TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #1

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Kudzu....that's IT!!!! That must be the road and thank you. Taft or 127/8? The place I landed and was "driving" did show the rock wall, but the other side looked pretty baron at that point. I couldn't tell you exactly where, but landing in other areas showed all houses for the most part.
I guess LE has checked it out....or I hope..anyway. TY.

The W-Road is is tricky but I've driven down it before. It's a switchback, meaning you curve one way then go directly into an opposite turn, and that makes it a quick way down the mountain. I don't recall it being the sort of place where you would go flying off into kudzu, but it's been years and I really wouldn't enjoy driving down again.

ETA: You have to drive very slowly, as I recall. It's like driving down a water slide, LOL. I wouldn't do it in a Jeep or any kind of large vehicle.

The main thing is, if someone wrecked, I think on a Saturday someone would be around on the road and see it happen, or they would hear it happen from nearby homes. Other roads up there, not so much.

Also the W-Road isn't that far from the Wal-Mart, but it's not a direct route while 127 is.
 
Since Gail's sister and brother have been in the media handing out flyers, I am willing to put my money on this statement NOT applying to them. I think the silence is defening from her DH. I can only believe, thanks again to Confused's posts, that this is because he is making sure Signal PD has everything they need from him to move forward.

The last known wearing is bizarre-no question. Clearly her friends and long distance family would have no idea.

So, what was it?

Her brother said they contacted the FBI. That's national. But there's no word on the FBI being involved yet.

The husband hasn't mentioned the FBI or the TBI or anyone else. If he has a private investigator he would probably keep it quiet.
 
At the risk of offending some people, here are my thoughts on yesterday’s Times Free Press article http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/12/missing-womans-husband-seeks-custody-children/ as well as on some of the comments under that article, which may or may not be worth anything. The details in the comments should be easy to prove wrong if they are wrong. I simply suggest they be checked out. Sections in blue are paraphrased from the article and its comments:

First, a comment from a supposed friend, claiming that he locked her out of the accounts instead of the other way around, and that she did not take the things he claimed. The same comment also refers to his drinking and then bragging about the amount of the bar bill, as well as claiming he has cheated on her with a co-worker and even now continues in that relationship. The comment specifically refers to daily calls and texts to this girlfriend.

LE should be able to find evidence of the bill ($1,800) and the calls/texts. And to identify the co-worker if there is one. LE should be able to find the person who posted this as well.

And another comment, supposedly from a different friend, claiming to know for sure that she was not depressed. Also claiming that her paychecks lasted through November 2010 and that she had a job offer in June 2010 before they went on a trip to Italy. Same post says that he would not allow her to take the job and told her she needed to be home with the children. Then an emphatic reference to his supposed alcoholism, lying, cheating, and manipulation.

LE needs to find the person who posted this too.

And from the article itself: I can see in many of the details the CHANCE that he's twisted a truth to make it look like something else. For example:

His statements claiming she is severely mentally ill and has been since losing a job in June 2010 with Novartis. Claims in court records that she was prescribed numerous antidepressants.

It's not uncommon for somebody to be depressed after losing a job, or going through some other crisis. And it's very common to have to try more than one medication before getting it right. Or for some combination to be more effective than a single medication. This allegation could be something or nothing.

He claims also in the court records that she became paranoid recently and began to write license plate numbers to try to figure out who was driving vehicles she thought were following her.

It's a very realistic possibility that this man could have had investigators following her. It appears he has the money to do most anything he wants to do. And IF the man is an abuser (as several of her friends allege), control is the name of the game, and he would want to keep tabs on her. Or to try to find some evidence that SHE is cheating, especially if he is. OR...she may be paranoid. I don't know.

He claims in the court records that when she discovered a used band-aid and change of radio station in her car, she accused him of breaking into her car.

This sounds to me like her discoveries COULD be evidence that he had used her car and had somebody else in it. Like IF he is cheating on her. OR she could be paranoid.

The neighbor adds interesting detail to the April 22 incident that prompted the police call, saying he made false claims to the police, that he told them he needed to use the Jeep to haul a boat to the lake when in fact the boat has been at the lake for 3 years.

That police call still sounds bizarre, but it also sounds like there was more to it than a dispute over who drives what.

And the mention of Mrs. P. having a black eye the weekend of April 10? It’s hard to accept the explanation of running into something, in the face of all the other details of the case.

So, there's what I see and what I think, for what it's worth.
 
The W-Road is is tricky but I've driven down it before. It's a switchback, meaning you curve one way then go directly into an opposite turn, and that makes it a quick way down the mountain. I don't recall it being the sort of place where you would go flying off into kudzu, but it's been years and I really wouldn't enjoy driving down again.

ETA: You have to drive very slowly, as I recall. It's like driving down a water slide, LOL. I wouldn't do it in a Jeep or any kind of large vehicle.

The main thing is, if someone wrecked, I think on a Saturday someone would be around on the road and see it happen, or they would hear it happen from nearby homes. Other roads up there, not so much.

Also the W-Road isn't that far from the Wal-Mart, but it's not a direct route while 127 is.

There are certain parts during the summer, where the side of the mountain on the "w" road is covered completely with kudzu.
 
There are certain parts during the summer, where the side of the mountain on the "w" road is covered completely with kudzu.

I know, but what I'm saying is that when I drove the W-Road I went to slowly to run off the road because of the steep incline, the twists and turns, etc. Someone would have to be speeding and swerve suddenly to go flying off that road, in my opinion.

ETA: Also we have no proof she was ever near the W-Road, and for all I know it might have been closed that day due to electric poles or trees being down from the storms. Anyone know? I'll check on that. Lots of roads were closed after Tornado Day.
 
I drive up and down the W Road everyday and I love it. I also drive a very large SUV and have no problem navigating the switchbacks or any other part. It's a fun drive down... I like to see if I can make it to the bottom of the mountain without using the gas at all (but using the brakes of course). I've been paying attention while on the W and I don't see where someone could go over the edge without leaving some trace.
 
The W-Road is is tricky but I've driven down it before. It's a switchback, meaning you curve one way then go directly into an opposite turn, and that makes it a quick way down the mountain. I don't recall it being the sort of place where you would go flying off into kudzu, but it's been years and I really wouldn't enjoy driving down again.

ETA: You have to drive very slowly, as I recall. It's like driving down a water slide, LOL. I wouldn't do it in a Jeep or any kind of large vehicle.

The main thing is, if someone wrecked, I think on a Saturday someone would be around on the road and see it happen, or they would hear it happen from nearby homes. Other roads up there, not so much.

Also the W-Road isn't that far from the Wal-Mart, but it's not a direct route while 127 is.

Yep, I lived near Blowing Rock, NC at one time and the switchbacks are enough to make you a little queasy or dizzy getting use to....and NOT my friend at all in the winter. Very beautiful, but nerve racking when snow covered and dark. And I had a Mustang at the time...with rear wheel drive.

I tend to think your right...on a Saturday in the Spring, especially after a big storm, people would have been out and about and noticed. Could be a good reason for not typically noticing someone or auto too....preoccupied with clean up and survival mode.

I wasn't on the W Road, but I found it here: [ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&q=W+Road,+Signal+Mountain,+TN&hq=W+Road,&hnear=Signal+Mountain,+Hamilton,+Tennessee&ll=35.116153,-85.327098&spn=0.008144,0.01369&t=h&z=16"]W Road, Signal Mountain, TN - Google Maps[/ame]
 
Whether or not the bank could/would notify him of anything on her account might depend on the laws in that particular state. Some states have different laws then others over what constitutes marital assets. But even if it was a notice they mailed her, I have to admit if my spouse went missing I'd open his bank statement in a heartbeat. What if someone had mugged her or carjacked her and was using her card? Wouldn't he want to know? So even if it was her account and it went down that way, that wouldn't make me think one way or the other.
 
I know, but what I'm saying is that when I drove the W-Road I went to slowly to run off the road because of the steep incline, the twists and turns, etc. Someone would have to be speeding and swerve suddenly to go flying off that road, in my opinion.

ETA: Also we have no proof she was ever near the W-Road, and for all I know it might have been closed that day due to electric poles or trees being down from the storms. Anyone know? I'll check on that. Lots of roads were closed after Tornado Day.


I'm trying to find out too but haven't been able to get in touch with either my sister-n-law or my brother-n-law. I do know they drove to Atlanta on the 28th which was on Thursday and they usually travel the "W" whenever they go up or down the mountain...
They told me they did not have any damage from any of the storms that came through on the 27th and they did not mention the "W" being closed after the storms that came through on the 27th..
 
My daughter just recently filed a change of address with the Post Office and my question is WHY would they notify him in the first place. As I undestand it my daughter's non significant other was not informed of her filling out a form to have all her mail redirected to her present address or am I not understanding something? JMHO.
Thank you, I've been wracking my brain trying to recall if we got something in the mail about it, but none of us remember getting a notification. So that's a strange thing for him to say, especially if the request was supposedly filed on April 30th, the day the woman disappeared, and he received the "notification" on the Wednesday after that. Makes. No. Sense.

But it's just like these allegations of mental problems and the thought that she has gone off by herself before. Yet the police said in the news they could find no history of mental illness, meaning (I presume) no doctor or medication. So can we really trust some of this information? I'm really skeptical at this point.
 
I think the change of address is different depending on how you do it. I only change mine online, so a notification does come in the mail and you have to put $1.00 on a charge card to authenticate.
If you go in the PO, they probably don't make you do that because you can prove who you are with a picture ID. So I would assume there is no notification sent by snailmail.

So, imo if the COA is true, it was done online, not in person. Which I find interesting.
 
I'm trying to find out too but haven't been able to get in touch with either my sister-n-law or my brother-n-law. I do know they drove to Atlanta on the 28th which was on Thursday and they usually travel the "W" whenever they go up or down the mountain...
They told me they did not have any damage from any of the storms that came through on the 27th and they did not mention the "W" being closed after the storms that came through on the 27th..

The storm that hit Red Bank was in the morning, and later was overshadowed by the horrible storms we had out here in the East County (five miles from my house - omg, devastation!). So there's not much news about whether the W-Road was closed that day because all the news shifted to Ringgold and Apison where the F-4 tornado hit, and there were so many trees down the next day all over town that the news channels apparently never made a list of road closings. Most of us didn't have power to watch TV anyway.

But . . . I found a little photo on the Free Press showing an Electric Power Board truck working on the W-Road five days after Gail disappeared, and it mentions that there were trees and power lines down on the road. I'm not surprised that the W-Road wasn't a priority since most people in Ooltewah and E. Brainerd didn't get their power and phone back on for five days or more.

I think the W-Road may have been closed on that Saturday. JMOO

May 6th, 2011
W-Road-TimesFreePressPic.jpg

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/06/only-540-still-left-without-power-around-chattanoo/
 
I think the change of address is different depending on how you do it. I only change mine online, so a notification does come in the mail and you have to put $1.00 on a charge card to authenticate.
If you go in the PO, they probably don't make you do that because you can prove who you are with a picture ID. So I would assume there is no notification sent by snailmail.

So, imo if the COA is true, it was done online, not in person. Which I find interesting.

I've been thinking about the change of address. I know when I moved from Dunlap to Signal, I went to the post office and didn't receive anything in the mail except at the new address.

When I moved from Signal to Missouri, I made the change online. I had to pay $1.00 from a credit/debit card with my name on it to verify who I was. I received a notice in the mail at the old address AND at the new address. Basically, it was just something to confirm that I indeed made the change and if I didn't to contact them.

Basically, anyone could have made the change of address online if they had a debit/credit card with her name on it.
 
I drive up and down the W Road everyday and I love it. I also drive a very large SUV and have no problem navigating the switchbacks or any other part. It's a fun drive down... I like to see if I can make it to the bottom of the mountain without using the gas at all (but using the brakes of course). I've been paying attention while on the W and I don't see where someone could go over the edge without leaving some trace.

You know, as odd as this may sound (and I am very familiar with the swtichbacks of the mountains) I wonder if anyone has checked the truck pullouts? While I don't think that is the case here... I think from a SAR perspective it is worthwhile thinking about. It would definately help to know which direction Gail was headed- up or down. And also- those pullouts are on the opposite side of the guard rails- so on the way up (but going downhill- if that makes any sense to people not familiar with the area...) There are none on the way down, because there is nowhere to pullout.

I wonder if anyone has checked the pullouts for her vehicle? :waitasec:
 
Your link is broken, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say...

Sorry- don't know what went wrong there...it's just the USPS COA form, which is standardized- let me try and fix it...

www.usps.com/moversnet/coa.html

Basically where I was going with that, is that it's unfortunately pretty easy to change someone elses' address for their mail- there is not much to it- except knowing basic info, and a couple (or two) dollars, online. I have no idea if this pertains to this situation with Gail. But it seems worth looking into.

ETA: Sorry Brittbritt! we were writing basically the same thing at the same time- I was just slower!
 
You know, as odd as this may sound (and I am very familiar with the swtichbacks of the mountains) I wonder if anyone has checked the truck pullouts? While I don't think that is the case here... I think from a SAR perspective it is worthwhile thinking about. It would definately help to know which direction Gail was headed- up or down. And also- those pullouts are on the opposite side of the guard rails- so on the way up (but going downhill- if that makes any sense to people not familiar with the area.) There are none on the way down, because there is nowhere to pullout.

I wonder if anyone has checked the pullouts? :waitasec:

If she was coming up on 127, the mountain wall is on the right, and there are only a few pull offs and driveways. I would bet the police checked those first. Going down, there's not much of a place to pull off because it's all guard rail, although further down there might be some, I'm not sure. Since there's basically only one road, surely LE has checked those by now.

Up on top of the mountain it is much more complicated (as I'm sure you can tell from reading this thread, LOL). The highway goes all along the top of Walden's Ridge for miles, and there are ways down the back of the mountain to Dunlap in Sequachie County.

Somebody Driving Down 127 from the top of Signal

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSj4RqQY_3o&feature=related[/ame]

A motorcyclist driving down the north side from Signal to Dunlap (well, almost to Dunlap)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfGDeH8tpQY[/ame]

 
Don't know why I didn't look for this earlier today! The drive down the W-Road. From this you can see what I mean about there being nowhere for her to run off due to rocks and walls, plus you have to go slowly because as the guy in the video says, there is an etiquette to it. As you come down through the hair-pin turns, you look ahead and down to see if someone else is edging upwards towards you. If a jeep were to go over the edge, it would fall on the part of the road below it, and not into the woods.

It's really a dangerous road more fit for a mule than a car.

Down the W-Road from Signal/Walden to Red Bank
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sddwvc1xEI4[/ame]​
 
The last one (I think) ~ Roberts Mill Road:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUA0WiE-eMA[/ame]​
 
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