I keep wondering about this too. Were they taken from her? Were they left unintentionally on the 29th, because of things that were going on? Or, were they left on purpose on the 29th or 30th?
TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #2
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I keep wondering about this too. Were they taken from her? Were they left unintentionally on the 29th, because of things that were going on? Or, were they left on purpose on the 29th or 30th?
"He said he proposed to meet Mrs. Palmgren at the residence on April 30"
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_200931.asp
I'm curious to know the answer to that too. I don't know if it was MP's choice of the the word "proposed" or the reporter's. But, that just seems to me like the idea to meet at the residence was presented and yet not agreed upon by both parties. As though there wasn't a definite answer. Or maybe the idea/request was left via an answering machine, voice mail, text message, email, etc.
When she is found, the only laughing from her friends will be from uncontrollable and intense relief, no matter how angry she may be...but I've never heard Gail raise her voice in anger (not to say she doesn't)...firm, emphatic, no-nonsense, frustrated...but not mad as hell and the fury that implies...
I don't know all you said due to the snipping, but the main problem is that he didn't look for her, let a supposedly crazed woman drive off with his kids, lawyered up with a CD lawyer, made out of context statements on a court order to make his wife look bad, and just implied in a PC he was doing everything possible to find her. ( he would be rolling into bed at midnight exhausted from talking to everyone he could and passing out fliers and on facebook etc....he hired a PI yes, but what is the PI doing exactly...?).
Matt is indeed very smart, but how does he think this makes him look.....how do you even really explain this? These are not smart-"bereaved" husband actions, they seem more like smart "guilty" husband.
Honestly Confused, he's brought all this speculation down upon his own head. I like Matt, and his mom is lovely. I hatewhat's happening and just want to find Gail, because running can't possibly be the resolution to their problems. The people looking for her just want to find her...not to accuse and gossip about Matt. But he makes it so HARD!
If the kids refused to go with Gail, then it can be for so very many reasons...none of them logical...and none meaning they don't want to be with her...been there, so I do know something about this.
Refusing to go, can be a power play to make her stay...and in so much turmoil, home is a huge magnet because home has mom (and dad) in it and until one is gone, they have no way to measure how un-homelike an place can turn out to be....
For Matt to collaborate with the search effort is all it would take...but by now he's managed to spread so much suspicion, it would be very awkward for him to do so...but it truly is "never too late".
Should be on dispatch, I would think. At least the call from Diane to the SMPD.
Were there two calls or just one? I would think both calls would be on dispatch. Didn't MP report her missing also? Does anyone know who called 911 first? Was it MP or Gail's sister, Diane? Do we know?
Does anyone know if they both called the SMPD? If Gail's sister called directly and so did MP then yes there should be two.
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Exactly-sorry if my post was obscure. Did she leave with anything other than her keys and cellphone (TY Oriah for clarifying for me) that she might depend on? I mean she took nothing with her with which she could transact her day to day business other than her cell phone and her keys?
Or am I mistaken?
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Well, this sums it up nicely.
Matt doesnt care what a board of people who discuss MP and crime think...who would when they are in a situation like this? I cant believe with his spare time he is sitting around cataloging comments made about him either here, or in the comment sections of the media.
At least at WS we have very particular rules about posting-in the general media, as we have seen, it is a free for all. *shrug*
Buzz Mills
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It WOULD be on the dispatch log,
but since we don't have access to that,
was hoping that someone would find out from Diane.
That would be much easier than FOIA, that's for sure.
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Well, for what it's worth, someone seems to care what people online say about Matt, even if what is said is relatively benign. I've seen comments trashing Gail, such as the comments left here and here. It could be the usual internet running-at-the-mouth problem that comes up with every topic, or it could be something more concerning.
thank you for that. I have said before, i will be floored if MP really is involved in this in a sinister way, even though I only have met him a few times. I have always liked him, from the time I met him. I too think he is in a tough spot. I DO think there is more he could be doing, and should be doing, like helping with the searches, or posting more flyers, or more televised heart-felt pleas, but that is only MOO, and there may be reasons unbeknownst to us as to WHY he is not. And maybe too much time had past in their marriage where there was any real love involved, I don't know. But she still is the mother of his children, that alone should induce a bit more outward-appearing compassion, if only for their sakes.
I pray for all of them.
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Just wanted to mention... I wouldn't think that it would be for that reason. The taxes in AL when you register a vehicle and get your license is not cheap at all. I have family that lived in Baldwin Co, AL and they always complained that the taxes were so high. In TN however, it only costs about $24 to renew your tags every year and the registration cost is based on the price of the vehicle. I should clarify, this is for Hamilton/Sequatchie Co. Each county is slightly different in cost.
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Agreed. And perhaps, at the end of the day, he is not sad that she is gone. Maybe he is relieved that she is out of his life.
Which does NOT mean he caused it to happen.
But, it still doesnt explain to me why he didnt at least go through the motions...the custody thing still makes no sense whatsoever to me, and I think it was an atty advised thing to position him for a civil divorce action. JMVHO.
I've been thinking a lot about ways to find the jeep. I have Sirius satellite radio in my car. We pay extra for something called Sirius Travel Link. It is an extra feature that can show me weather, accidents along a route I have entered, etc. It also shows me the nearest intersection. I wonder if Sirius also has a way to access that information whether or not she had a subscription. We let our subscription lapse and all I had to do to reconnect it was contact Sirius, make sure my car was not in the garage at a certain time, and they sent the signal to the car. I wonder if Sirius could send a signal to locate the car?
Another thing I have found is that in 2010 the Jeep Rubicon came with the option of UConnect phone and/or Web. It allows you to do the bluetooth calls if she paired her phone with it AND it makes your car a mobile hotspot. Sooo, we don't know if she upgraded to this option. We need to find out because if she did have it, there is a FindMyCar App.
Another thing I have found is that in 2010 the Jeep Rubicon came with the option of UConnect phone and/or Web. It allows you to do the bluetooth calls if she paired her phone with it AND it makes your car a mobile hotspot. Sooo, we don't know if she upgraded to this option. We need to find out because if she did have it, there is a FindMyCar App.
yes, this is driving me crazy! WHAT DO THOSE KIDS KNOW!! I understand not grilling them during this horrible time, but they must know something, and they have surely told their dad. And has he told the LE? 'Cause he hasn't told G's family, correct?
http://genuinechryslerwarranty.com/...ty-to-chrysler-jeep®-and-dodge-consumers.html
www.autonetmobile.com
http://www.autonetmobile.com/apps/apps.html
I would think this is an upgrade that most people would pass up, but there are several options that came on my car that I didn't want or need but they came in a package that was cheaper overall. I bet she didn't have the FindMyCar App but if she did have the UConnect web why couldn't the app be downloaded now?? You download it by setting up an online account. It appears you don't have to have the car to do it! Please please let this be!
www.autonetmobile.com
http://www.autonetmobile.com/apps/apps.html
I would think this is an upgrade that most people would pass up, but there are several options that came on my car that I didn't want or need but they came in a package that was cheaper overall. I bet she didn't have the FindMyCar App but if she did have the UConnect web why couldn't the app be downloaded now?? You download it by setting up an online account. It appears you don't have to have the car to do it! Please please let this be!
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Just FWIW, on this 'Gail was dillusional' thing. This is a common ploy an abuser will use. Turn the tide on the victim. IF all else fails, they say "See what you made me do."
Obviously Gail found out about the other woman as revealed by the neighbor. As there had been recent dv 911 calls answered to the home, it appears to be a matter of a spouse finding out their spouse cheated and trying to deal with the betrayal. I'm am pretty confident there were many more discussions, and most likely angry discussions about his betrayal. It's not beyond believing there were even personal threats and intimidation to get the discussion off the guilty party (meaning the cheater).
I'm not saying the husband did anything, but he COULD have threatened to , which was why Gail was scared and concerned for her safety. She MAY have been followed as backed up by the neighbor who said she DID see a strange car in the neighborhood several times at the time Gail said she was being 'followed.' We don't know the true answer except speculation, at this time.
It's also not unusual for an abuse victim, whether just verbal or physical too, to tell others. We just finished a case where the wife told several people of mental abuse, yet the abuser claimed all those people were lying and he was really a good guy. Course, the wife was permanently silenced, so she was not able to give her first hand statement as to the truth of the matter.
Interesting that several people, between LE (said no evidence of mental problems), friends, neighbors, family of the victim, all say Gail was not mentally unstable yet we're taking the husband's word for it, she was. Of course she was, NOT! imho..............He wants you to believe she was unstable and she is missing because she wants to be gone. It's NOT his fault. Move along, nothing to see here, {poof!} MISSING WITHOUT A TRACE, never to be seen again.
IMHO, LE SHOULD be investigating this as a crime. For although there's no {proof!} there's been foul play here, there's ALSO circumstantial {proof} that there has been foul play and Gail isn't missing because she wants to be.
JMHO
fran
PS...............like they say, "You never know what goes on behind closed doors."
http://verbalabusejournals.com/verbal-abuse-tag-index/crazy-making.php
Verbal Abuse Journal
Abusers accomplish crazy-making in a variety of ways. For example, s/he may say one thing and then swearing they said the opposite or didn't say it at all, "talk the talk" but not walk the walk, claim that you are crazy, unbalanced, forgetful, out to get them, etc.
http://www.justicewomen.com/help_family_law.html
Beware Family Court:What Victims and Advocates Should Know
B. In Family Court an Abuser can Launch Free Ranging Counterattacks against the Victim.
In Criminal Court, Counterattacks by the Abuser Are Forbidden or Tightly Restricted.
It's at that next court date that the abuser so often comes into court fully armed not only to shoot down her accusations, but also to launch his own set of unrestricted accusations against the victim. True or untrue, he piles it on: 'she uses drugs', 'hits the kids', 'neglects the kids', 'drives drunk', 'is crazy', 'won't get a job.' 'works all the time,' 'is mentally ill', "spends the rent money," and whatever other rant comes into his abusive head.
http://www.naffoundation.org/Gaslighting.htm
First stage: abuser-victim gaslighting attempts
They convince the victims that nobody will believe what the victims say about the abusers (often, this is true).
They convince the victims that their intuition and judgment are faulty.
They enlist help from gullible or abusive family members, neighbors, religious peers, and more to convince the victims that they are crazy, delusional and/or mentally ill.
Obviously Gail found out about the other woman as revealed by the neighbor. As there had been recent dv 911 calls answered to the home, it appears to be a matter of a spouse finding out their spouse cheated and trying to deal with the betrayal. I'm am pretty confident there were many more discussions, and most likely angry discussions about his betrayal. It's not beyond believing there were even personal threats and intimidation to get the discussion off the guilty party (meaning the cheater).
I'm not saying the husband did anything, but he COULD have threatened to , which was why Gail was scared and concerned for her safety. She MAY have been followed as backed up by the neighbor who said she DID see a strange car in the neighborhood several times at the time Gail said she was being 'followed.' We don't know the true answer except speculation, at this time.
It's also not unusual for an abuse victim, whether just verbal or physical too, to tell others. We just finished a case where the wife told several people of mental abuse, yet the abuser claimed all those people were lying and he was really a good guy. Course, the wife was permanently silenced, so she was not able to give her first hand statement as to the truth of the matter.
Interesting that several people, between LE (said no evidence of mental problems), friends, neighbors, family of the victim, all say Gail was not mentally unstable yet we're taking the husband's word for it, she was. Of course she was, NOT! imho..............He wants you to believe she was unstable and she is missing because she wants to be gone. It's NOT his fault. Move along, nothing to see here, {poof!} MISSING WITHOUT A TRACE, never to be seen again.
IMHO, LE SHOULD be investigating this as a crime. For although there's no {proof!} there's been foul play here, there's ALSO circumstantial {proof} that there has been foul play and Gail isn't missing because she wants to be.
JMHO
fran
PS...............like they say, "You never know what goes on behind closed doors."
http://verbalabusejournals.com/verbal-abuse-tag-index/crazy-making.php
Verbal Abuse Journal
Abusers accomplish crazy-making in a variety of ways. For example, s/he may say one thing and then swearing they said the opposite or didn't say it at all, "talk the talk" but not walk the walk, claim that you are crazy, unbalanced, forgetful, out to get them, etc.
http://www.justicewomen.com/help_family_law.html
Beware Family Court:What Victims and Advocates Should Know
B. In Family Court an Abuser can Launch Free Ranging Counterattacks against the Victim.
In Criminal Court, Counterattacks by the Abuser Are Forbidden or Tightly Restricted.
It's at that next court date that the abuser so often comes into court fully armed not only to shoot down her accusations, but also to launch his own set of unrestricted accusations against the victim. True or untrue, he piles it on: 'she uses drugs', 'hits the kids', 'neglects the kids', 'drives drunk', 'is crazy', 'won't get a job.' 'works all the time,' 'is mentally ill', "spends the rent money," and whatever other rant comes into his abusive head.
http://www.naffoundation.org/Gaslighting.htm
First stage: abuser-victim gaslighting attempts
They convince the victims that nobody will believe what the victims say about the abusers (often, this is true).
They convince the victims that their intuition and judgment are faulty.
They enlist help from gullible or abusive family members, neighbors, religious peers, and more to convince the victims that they are crazy, delusional and/or mentally ill.
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