9042bd5dfa.html

 

[JaimeSommers]

While it is possible, First, consider that his home was on a property owned by an M.D. He is a former ER Doctor and, the deputy medical examiner for Wilson County. In an article in the Wilson post several years ago . The Dr. explained that David had some "medical issues" that he never had treated. While he did not elaborate, for the Dr. to have taken note of it seems that they might have been serious issues. He also explained that David had peculiar eating habits and food preferences (Basically, he preferred white foods Potatoes, rice, pasta) If this were the case, his A1C was likely "off the charts" because of a mostly carb diet. Additionally, he was largely colorblind. This could also possibly ibe a symptom of a diabetic condition. The Dr. also noted his endurance had begun to wane, not totally unusual for a 60 year old.

The next thing to consider is where he was found. If his truck had developed an issue and, he decided to hike home, the shortest path for walking home would have been roughly right through the property where he was found. Since he had a n almost phobia about riding with someone else driving, he likely would not have asked for a ride. (or left with anyone)

Just some things to ponder...

RBBM ... This is where I'm at with David's case, MM. Speculating that he was walking home and had a medical emergency (e.g., heart attack, stroke, abdominal aneurysm). He also could have had a sudden intestinal obstruction, which would have dropped his BP dangerously low. If untreated, it would have been fatal. This happened to me recently and I was within two hours of dying, but was with friends who were able to get me to the hospital in time.

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[AzPistonsGirl]

I live just a few miles from this site and, grew up in this community. I have been following this since the beginning. While I grieve along with the rest of the community at large, I cannot help but wonder how his remains were overlooked during the initial search which included the area where he was found. The area is roughly 2 miles from where he was last seen and, about the same distance to his home. It is a place that is well traveled by younger folks who "party" and hike the area often. I cannot help but believe there is a part of the story that is yet to be revealed by the Sheriff's department.
It is hard to fathom that animal activity (Buzzards) would not have been obvious, as well as the smell. His final resting place was almost visible from highway 70. The discovery brings more questions than answers at the moment.

Welcome. Sadly, we see it here time and time again that remains are found in areas previously searched. It happens a lot, for myriad of reasons. I do not find it suspicious in David's case.

It is a shame there are conspiracy stories and folks wanting this to be something bigger and more sinister than it probably is.

Sorry for you, Mr. Riemens, and for those who loved you and now must live on with the confirmation that you will not.

 

[MagicMan]

My latest intel reveals that, even though this property is directly adjacent to his home, it was never previously searched.

It is a shame there are conspiracy stories and folks wanting this to be something bigger and more sinister than it probably is.

My thoughts as well...

 

[ZaZara]

I've considered the idea that his truck may have had issues and that he began walking home. However, wouldn't this have been determined when they went over the truck? If it had trouble starting, or running, then it seems that would've taken the investigation in a different direction and rather than looking for the "old man with the job" they would've been asking around to see if anyone had seen him walking or if anyone had picked him up.

If his truck has issues, this did not stop David from driving from the job to the parking lot.
On that parking lot, he spoke with a friend and mentioned no issues with the car.

Assuming that the issues happened while the car was parked, what could it possibly have been?

Flat tire, out of gas, low batteries come to mind. Perhaps a cable got loose. None of this was later mentioned, and none of it is a good reason to start walking home.
A tire can be changed on the spot, gas is available in the town, another car is needed to jumpstart the batteries, and a loose cable can be fixed. IMHO people who live in rural areas keep the basics at hand to fix their car in case they get stuck in the woods. I suspect David would have been no different, also because he did not have a cell phone.

Or, looking at this option from a different angle: what would David have had at home that he needed to fix this particular problem with his car and that he could neither find, request or buy near where he was, nor could he make a call to the N's asking them to bring it?

It was said that several pieces of clothing were found. I wonder if they also located his car keys.

:thinking:

 

[cutter99]

RBBM ... This is where I'm at with David's case, MM. Speculating that he was walking home and had a medical emergency (e.g., heart attack, stroke, abdominal aneurysm). He also could have had a sudden intestinal obstruction, which would have dropped his BP dangerously low. If untreated, it would have been fatal. This happened to me recently and I was within two hours of dying, but was with friends who were able to get me to the hospital in time.

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I don’t remember reading about the keys to David’s truck, whether or not they were in it. If David’s keys and wallet, as well as the cash he withdrew from the bank, were found with him, then I would say there is a high likelihood he had a medical event while walking home and passed that way.

 

[cutter99]

My latest intel reveals that, even though this property is directly adjacent to his home, it was never previously searched.



My thoughts as well...

I read on the Facebook page that private properties near where David lived were not searched as the searchers did not have permission from property owners to do so.

 

[cutter99]

If his truck has issues, this did not stop David from driving from the job to the parking lot.
On that parking lot, he spoke with a friend and mentioned no issues with the car.

Assuming that the issues happened while the car was parked, what could it possibly have been?

Flat tire, out of gas, low batteries come to mind. Perhaps a cable got loose. None of this was later mentioned, and none of it is a good reason to start walking home.
A tire can be changed on the spot, gas is available in the town, another car is needed to jumpstart the batteries, and a loose cable can be fixed. IMHO people who live in rural areas keep the basics at hand to fix their car in case they get stuck in the woods. I suspect David would have been no different, also because he did not have a cell phone.

Or, looking at this option from a different angle: what would David have had at home that he needed to fix this particular problem with his car and that he could neither find, request or buy near where he was, nor could he make a call to the N's asking them to bring it?

It was said that several pieces of clothing were found. I wonder if they also located his car keys.

:thinking:

Most who live out in the country are somewhat prepared BUT...

For example, my car is 14 years old, not particularly high miles, and very well maintained. I would not hesitate to drive across the country in it. One late afternoon I decided to run the garbage the dump and go to the closest grocery store to grab a few things. I tell my husband what I am up to and head out. On the way to the dump I realize I left my cell phone on the charger. Get to the grocery store after the dump, get my groceries and get in the car to return home. The car starts, goes about 3 parking spaces and dies, and I can’t get it restarted for the life of me. I am hoping my husband answers his phone after a grocery store employee lets me use their cell phone when I call him to rescue me. Cars ends up being towed as a major module had gone bad with absolutely no forewarning.

Now, had I been closer to home, say 2-3 miles, (I was 8 miles away) I might have tried walking. Pay phones are hard to find these days and what if David called home and no one was around? We know he was very independent, so maybe he walked home thinking he didn’t want to bother anyone to come get him. Maybe he did go with the older man and got out because he didn’t like his driving, and it was closer to walk home than it was to the Dollar General.

Finding him so close to where he lived changes the way we view things. That could be good and that could be bad.

 

[TexasT]

I live just a few miles from this site and, grew up in this community. I have been following this since the beginning. While I grieve along with the rest of the community at large, I cannot help but wonder how his remains were overlooked during the initial search which included the area where he was found. The area is roughly 2 miles from where he was last seen and, about the same distance to his home. It is a place that is well traveled by younger folks who "party" and hike the area often. I cannot help but believe there is a part of the story that is yet to be revealed by the Sheriff's department.
It is hard to fathom that animal activity (Buzzards) would not have been obvious, as well as the smell. His final resting place was almost visible from highway 70. The discovery brings more questions than answers at the moment.

Wow . Especially since they used planes & drones ? Foliage being dead in fall / winter would certainly expose someone more .
How is the road and brush right near where he was ? Other words if he was walking and stuck by a car could someone have panicked, and drug him off the roadway into the field ?


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[ZaZara]

Most who live out in the country are somewhat prepared BUT...

For example, my car is 14 years old, not particularly high miles, and very well maintained. I would not hesitate to drive across the country in it. One late afternoon I decided to run the garbage the dump and go to the closest grocery store to grab a few things. I tell my husband what I am up to and head out. On the way to the dump I realize I left my cell phone on the charger. Get to the grocery store after the dump, get my groceries and get in the car to return home. The car starts, goes about 3 parking spaces and dies, and I can’t get it restarted for the life of me. I am hoping my husband answers his phone after a grocery store employee lets me use their cell phone when I call him to rescue me. Cars ends up being towed as a major module had gone bad with absolutely no forewarning.

Now, had I been closer to home, say 2-3 miles, (I was 8 miles away) I might have tried walking. Pay phones are hard to find these days and what if David called home and no one was around? We know he was very independent, so maybe he walked home thinking he didn’t want to bother anyone to come get him.

Maybe he did go with the older man and got out because he didn’t like his driving, and it was closer to walk home than it was to the Dollar General.

Finding him so close to where he lived changes the way we view things. That could be good and that could be bad.

Hi Cutter, IMHO it is not likely that David would have kept a major module at home. No one was called to tow the car (because apparently nothing was wrong with it) AND David needed that car to visit his family.

So WHAT put him on that road in those woods of it wasn't the car??

Maybe he did go with the older man and got out because he didn’t like his driving, and it was closer to walk home than it was to the Dollar General.

That would be funny .... one more mile and the old man could have dropped him off at his front door .... why didn't he come forward?


I hate the thought that David wasn't found within six days or six weeks but that it took six YEARS because the landowner would not have given permission for the search.

:tantrum:

 

[ZaZara]

From the David Riemens is Missing page:
https://www.facebook.com/David-Riemens-is-Missing-386130021453116/

The bones recovered are definitely those of David Riemens. He was found on a beautiful hillside among trees and large boulders far from a road. We hope to get the forensics report within a couple weeks.

One friend put it the best, " How can you wish for something that you don't really wish for". We have David's bones. All hope is gone of finding him alive.... of seeing his smile again. But we DO have hope that there will be justice for David. PLEASE if you know anything about what happened to David... even if you have reported something in the past...( messages get lost)... you can contact anonymously to any of these:
Wilson County Criminal Investigation Division.
615 443 2839
200 N. Castle Heights ave, Lebanon, TN 37087

Wilson County Sheriffs Dept. 615 444 1412
Wilson County Crime Stoppers 615 444 5245
Both are at 105 E High St, Lebanon, Tn 37087


BBM


He left his job for a meeting with a client, parked his car near the DG, spoke with a friend and was found 5 years later on a beautiful hillside among trees and large boulders far from a road .... how did he end up there?
In one of the comments it is mentioned that there is a small road where cars go up and down or are parked there. By the sound of it, these do not come from the circle of friends of the family.

Drug deals? or innocent hang out spot?

Can't see this as a medical emergency, or a secret meeting place with someone, and it certainly does not fit the description of the place of the Old Man.

If only he had been found sooner ....

 

[cutter99]

These pictures are screen shots of a map that shows the property where David was lived, the first two, and where he was found, the second two. It has been stated by MSM that the body was found in a hilly, wooded section on the property, which puts it far from the road. You can see how they share a property line and how close he was to home. The property David lived on has a long lane leading into it.

The pictures were taken from a public website and I did delete any characteristics that would identify the owners.

 

[ZaZara]

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These pictures are screen shots of a map that shows the property where David was lived, the first two, and where he was found, the second two. It has been stated by MSM that the body was found in a hilly, wooded section on the property, which puts it far from the road. You can see how they share a property line and how close he was to home. The property David lived on has a long lane leading into it.

The pictures were taken from a public website and I did delete any characteristics that would identify the owners.

Hi Cutter, thanks for the pictures.
I am staring at google maps, and on the map it does not make sense to walk home via the section where he was found.
My original impression was that he had been found in an area between the Dollar General and Taylor Road, but this seems to be beyond Taylor Road.

The map is flat and the area is hilly, so there may be more than meets the eye, can you explain a bit?

 

[cutter99]

I have had a bunch of different thoughts going through my mind about all of this since last Friday. I have hesitated to post them out of respect for the loss of David, but I am probably not going to say anything that anyone else hasn’t.

In my mind, the most obvious scenario that fits is that David, for whatever reason, decided to walk home and had a catastrophic medical event, or was hurt and no longer mobile, and not found in time to save him.

If he were murdered, why would someone dump his body there? While it is rural, it is VERY close to where he lived. There are much more rural places locally, where someone would never be found.

There are a couple things that I would think could point you in the direction of David walking home and his death being a medical event or accidental.

He was getting ready to leave for a trip to Michigan. Could he have filled the gas tank in his truck before his trip to Dollar General and had it vapor lock in the August heat? Could he have had a fuel pump issue, where the fuel pump will overheat and not work, but when it cools down it will work? Did he lock his keys in his truck and decide to walk home for a spare set?

If his keys and wallet were found with his remains, I think that would point you in the direction of medical event/ accidental death. If they are not with the remains, it could lead you elsewhere.

There are questions that trouble me. David’s truck was not immediately taken by LE for any type of processing. It actually sat at the Dollar General for an extended period of time until it was moved by friends and family. Did LE not take David’s disappearance seriously as he was an adult with what was labeled as “an off the grid lifestyle”?

It was stated on the Facebook page in the comments about the search that “none of us went searching on private property”. It does not state that they were denied permission, just that they did not search private properties.

I have a very hard time of imagining someone who would deny access to land for a missing person’s search in this area. That is just not how people here are. I have been offered access to more land in this area for either horseback riding or four wheeler riding than imaginable, with the caveats of pull the gate closed behind you, don’t let the cattle out, and don’t tear up ground.

Was a trained SAR group ever utilized? Were LE guided searches conducted?

On a side note, I laid down and took a nap on Sunday afternoon. When I fell asleep, my husband was watching TV in the living room. When I woke up an hour and a half later, he was no where to be found. His wallet and the keys to all vehicles and four wheelers were in his office, and cell phone was in the living room on the arm rest of the recliner he had been sitting in.

I looked around for a note and couldn’t find one. I looked through the whole house and basement, and told myself if he did not reappear by 3 pm (when he would have been gone about 2 hours), I would head out to look for him. He reappeared at about 10 minutes to 3 pm, from feeding cattle with the neighbor. BUT, this incident raised some questions for me. How long do you wait to start looking for someone? Where do you start to look?

Yes, my husband was in trouble. Normally his phone is glued to his hand, and yet he could not tell me why he walked out of the house without it.