TN - RV Explosion, Nashville, 25 Dec 2020 #2

[isabella88]

I’m thinking he had the whole thing set on some type of timer. He took some sleeping pills or something after setting it and was unconscious or even dead when it all detonated.
Just my thoughts.

I've thought about this a lot. What AQW did for all that time after he pulled up and parked. Even to think that he could bear sitting through the 15-minute countdown is hard to believe. But he was there for more than 15 minutes with plenty of time to think.

IIRC, they are now saying there were no gunshots. When I thought that there were, my first thought was that he killed himself before the blast. Doubt we will ever know what drugs were in his system, prescribed or not.

What a horrible person. And his poor dog. All of this is JMO.

 

[Betty P]

IMO, part of the trouble with these situations is that you never know if someone who holds paranoid beliefs will act out. Unless they show it blatantly. But even when there are "red flags" it is still hard for LE to really look into sketchy people because we have certain freedoms.

Part of me wants to be really upset that LE was not more aggressive with Warner when his ex reported his bomb-making activity. But the other part of me worries that people could be harrassed by LE simply because an ex may want to get revenge. * I know it is obvious that Warner's ex was correct in this case and there was much to be concerned about.* JMO

Agree, its difficult to judge people who have mental illness with paranoia. They can be unpredictable when it comes to violent tendencies. I'm just curious whether the people who discuss CT online also discuss taking action against the government or whomever their fevered brains tell them is responsible.

JMO, LE should always err on the side of caution. If a disgruntled former spouse or partner makes an accusation regarding explosives, its easily disproven. Do a search, no explosives, the former partner gets in trouble for making a false report.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Attorney Jim Roberts now represents the former girlfriend in her attempt to claim reward money offered after the bombing.

"She knew that he harbored some animosity toward AT&T for some bizarre reason. He worked there, was familiar with the building and knew what they did there," Roberts said.

Former girlfriend of bombing suspect makes claim for reward money through her new attorney

 

[indicolite22]

Panel will review Metro police’s 2019 response to Nashville bombing suspect’s Antioch home | WKRN News 2

 

[mpnola]

Every time the ex is referred to as having mental problems, it makes me cringe. I do not think she had mental problems. She tried to report something really scary and volunteered to be seen by mental health and was immediately released. Those claims make me feel like those posters have never been in a situation of being stalked, fearful and mentally tortured. The part that makes you seem unstable is that people keep trying to write you off and act like you are over reacting or have "mental problems". It is maddening to know someone is dangerous, to fear for your literal life and then be accused of having mental problems. I won't do it. I think she was brave. I think if he DID show back up giving her a car and she did take it, it was to not make waves. It doesn't mean she wasn't still scared. It means she put herself in a VERY vulnerable position and was left to hang out to dry. She is very very lucky he didnt kill her, after her tip wasn't acted on. I am proud of her. And anyone who hasn't been in a similar situation cannot even possibly understand. She did everything she could and should be commended. Not talked about like she is "less than" with her "mental problems". Probably, her only mental problem has blown himself into 1 million tiny bits. And she has to live with not only being exposed as his ex, but also the ex with mental issues. It actually really make me super mad for her. She doesn't deserve that. She tried to help. And was not wrong!!!!

 

[jansont]

Every time the ex is referred to as having mental problems, it makes me cringe. I do not think she had mental problems. She tried to report something really scary and volunteered to be seen by mental health and was immediately released. Those claims make me feel like those posters have never been in a situation of being stalked, fearful and mentally tortured. The part that makes you seem unstable is that people keep trying to write you off and act like you are over reacting or have "mental problems". It is maddening to know someone is dangerous, to fear for your literal life and then be accused of having mental problems. I won't do it. I think she was brave. I think if he DID show back up giving her a car and she did take it, it was to not make waves. It doesn't mean she wasn't still scared. It means she put herself in a VERY vulnerable position and was left to hang out to dry. She is very very lucky he didnt kill her, after her tip wasn't acted on. I am proud of her. And anyone who hasn't been in a similar situation cannot even possibly understand. She did everything she could and should be commended. Not talked about like she is "less than" with her "mental problems". Probably, her only mental problem has blown himself into 1 million tiny bits. And she has to live with not only being exposed as his ex, but also the ex with mental issues. It actually really make me super mad for her. She doesn't deserve that. She tried to help. And was not wrong!!!!

I completely agree with you. It's very sexist and ableist to dismiss her claims - THAT WERE 100% FOUNDED AND CAME TO FRUITION. My first thought was that she probably agreed to a 5150 because she was afraid for her life and it was a good way to stay safe from him for the night. And also who the hell wouldn't be upset and ~*"hysterical"*~ after being harassed like this and fearing for their own life and the lives of others? It sucks.

 

[indicolite22]

I think the authorities didn't dismiss AQW's girlfriend's claims about his bomb-making. She was taken in for a mental evaluation because she exhibited symptoms of a mental break. Her attorney, who called the police to her house, said that he feared that she was being suicidal. She called him several times before that and was paranoid about AQW stalking her, breaking into her house at night and even poisoning her. The attorney said that he didn't know whether this was true or imagined. It's unknown if the police was called on previous occasions.

AQW bragged to his gf numerous times that he was making bombs, but she did not see it for herself. Her attorney allegedly told police that he did not believe that AQW was actually involved in bomb-making. That said, IMO the police should not have quit trying to contact AQW only after a week.

The attorney: "She believed in all kinds of things. We had no way to know whether or not that was true."

If she was afraid for her life, one would think that she would have wanted to keep the guns, not give them to police. She also rambled about obtaining proof from AQW by luring him to her home and recording him, then shooting him in the leg if necessary. That's not what a person who was afraid of him would do.

Old article: Anthony Quinn Warner's property transfer to woman caused family rift

 

[KonaHonu]

I don’t really understand what people are implying about the connection to the brother. The mom had to sue because AQW fraudulently transferred property belonging to his brother as POA to avoid the appropriate transfer in probate. If brother had children or grandchildren, the property would have transferred to them in probate. If the brother wanted to transfer his property to a friend or relative, he could have done that in a will. But because he died without a will, under the laws of intestate succession, his mother was his heir and she inherits.

Personally I think AQW helped his brother while he was sick and felt he was “entitled” to the house even though the law says his mother was. When they realized the theft in probate and his mom sued, he transferred the property to his friend’s daughter like a lunatic.

The brother transferred the property before he died so intestate succession laws don't apply.

 

[KonaHonu]

I can really see AQW just going off the deep end and thinking these random people, including his friend's daughter, are close personal friends.

Sure, I can see that happening but how would he even know about her if the mother had no contact with AQW for over 40 years?

There are several people in Tennessee with the same or similar name to the brother and at least one has a circumstantial connection to MS. I think that nexs is more likely than one directly connected to AQW.

 

[indicolite22]

The brother transferred the property before he died so intestate succession laws don't apply.

A month before his brother's death, AQW transferred his brother's property to himself because he had power of attorney. That's the transfer their mother was objecting to.

 

[indicolite22]

Sure, I can see that happening but how would he even know about her if the mother had no contact with AQW for over 40 years?

There are several people in Tennessee with the same or similar name to the brother and at least one has a circumstantial connection to MS. I think that nexs is more likely than one directly connected to AQW.

If MS had a connection to AQW's brother and not him, then why didn't AQW transfer his brother's property to MS directly?

 

[cujenn81]

I think the authorities didn't dismiss AQW's girlfriend's claims about his bomb-making. She was taken in for a mental evaluation because she exhibited symptoms of a mental break. Her attorney, who called the police to her house, said that he feared that she was being suicidal. She called him several times before that and was paranoid about AQW stalking her, breaking into her house at night and even poisoning her. The attorney said that he didn't know whether this was true or imagined. It's unknown if the police was called on previous occasions.

AQW bragged to his gf numerous times that he was making bombs, but she did not see it for herself. Her attorney allegedly told police that he did not believe that AQW was actually involved in bomb-making. That said, IMO the police should not have quit trying to contact AQW only after a week.

The attorney: "She believed in all kinds of things. We had no way to know whether or not that was true."

If she was afraid for her life, one would think that she would have wanted to keep the guns, not give them to police. She also rambled about obtaining proof from AQW by luring him to her home and recording him, then shooting him in the leg if necessary. That's not what a person who was afraid of him would do.

Old article: Anthony Quinn Warner's property transfer to woman caused family rift

I assumed the ex wanted the cops to come get the guns because she didn’t want AQW to have access to them. And perhaps she was paranoid about AQW BECAUSE he himself was paranoid and paranoid people behave in scary ways sometimes. Obviously, that much is clear.

 

[Laughing]

Agree, its difficult to judge people who have mental illness with paranoia. They can be unpredictable when it comes to violent tendencies. I'm just curious whether the people who discuss CT online also discuss taking action against the government or whomever their fevered brains tell them is responsible.

JMO, LE should always err on the side of caution. If a disgruntled former spouse or partner makes an accusation regarding explosives, its easily disproven. Do a search, no explosives, the former partner gets in trouble for making a false report.

Quoting TV characters isn't usually productive, but in the Manhattan Vigil episode of Law and Order SUV, a person in the neighbor who is possibly mentally ill discusses his theory linking a decades-long series of crimes together. Some team members are ready to ignore this person's gathered information, due to the perceived mental illness.

Detective Amanda Rollins defends the person, saying something like "just because he's crazy doesn't mean he's wrong."

Of course, he's right!

And now we all know that this person was right about AQW.


ETA: improve grammar

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[KonaHonu]

If MS had a connection to AQW's brother and not him, then why didn't AQW transfer his brother's property to MS directly?

I can speculate many reasons but can't say for certain. Two examples:
- If she is SW's daughter it could be a secret from her mother's husband. Or perhaps not a secret from him but something they did not want to get out.
- There might have been a need for a "straw man" for reasons peculiar to Tennessee law.

What we know is that AQW singled her out, of all his past aquaintenances' children to receive sizable gifts. To me that indicates a clear connection that goes beyond the current public explanation. Understanding that relationship could potentionally help explain AQW's motivations and timing. Or maybe not. I don't in any way think MS had any involvement or foreknowledge of what AQW did. But there very clearly was a strong connection with someone and I find it hard to believe it was with AQW if they had never even met in person.

 

[mommylicious]

I can speculate many reasons but can't say for certain. Two examples:
- If she is SW's daughter it could be a secret from her mother's husband. Or perhaps not a secret from him but something they did not want to get out.
- There might have been a need for a "straw man" for reasons peculiar to Tennessee law.

What we know is that AQW singled her out, of all his past aquaintenances' children to receive sizable gifts. To me that indicates a clear connection that goes beyond the current public explanation. Understanding that relationship could potentionally help explain AQW's motivations and timing. Or maybe not. I don't in any way think MS had any involvement or foreknowledge of what AQW did. But there very clearly was a strong connection with someone and I find it hard to believe it was with AQW if they had never even met in person.

Given some of AQW's beliefs, we may be looking for a connection that existed only in his mind.

 

[KonaHonu]

Given some of AQW's beliefs, we may be looking for a connection that existed only in his mind.

Possibly. He clearly was a whacko. But there is a connection. MS's mother confirmed it. The mother and AQW knew each other decades ago. Obviously it is possible AQW never let it go and was obsessed. But something tell me there is a connection through the brother.

 

[Shelbycobrat]

Just an observation:
The posted hazmat sign indicates the 'bomb' (exactly like the one you describe) was already there...


See: Google Maps @ 172 2nd Ave N. Nashville:

(yes, the very front of the AT&T building is blurred, but scoot just to your left, above the head of the person on the street).
I can't be the only person who has seen this. Why is is not part of the "investigation?"

Quote from the article:

This small crater is consistent with an explosive device of low destructive power like a volatile gas but not a liquid, which burns, rather than explosively detonates, when ignited.

According to the article, the condition of the RV wreckage also points to a gas explosion rather than a high explosive detonation. In the latter case the vehicle would have been blown up into the air and its parts would have been more scattered.

RV frame wreckage:

 

[mpnola]

I think the authorities didn't dismiss AQW's girlfriend's claims about his bomb-making. She was taken in for a mental evaluation because she exhibited symptoms of a mental break. Her attorney, who called the police to her house, said that he feared that she was being suicidal. She called him several times before that and was paranoid about AQW stalking her, breaking into her house at night and even poisoning her. The attorney said that he didn't know whether this was true or imagined. It's unknown if the police was called on previous occasions.

AQW bragged to his gf numerous times that he was making bombs, but she did not see it for herself. Her attorney allegedly told police that he did not believe that AQW was actually involved in bomb-making. That said, IMO the police should not have quit trying to contact AQW only after a week.

The attorney: "She believed in all kinds of things. We had no way to know whether or not that was true."

If she was afraid for her life, one would think that she would have wanted to keep the guns, not give them to police. She also rambled about obtaining proof from AQW by luring him to her home and recording him, then shooting him in the leg if necessary. That's not what a person who was afraid of him would do.

Old article: Anthony Quinn Warner's property transfer to woman caused family rift

Yes. That is what a scared person does. She was scared for herself, but terrified that many lives would be lost and she didn't stop it. She was willing to put herself in harms way to prove it was true and stop it. Im not sure how she is being scrutinized by a few sentences in an article. He was the monster. She tried to tell people.

 

[indicolite22]

Yes. That is what a scared person does. She was scared for herself, but terrified that many lives would be lost and she didn't stop it. She was willing to put herself in harms way to prove it was true and stop it. Im not sure how she is being scrutinized by a few sentences in an article. He was the monster. She tried to tell people.

I pointed out that not even her attorney was sure if she was speaking the truth or was being paranoid (about the bomb as well as about being threatened). But the police did act on her tip. They just didn't follow through. IMO the reasons were partly because her attorney did not fully back her up and (according to police) later even acted as a barrier (which he now denies), and partly because the FBI did not find anything suspicious in AQW's past (apart from a drug charge in his youth). Societal bias might have also played a part (white guy with no prior history).

 

[indicolite22]

What we know is that AQW singled her out, of all his past aquaintenances' children to receive sizable gifts. To me that indicates a clear connection that goes beyond the current public explanation. Understanding that relationship could potentionally help explain AQW's motivations and timing. Or maybe not. I don't in any way think MS had any involvement or foreknowledge of what AQW did. But there very clearly was a strong connection with someone and I find it hard to believe it was with AQW if they had never even met in person.

BBM. She did meet him once (in addition to speaking to him recently), according to her:

S—a graduate of the University of Tennessee, according to the local NBC affiliate—says she had spoken to Warner a week before Thanksgiving and that she has only met him in person once, but declined to discuss what connection they share, saying, “I’ve been told to direct everything else to FBI.”

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